Germans want to wipe nations of the map

[Blackleaf]

Twice in the 20th Century the Germans have tried to wipe Britain off the map. Now they are trying to do it again. But if they think they can succeed this time, they'll be disappointed.
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New map of Britain that makes Kent part of France

...and it's a German idea


by TIM SHIPMAN

4th September 2006

Germany to destroy ancient lands: regions that Germany wants to create when it takes over the Presidency the EU on 1st January 2007. Each nation will be destroyed.




For centuries the people of Kent have called their county the Garden of England. So they might find it quite a surprise that - according to the European Union at least - they are actually part of France.

Along with next-door Sussex, Kent has been rolled in with the Calais area on a map drawn up for Brussels.

The counties now belong to the "Trans-Manche region".

Under the plans from German cartographers, the East of England has also been shoehorned into a new region, which includes Scandinavia.

The Western side of Britain has been lumped together with Ireland and the Atlantic coasts of France, Spain and Portugal.

The Tories accused the EU of plotting to undermine nation states and even "wipe Britain off the map".

They warned that the German government wants to make the downgrading of national borders a key plank of its presidency of the EU next year - despite the rejection of the European Constitution by voters.

Brussels bureaucrats are poised to take charge of all "spatial information" in EU nations, forcing the 25 member states to bring their maps into line with specifications laid down by Brussels.

Those living in counties from Essex northwards will join the North Sea region under the plans, which take in coastal areas of Belgium, Holland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden and Norway.

The new regions have been drawn up for a project called Interreg, which wants to foster cross-border co-operation on issues such as tourism, trade, health and the environment.

The EU project will lead to a harmonisation of geographical names, administrative units and maps.

Brussels will also be able to create a database of property information used for taxation purposes.

The Tories claim this could be the first step in imposing an EU-wide property tax.

Local government spokesman Eric Pickles said: "Under the Labour Government, Britain has already been subdivided into regions as part of John Prescott's empire building.

"I fear that there is an agenda to undermine national identities and impose a United States of Europe by stealth. Conservatives will fight these attempts to Balkanise Britain.

"I fear Eurocrats could literally wipe Britain off the map and hardworking families and pensioners should be concerned that Europe wants the authority to build a database of their homes - this threatens to lead to an EU-wide property tax.

"We should work constructively with Europe to promote trade and co-operation between nations, but Conservatives believe that this is just the type of unwarranted interference that gives Brussels a bad name."

In a dossier on the new map, the Tories also warned: "Extending "transnationality" is to be a key part of German plans for their presidency of the European Union next year."

In June, Wolfgang Tiefensee, a German minister, said: "There is the great hope underlying the goal of a United Europe that we can permanently overcome old borders."

Readers' comments

Now I understand why we have uncontrolled immigration into this country.

- Maggie, Birmingham
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Sorry, this is a step too far. Their contempt for all things British is rearing it's ugly head again. We no longer need, nor want, all this interference from Brussels. They have exceeded their remit yet again. I'm with UKIP when they say time to get away from these bureaucrats who have no interest in anything but our contributions to the general pot.

- Elaine Grant, Herts, UK
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Its time to get out of Europe

- Tony Beaumont, Macclesfield , England
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If the Germans think that we are going to standby and let this happen to our country that will be the third biggest mistake they have made in the last 100 years.

- Jeff Cox, Auckland New Zealand
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I think the Germans can roll this map up and stick it up their nether regions!

- John Phillips, Derby.England
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You don't really believe for one minute that what the Germans may preach, they will actually practice?

With 16 Federal states, Germany is already sub-divided to such an extent that each "Bundesland" jealously guards its freedoms and peculiarities. After the latest Federal Reforms, the “Länder” have received even more power in certain areas where they were not prepared to relinquish to central government, such as education and local taxation.

Though I believe that the EU is actually a good system for diluting European tensions and enhancing trade, I think this idea of ‘re-drawing’ the map, and re-designating country’s boundaries will definitely not be accepted by the majority in any European country. We certainly didn’t sign up to the idea of a United States of Europe. But in point of fact the good old USA still has a diversified make up which is in clear contradiction to what the megalomaniacs in Brussels are trying to promote!

- Ronnie Clews, Expat, Germany
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Out of Europe now. This government will stand by and let them do this to us.

