Gnosticism

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Gnosticism and it's influence in the entertainment industry and the modern church. The new age religion is actually just repackaged Gnosticism. Gnosticism is a dangerous heresy that is a counterfeit and deceives people into lies. Gnostics are not Christians or Christ followers! Please repent. Noah Hines Deliverance Ministry
 

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Gnosticism and it's influence in the entertainment industry and the modern church. The new age religion is actually just repackaged Gnosticism. Gnosticism is a dangerous heresy that is a counterfeit and deceives people into lies. Gnostics are not Christians or Christ followers! Please repent. Noah Hines Deliverance Ministry
Unqualified opinion.

Dangerous?

Why?

We do not use inquisitions and jihads, are not pushing homophobia and misogyny like Christians do, and that makes us morally better than Christians.

If you do you fear with the truth, flesh out your poor bone and come on down.

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DL
 

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Gnosticism and it's influence in the entertainment industry and the modern church. The new age religion is actually just repackaged Gnosticism. Gnosticism is a dangerous heresy that is a counterfeit and deceives people into lies. Gnostics are not Christians or Christ followers! Please repent. Noah Hines Deliverance Ministry
Your author has not separated our beliefs from our myth.

Here is one example of this.

Let me speak to the lie of Gnostic Christians hating matter.

I wrote this to refute the false notion that Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality that the inquisitors propagated to justify their many murders of my religion’s originators. It shows that Christians should actually hate matter and not Gnostic Christians.

The Christian reality.

1 John 2:15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Gen 3; 17 Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.
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The Gnostic Christian reality.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.

[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.

Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.

But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.

If not just a troll, come and learn of Gnostic Christianity.

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DL
 

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What Are the Gnostic Gospels?​

One of the most substantial challenges to early Christianity was the movement known as Gnosticism, whose amorphous and syncretistic nature was very appealing to all kinds of audiences. There were a few commonly held beliefs by the Gnostics:
  • A spirit-matter dualism where all materiality was considered evil
  • A convoluted system of myriads of divine spirits populating the many spheres of the heavenly realm
  • The human need for salvation from the evil of materiality
  • The belief that salvation came through the receiving of a secret "gnosis" or knowledge
Gnosticism became a more significant threat to the early church when a movement developed that combined Gnostic beliefs with Christian beliefs. These are the very beginnings of the Gnostic Gospels as we know them today.
A variegated "Christian-Gnostic" movement gained strength in the second century. They held to a strong dualism of spirit versus matter, with high regard for the "spiritual" reality. They were uncomfortable with the belief that Jesus had a human body subject to human weaknesses and offered other theories such as Jesus appearing to have a body or having a supernatural body. They held Jesus in high contrast to Yahweh, who was thought to be an inferior and even immoral deity. To them, salvation was liberation from slavery to the body and the material world. They believed that they possessed the secret saving knowledge or information that Jesus had given to the apostles. A Christian-Gnostic body of literature appeared, the Gnostic Gospels. They claimed these Gospels had apostolic authorship including Peter, Phillip, Thomas and Judas.

Why Are the Gnostic Gospels Not in the Bible?​

The recent discovery of part of the Gospel of Judas has sparked a renewed debate concerning the so-called Gnostic Gospels. Many are confused when reading of the existence of a Gospel from Judas. Is this an authentic Gospel written by the disciple of Jesus? What about other Gospels, such as the Gospel of Thomas? Can we trust the Gospels in the Bible?
N.T. Wright, a respected authority in the New Testament, has distinguished four main differences between the biblical or canonical Gospels and the Gnostic Gospels. Wright listed and explained these four differences in his little book “Judas and the Gospel of Jesus” (2006, pp.68-83)). The four essential differences between the Canonical Gospels and Gnostic Gospels, according to N.T. Wright are:*
  1. The biblical Gospels affirm Jesus as the continuation and climax of God’s redemptive history with Israel. They recount how the long history of God’s work through Israel came to its climax with the person of Jesus. Contrarily, the Gnostic Gospels completely detached Jesus from Israel and the history of Israel with God. The God of the Old Testament, as described by the Gnostic Gospels, categorize him as evil and Judaism as totally lost. The Gnostics Gospels saw no connection between Jesus and the nation of Israel and the acts of God in the Old Testament. These reasons may be the biggest reasons why the Gnostic Gospels are not in the Bible.
  2. The biblical Gospels told the story of Jesus in connection with the life of the early followers of Jesus to show all Christians a plan to follow as they followed Jesus. In a very different way, the Gnostic Gospels put Jesus in the position of giving a secret knowledge (a “gnosis”) to some of his original disciples (the “Gnostic disciples”) to pass it along to others in a secret way. The belief in a secret message by the Gnostic Christians was implicitly a rejection of the “mainstream” Christian church and Christians and their open message to the world.
  3. The biblical or canonical Gospels, in presenting the story of Jesus, proclaimed that in Jesus God had manifested and launched his kingdom on Earth (as it was in heaven). In a contrary way, the Gnostic Gospels rejected this idea of the kingdom of God at work on Earth in Jesus. The Jesus of the Gnostic Gospels was not interested in this world; he was mostly interested in fleeing from his earthly body and returning to the spirit world.
  4. The Gospels of the Bible were written in the first century (around AD 70-90). On the other hand, the Gnostic Gospels were written in the second century AD: “The canonical gospels were being read and quoted as carrying authority in the early and middle second century, whereas we do not even hear of the non-canonical ones until the middle or end of that century” (Wright, 2006, p.77).

