Given the level of toxins present in their natural foods now, that was almost inevitable. The problem is that the toxins will be present in their purchased foods as well.
Global warming 'past the point of no return'
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Given the level of toxins present in their natural foods now, that was almost inevitable. The problem is that the toxins will be present in their purchased foods as well.
Reverend Blair said:
The price however is more worrysome. It's cheaper to buy bullets rather than shop at the store. If this trend continues and they have less access to the local food chain due to scarcity, we'll probably be seeing humanitarian food drives going up north like they do in places like Africa as many northerners won't be able to afford storebought food.
RE: Global warming 'past
That's going to be a growing problem in coming years, Jo. Those who have little or no contact with remote communities really don't understand it either...it's just completely removed from their reality.
That's going to be a growing problem in coming years, Jo. Those who have little or no contact with remote communities really don't understand it either...it's just completely removed from their reality.
Re: RE: Global warming 'past
Yep, and unlike Africa they won't be able to turn their TV's off to avoid the reality, because any refugees from those communities will be moving in next door...and they probably won't be very happy.
Reverend Blair said:
Yep, and unlike Africa they won't be able to turn their TV's off to avoid the reality, because any refugees from those communities will be moving in next door...and they probably won't be very happy.
RE: Global warming 'past
Oh, we'll be getting lots of environmental refugees. Not just from our own north either...between sea level rises and desertification, there are going to be a lot of people looking for someplace to live.
Oh, we'll be getting lots of environmental refugees. Not just from our own north either...between sea level rises and desertification, there are going to be a lot of people looking for someplace to live.
Re: RE: Global warming 'past
It was heartening to read your post! I like to write and I like science fiction. Let me share a science website with you that will provide a subject to think about. I've written a half dozen short stories off it and hope to write something longer. Journey of Mankind Just click on it. It takes about an hour for the whole tour if you click on the Climate and Note pop ups. Enjoy!
Summer said:
It was heartening to read your post! I like to write and I like science fiction. Let me share a science website with you that will provide a subject to think about. I've written a half dozen short stories off it and hope to write something longer. Journey of Mankind Just click on it. It takes about an hour for the whole tour if you click on the Climate and Note pop ups. Enjoy!
RE: Global warming 'past
Thanks, Time! I've got it bookmarked, and hope to take a more thorough look at it in the morning. My DSL connection was down over the weekend, so I just got back onto the board.
Thanks, Time! I've got it bookmarked, and hope to take a more thorough look at it in the morning. My DSL connection was down over the weekend, so I just got back onto the board.
Hey great site.
It made me even want more, like showing
the changes in land masses of the continents
as the journey of man proceeded.
Also the National Geographic talks about discovering'
several simultaneous origins, but I guess this is
just the route of Homo Sapiens? And not of different
species like the Peking Man, or the Neanderthal ?
Great site.
It made me even want more, like showing
the changes in land masses of the continents
as the journey of man proceeded.
Also the National Geographic talks about discovering'
several simultaneous origins, but I guess this is
just the route of Homo Sapiens? And not of different
species like the Peking Man, or the Neanderthal ?
Great site.
jimmoyer Posted:
Jim, I don't think the land masses changed much in that very short time period (85,000 years). However, the shapes and extent of land masses changed a lot as sea levels rose and fell. Very low sea levels exposed coastal banks and made it much easier to cross the Red Sea, obliterated the Persian Gulf for a while, and made it much easier to cross the straits to Australia and New Guinea.
We have wandered far afield from the thread topic which was Global Warming but it does illustrate the huge effects of global warming and cooling that have occured in the past. Did you note that the Levant was, at various times, a lush grassland and then uninhabitable desert? In effect it was a gate that opened and closed with climate changes. Apparently global warming and cooling has occured in regular cycles thus providing entry into Europe and Asia many times.
It has been pretty well established that at least Homo Erectus wandered into Europe and Asia. Perhaps other homonids did too but much earlier than Homo Sapiens. Apparently thier populations flourished for a while, then died out. Perhaps global weather changes were responsible?
Jim, I don't think the land masses changed much in that very short time period (85,000 years). However, the shapes and extent of land masses changed a lot as sea levels rose and fell. Very low sea levels exposed coastal banks and made it much easier to cross the Red Sea, obliterated the Persian Gulf for a while, and made it much easier to cross the straits to Australia and New Guinea.