- Kate, Newcastle
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Doubtless the Europhiles will be telling us that this is 'nothing to worry about - just a tidying-up exercise'.

- Mark, Durham, UK
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Whenever we anti-EU'ers have said that the EU plans to take us over and that regionalisation was the tool they would use, the pro's have told us we are paranoid. Now here it is in black and white. We must not stand for this.

- A. Howlett, Manchester
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Educational standards in Germany must be worse than ours! Are they taught Geography?

- Philip Jones, Banbury UK
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Perhaps the Germans might like to cede the eastern half of *their* country to someone, say, Russia?

Oh, that was tried already, wasn't it? I didn't think it was very popular that time, do they expect us to feel differently?

- Dave Reece, Oxford, UK
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What on earth must the Queen think? Or has she not been told?

- M. Beattie, Plymouth
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It's about time we kicked all this EU rubbish into touch. I voted for a Common Market NOT a federal Europe...

- Mike May, Egham
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They've got to be having a laugh! If they think ANYONE in France or the UK will accept their plans they are sadly mistaken. Time to leave Europe.

- Peter Phillips, UK
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You couldn't make it up, could you? Blair is continually pontificating about bringing democracy to the Middle East and yet he won't allow us to vote on whether or not we want to be a member of the EU.

- Dave, Newcastle
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Surely there is some ancient law that would allow us to get rid of the current govt. right away? It's hardly suprising people don't care anymore when we are given nothing to care about of be proud of.

- Kris, Hull
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I agree with all the comments above, I also voted for a 'common market'. I'm English and want to stay that way. Is this Bliar's way of getting a job in the EU when he is forced out of Downing Street?

- Carol, Stoke Poges
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If I go to Kent can I get French Diesel prices for my vehicle and French prices for my wine and beer?

- John, Farnborough UK
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I wasn't old enough to vote for the Common Market, but have to live with the fall out of this bad decision. Time for another Vote!

- Bill, Dunmow
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In the prothetic book '1984', Britain was refered to as 'Airstrip One'. Looks as though that is the way we are heading now.

- Ryk, London
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It's not quite as mad as it looks. There are cultural, historical and linguistic links between those very regions. However, it would be equally possible to draw it differently using a different point in time. Are we going to get Normandy or Brittany back? If we follow this logic through, swathes of our major cities should not be in Europe at all!

- G. Ian Goodson, Birmingham
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One world government here we come. This is part of a larger agenda by the Bilderburg group. An agreement was signed last year to have an American Union along similar lines to the origins of the Common Market.

- Roger, Epping
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Can we have Calais and Anjou back please?

- Alan, London
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What a carve up!

- Martin Hills, Brighton
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This has got to be a wind up!

- Sue, Northants
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Just a new variation of 'divide and rule'.

Surely this doesn't mean that yet more of John Prescott's ugly [regional] plans will now be unravelled again. What a crassly expensive waste of time and money that oaf is.

- Dave Harrison, Cumbria
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Kate, it's news to me that we have a Government!

- John, Surrey
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Thanks, but no thanks.

Further to the earlier comment, strangely enough, we have cultural, historical and linguistic links to the whole of Britain not just those areas on the new map to which we have been colour coded.

You couldnt make it up! And to think someone actually gets paid to think up these ideas too.

- Vicki, Yorkshire
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This carving up of England has been EU policy for many years. I hope the people of Kent will get the benefits of French efficiency such as no health service waiting lists, trains running on time and lower costs of living.

- Harry Basset, Whitby,
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Get us out of this madness. Its run by the French and Germans for the benifit of the French and Germans, why have we been letting them destroy the British way of life by stealth over the last 10-15 years. It makes me laugh when Chirac says that the EU does not present a united front on the world stage. What in fact he means is that the Brits dont agree with his French view of the world.

- Bob, uk
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Do the large white areas mean those bits will not be part of the EU?

- Chris Downing, Rothwell, England
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YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS! The thought of Cornwall being lumped together with Portugal or Newcastle being plonked in the same region as Copenhagen is totally barmy!!! It's a loony idea that will never work as it's not grounded in anything historical, economical or even geographical. It'll never take off!!!