Are the Gnostic Gospels Reliable?​

These four essential differences between the canonical or biblical Gospels and the Gnostic Gospels are a clear indication that the Gnostic Gospels are not authentically apostolic in their authorship, message and frame of time. The Gnostic Gospels are not reliable sources for the life and teachings of Jesus.
References
*Wright, N. T. (2006) Judas and the Gospel of Jesus: Have we missed the truth about Christianity? Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books


 
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A spirit-matter dualism where all materiality was considered evil
Let me see if you can take correction in the spirit in which it is given, even if poorly written.

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Let me speak to the lie of Gnostic Christians hating matter.

I wrote this to refute the false notion that Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality that the inquisitors propagated to justify their many murders of my religion’s originators. It shows that Christians should actually hate matter and not Gnostic Christians.

The Christian reality.

1 John 2:15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Gen 3; 17 Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.

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The Gnostic Christian reality.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.

[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.

Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.

But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.

Shinto

IOW's we love the matter that houses our minds which are the connection to God.

Who is God to a Gnostic Christian, I am, and we do mean ourselves as free thinkers.

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DL
 

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A convoluted system of myriads of divine spirits populating the many spheres of the heavenly realm
This speaks to our myths, which we wrote to put against the Christian myth.

We do not read our myths literally, neither should Christians.

There is and can be no supernatural belief in a creed that only speaks of what can be known.

God is to always be a mystery, otherwise it is just more idol worship of unworthy immoral Gods.

We follow the older and better thinking.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.


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The human need for salvation from the evil of materiality
Look at what we are doing to our environment.

Who is more evil against our material environment more than humans?

That aside, here is the salvation Jesus offered and not the immoral messiah concept.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Note that there is nothing supernatural about Jesus' saving our thinking by having us grow up and put away the things of children.

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The belief that salvation came through the receiving of a secret "gnosis" or knowledge
All mystery schools and religions say such foolishness.

Secrets are hidden. Knowledge is not.

Especially Gnosis, as that is within yourself, so how can it be hidden?

It is just that most do not bother looking.

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Bottom line.

Ask a Gnostic Christians what he believes, because the history was written by the inquisitors, who were trying to justify what could not be justified. Mass murder.

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The Bible vs. Nag Hammadi Gnostic Gospels | Part 2​



In this video the eminent scholar Dr. Michael Heiser discusses why the New Testament writings we have in the Bible are earlier, more authoritative, more historical and more recognized by early Christianity than any of the Gnostic Gospels found at Nag Hammadi.
 

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The Bible vs. Nag Hammadi Gnostic Gospels | Part 2​



In this video the eminent scholar Dr. Michael Heiser discusses why the New Testament writings we have in the Bible are earlier, more authoritative, more historical and more recognized by early Christianity than any of the Gnostic Gospels found at Nag Hammadi.
How can one give more authority to unknown authors?

How can one give more authority to a book that says there are real talking serpents and donkeys?

That aside, I don't care about such stupid supernatural arguments.

They do not have an end game.

I argue morals.

Christianity does not have decent morals and that is why they do not do apologetics for their vile version of God.

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The Bible vs. Nag Hammadi Gnostic Gospels | Part 2​



In this video the eminent scholar Dr. Michael Heiser discusses why the New Testament writings we have in the Bible are earlier, more authoritative, more historical and more recognized by early Christianity than any of the Gnostic Gospels found at Nag Hammadi.
Do you know why there are only 4 gospels?

Because their are 4 cardinal points.

How stupid is that?

As to authority, over all.
It would be foolish to give authority to a book of fiction.

Especially one that shows a God with such poor morals.

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DL
 

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Do you know why there are only 4 gospels?

Because their are 4 cardinal points.

How stupid is that?

As to authority, over all.
It would be foolish to give authority to a book of fiction.

Especially one that shows a God with such poor morals.

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DL

dude it's obvious you know NOTHING about world religions including Christianity i bet you didn't bother watching the video and look for the books listed which have tons of evidence showing the gnostic gospels appeared 200-300 after the events of Jesus. the 4 gospels have NOTHING to do with cardinal points

since you can't bother to watch the video here is some screenshots


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