We have wandered far afield from the thread topic which was Global Warming but it does illustrate the huge effects of global warming and cooling that have occured in the past. Did you note that the Levant was, at various times, a lush grassland and then uninhabitable desert? In effect it was a gate that opened and closed with climate changes. Apparently global warming and cooling has occured in regular cycles thus providing entry into Europe and Asia many times.
It has been pretty well established that at least Homo Erectus wandered into Europe and Asia. Perhaps other homonids did too but much earlier than Homo Sapiens. Apparently thier populations flourished for a while, then died out. Perhaps global weather changes were responsible?
I think by now most of us realise that human activities in the past 200 years have increased atmospheric levels of greenhouse gases to dangerous levels. That is, levels that endanger human survival in many areas now and in the future. I believe that we should reverse this situation by:
1. Removing CO2 from the atmosphere and sequestering it in carbon sinks.
2. Substantially reducing the release of greenhouse gases by switching, as quickly as practical, to "green" energy sources.
Sounds like a big job , eh? It's not as impossible as it might seem, we simply need the will to start and then perservere, taking little bites out of the problem until it is done.
Removing CO2 from the atmosphere can be done on a very large scale quite inexpensively by encouraging the rampant growth of phytoplankton in vast areas of ocean "desert". These areas are in the southern oceans around Antarctica. Studies have shown that adding very small amounts of iron dust to the southern ocean will provide the necessary nutient that is lacking and massive phytoplankton blooms result. Phytoplankton are plants and growing plant activity pulls CO2 out of the water and sequesters the carbon in the plant and releases oxygen. This is probably the most efficient, large scale, cost effective method, but there are many other ways to enlist Natures help. Carbon Dioxide Sink
Switching to non-polluting power sources is reasonable and practical too. The worst offender may be coal-burning power plants. Up to 90% of all pollutants can be captured from emissions by retrofitting existing power plants with emissions-capture technology. Coal CO2 Sequestration and US DOE Press Release
Another major greenhouse gas emission source are automobiles and trucks. Switching to all-electric, or fuel-cell vehicles is an obvious solution provided the electrical energy or hydrogen fuel comes from non-polluting sources such as nuclear, hydro, wind, wave, tidal, or geo-thermal sources.
Long-haul trucking can be eliminated by shipping on electric-powered trains. Short-haul trucking can operate on fuel cells or batteries.
Are there problems and costs associated with this? Of course! A myriad of them, but each problem can be solved. It will certainly be easier than the project of going to the moon that was envisioned 40 years ago.
If we don't start pretty quick, we are going to be up to our ass in alligators (literally!) before long from rising water levels.
1. Removing CO2 from the atmosphere and sequestering it in carbon sinks.
2. Substantially reducing the release of greenhouse gases by switching, as quickly as practical, to "green" energy sources.
Sounds like a big job , eh? It's not as impossible as it might seem, we simply need the will to start and then perservere, taking little bites out of the problem until it is done.
Removing CO2 from the atmosphere can be done on a very large scale quite inexpensively by encouraging the rampant growth of phytoplankton in vast areas of ocean "desert". These areas are in the southern oceans around Antarctica. Studies have shown that adding very small amounts of iron dust to the southern ocean will provide the necessary nutient that is lacking and massive phytoplankton blooms result. Phytoplankton are plants and growing plant activity pulls CO2 out of the water and sequesters the carbon in the plant and releases oxygen. This is probably the most efficient, large scale, cost effective method, but there are many other ways to enlist Natures help. Carbon Dioxide Sink
Switching to non-polluting power sources is reasonable and practical too. The worst offender may be coal-burning power plants. Up to 90% of all pollutants can be captured from emissions by retrofitting existing power plants with emissions-capture technology. Coal CO2 Sequestration and US DOE Press Release
Another major greenhouse gas emission source are automobiles and trucks. Switching to all-electric, or fuel-cell vehicles is an obvious solution provided the electrical energy or hydrogen fuel comes from non-polluting sources such as nuclear, hydro, wind, wave, tidal, or geo-thermal sources.
Long-haul trucking can be eliminated by shipping on electric-powered trains. Short-haul trucking can operate on fuel cells or batteries.
Are there problems and costs associated with this? Of course! A myriad of them, but each problem can be solved. It will certainly be easier than the project of going to the moon that was envisioned 40 years ago.
If we don't start pretty quick, we are going to be up to our ass in alligators (literally!) before long from rising water levels.