- Dean, London,UK
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The Tories talk the talk but never walk the walk.
England has already been wiped off the map and the Tories and UKIP are well aware of it. If the Tories were serious about resisting the EU they could make a start by resigning from un elected eu regional assemblies in England. Tory councils need not wait for Cameron to be elected as PM, they are within their rights to with draw now.We can all shout and scream about europe but unless there is a referendum offered, these quislings will eventually sell us out.

- Tally, Preston England
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No doubt the planned EU property tax will ensure that the highest levels are in the UK and the French will automatically qualify for 98% rebates under the Common Property Tax Policy (CPTP) in the same way they benefit most from the CAP?

Just how far are our now treasonous and traitorous elected government prepared to go in abrogating our way of life and our future financial prosperity to a group of continental europeans who would wipe us off the face of the planet through EU boundary legislation in the blink of an eye?

- Keith Jones, Hartlepool, Cleveland
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The lunatics have taken over the asylum!

- Ross, Runcorn, UK
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Norway and Iceland showed wisdom by not joining the EU, yet they are shown on the map being carved up and assigned to their new fatherlands. Does this Germany know something that nobody else does?

- Stewart Cowan, Stranraer, UK
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We ENGLISH have been going on about this for years. Big John and his New Labour trolls wiped England off the UK map years ago and what did UKIP or the Tories do, NOTHING.
This is just the start of things to come. Mark my words, Europe is the new USSR and all Blair wants to do is become the 1st President of EUSSR.

- Ed Abrams, Chester
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Kris from Hull said: Surely there is some ancient law that would allow us to get rid of the current govt. right away? There is Kris, it's called the Treason Act and you should apply it right away before these looneys completely destroy your soverignity, or you have to hold a civil war to restore sanity.

- John, Spain
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When are the people in this country going to wake and demand that we pull out of the EU, a corrupt/illegal organisation.

- Samantha Jones, Bucks England





dailymail.co.uk
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Mad map to leave Britain in bits

By DAVID WOODING
September 04, 2006

GERMANY is plotting to wipe Britain off the map in their revived bid to create an EU superstate.

They want the 25 member states to scrap their national boundaries so England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland cease to exist.

They would be split up and merged with other countries to form new “trans-national” EU regions.

Kent and East Sussex would join northern France as part of a new land called “TransManche”.

Most of England and Scotland would be lumped with parts of Scandinavia, Germany, Belgium and Holland as the North Sea region.

Western England would be in the Atlantic region with chunks of France.

Wales and Ireland would become Ireland-Wales, while north-west Scotland would be in the “Northern Periphery”.

The masterplan will be put into action when Germany takes over the EU presidency in January and tries to revive the rejected EU constitution.

German minister Wolfgang Tiefensee said: “There is the great hope underlying the goal of a United Europe that we can overcome old borders.”



THE SUN SAYS

Wolf at the door



“THE Germans have a masterplan to redraw the map of Europe . . . ”

It seems we have heard those words before. And now we are hearing them again.

Next January, when the Germans begin a six-month EU presidency, they intend to “facilitate trans-European territorial integration”.

In other words they want to scrap national borders and wipe Britain off the map.

As luck would have it, EU officials in Brussels have drawn up a map splitting Britain into five “transnational” regions.

It’s just about as barmy as it can get — uniting bits of Kent and Sussex with France, combining Wales and Ireland, and throwing Cornwall in with Portugal.

The first reaction is, of course, to have a good laugh. But don’t.

The Germans are deadly serious. They want to bring back the dreaded European Constitution.

Their Federal Minister Wolfgang Tiefensee says: “There is great hope underlying the goal of a United Europe that we can permanently overcome old borders”.

Not if The Sun has anything to do with it, Wolfgang.



thesun.co.uk

 

[I think not]

:roll:


Andem you need a conspiracy theory forum.

 

[Blackleaf]

You think it's all "baloney" do you?

Why don't you contact Germany's Federal Minister Wolfgang Tiefensee who has said: “There is great hope underlying the goal of a United Europe that we can permanently overcome old borders”.

It's damn Europhiles who also said that the EU making bendy bananas illegal was also a myth, until it was eventually shown that it is true.

 

[Andem]

I think so, ITN!

The colour codings are nothing more than what we already do in Canada... the atlantic is the maritimes, the middle is the praries and the west is the pacific, the territories are the north.

Seeing as Canada is 5 times larger than Europe, I wouldn't call it removing national identities.


Blackleaf: The UK was not always such a rich country and has seen advantages of being part of the European Community. Now that they have so much wealth (which never lasts indefinately), they want away from the other countries in the EU. Germany's economy has recently made a 360 and nobody here is demanding the country leave the union.

Damn, if the UK left the EU, I'd have to regain German citizenship (thus losing my Canadian).

 

[I think not]

You should be more worried about the Scotts than the Germans if I were you.

 

[Blackleaf]

Re: RE: Germans want to wipe nations of the map

Seeing as Canada is 5 times larger than Europe, I wouldn't call it removing national identities.

Why does Europe, which is a CONTINENT (and the world's second-smallest) and not a country, like Canada, have to have these "regions"?

The world's largest continent, Asia, doesn't have similar regions. Neither does Africa. I'm afraid your explanation won't wash.

Blackleaf: The UK was not always such a rich country and has seen advantages of being part of the European Community.

Britain was Europe's 3rd richest country, per capita, before we joined the EU. In 1997, it was the 3rd POOREST.

Britain is the 2nd-largest contributor to the EU budget after Germany. We give MORE to the EU than we get back. So in no way does the EU make us richer. But Britain is only the 2nd-largest contributor to the EU budget thanks to our rebate. Without the rebate (which the dirty Germans and French want to take away from us) we would be the LARGEST contributor to the EU budget, contributing a massive FOURTEEN times as much money, per capita, to the EU budget than France and even contributing more than germany, which has a larger economy.

Damn, if the UK left the EU, I'd have to regain German citizenship (thus losing my Canadian).

Well, that's not out problem. One day, Britain will be free of this EU monstrosity. We don't need unelected foreigners ruling our country. But I udnerstand your distress. If I had to become a German citizen I would also feel suicidal.

And judging by the words of Herr Wolfgang Tiefensee, a German minister, who has said in response to the creation of these regions: "There is the great hope underlying the goal of a United Europe that we can permanently overcome old borders" it doesn't sound like these regions that the Germans want to create are just regions like "the Maritimes" in Canada. To me it sounds as though they want to create an actual United Europe - a United States of Europe - probably under German control. It's something that they failed to do in the 1940s but are attempting to do again.

Also, why is it that Germany, France and much of Continental Europe are virtually left untouched and Britain, Ireland and much of Scandinavia bare the brunt of changes?

 

[Andem]

Most EU-skeptics only talk about the disadvantages rather than the advantages that come with being a member. For one, there are trade advantages across the board for countries across Europe. It also gives Britons the ability to move and work abroad in other European countries. I for one know of many people from London who prefer to call Frankfurt, Munich (especially) and Berlin home. London is ripe with crime and fear of terrorist attacks thanks to the government for population replacement.

The tiny British Isles would lose out in a world of globalisation if they left the EU. If globalisation didn't exist and each country could survive on its own, I might have a different opinion.

Either way, I'm not suicidal about being German again, but this country doesn't allow multiple citizenships thus I'm British/Canadian.

 

[Blackleaf]

Re: RE: Germans want to wipe nations of the map

It also gives Britons the ability to move and work abroad in other European countries.

Are you trying to tell me that we can only visit other European countries and we can only work in other Europeans countries only if we were a part of the EU? Give me a break. British people have been going to other European countries for hundreds of years. If we want to work in Grmany or France - not that any Brit would even consider it given your double digit unemployment rates - we can go and work in your countries after we have left the EU.

British Isles would lose out in a world of globalisation if they left the EU.

More rubbish. New Zealand, Australia, Norway, Japan, the United States and around 97% of the world's countries haven't lost out to globalisation and none of them are in the EU. If anything, Britain is MORE globalised than the rest of Europe. Britain is an outward-looking global nation, a nation that trades with the world. The Continental European countries are more inward-looking and provincial and tend to trade only amongst themselves.

And we won't lose much if we left the EU. We trade more to coutnries outside of the EU to those inside of the EU, and probably around 90% of Britain's trade is NOT involved with the EU. Also, Britain buys more from the EU than what the EU buys from Britain. So when Britain leaves the EU, and the Eu then decided to stop trading with Britain, then the EU would be losing more than what we would.

 

[Blackleaf]

The case for staying in the EU

Surely there must be good things we get out of our EU membership? Well, I will try to set out the case for staying in the EU, as put forward by the Government and other Europhiles in our most recent Lords debates, to which I have referred (June 27th 2003 and February 11th 2004). Presumably it's the best case they can make.

If you read those debates, you will see that there isn't really a case for the EU. It just isn't possible to identify any genuine benefits we have had from our EU membership, which we couldn't have had under simple free trade arrangements and collaboration between Governments. But I will do my best. The propaganda runs as follows:


'60% of our trade and 3 million jobs depend on our membership of the EU'.
This is designed to fool the British people into fearing that they cannot afford to leave the EU. Not true. By the word "trade", they actually mean "exports of manufactured goods" which account for less than half of total UK exports. But since Brussels' dictats apply to and strangle 100% of our economy, the only way to understand the effect of our EU membership is to look at the whole of our output and all our jobs. Then we see the true picture, which is that only about 10% of our output and jobs support our trade with the EU, another 10% goes in trade with the rest of the world, and the remaining 80% stays right here in our domestic market.13 Our healthy 90% dog is being wagged by its mangy 10% tail.

Not that the 10% of our output and jobs which support our trade with the EU are unimportant. No-one is saying that. But the obvious fact is that we would not lose that 10% of output or jobs if we left the EU and continued our trade with the Single Market. And there really isn't any doubt that that is what we would do. The EU trades in massive surplus with the UK. They sell us far more than we sell them. This means they have many more jobs dependent on their trade with us than we do on our trade with them. We are by far their largest client. So if we left the EU, they would come running after us to make sure we signed a free trade agreement with them. After all, Switzerland, Mexico and 20 other countries already enjoy free trade agreements with the EU, which is negotiating FTAs with a further 69 countries.14 This makes 91 countries in all, about half the countries in the world. So if we left the EU we could maintain all our present trading arrangements, plus no doubt "free movement of persons" and so on, which again Switzerland already enjoys. We could dictate our terms.

Even free trade with the EU is no longer such a big deal as it used to be. The World Trade Organization has brought the EU's average external tariff - paid by the US and most other countries in the world to export into the EU - down to about 1.5%.15 Indeed, every major economic study this century agrees that leaving the EU would be at worst neutral for our trade and jobs. The leftish and fairly Europhile National Institute of Social and Economic Research said that in March 2000.16 The International Trade Commission in Washington, perhaps the world's largest and most prestigious economic think-tank, said it in a report to Congress in August 2000.17 Our Institute of Economic Affairs said it in 1996 and again in 2002.18 Even Neil Kinnock and the EU Trade Commissioner, Fritz Bolkestein, were forced to admit it on the Today programme in February 2001. In fact, no-one except the Europhile propagandists pretends that leaving the EU would bring economic disadvantage to the people of Great Britain. Our trade would continue, and so would our jobs.
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'We gain influence by sharing our sovereignty. Look at NATO and the United Nations. We gave up sovereignty to join them'
Answer: Sovereignty is like virginity. You either have it or you don't. NATO and the UN don't dictate most of our unwanted laws and regulations, and we could leave them tomorrow if we felt like it.
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We are told that 'the British people voted to join the EU in the referendum of 1975' and so that should be the end of the matter.
But they didn't. They voted to stay in what they were assured was a Common Market, or free trade area.
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They claim that 'if we left the EU we would still have to obey all its rules, but not be able to participate in making those rules'.
Not so. The truth is that those who make up the 10% of our economy which exports to the EU would of course have to meet Brussels' requirements, as does every other non-EU exporter in the rest of the world, and just as it pays to put the steering wheel on the left if you are selling a car to the US market. But the other 90% of our economy would no longer have to obey the dictats from Brussels. Exports to the EU from the USA and Switzerland, who are not EU members, are going up faster than those from any of the member states.19
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'Our membership of the EU makes us the gateway for inward investment into Europe'.
Nonsense. Foreigners invest here because of our reliable workforce, low tax and regulatory regime (until the EU destroys that), and because we speak English. Surprisingly, there is little evidence that inward investment creates many jobs anyway, and 80% of it goes into oil, gas and services which do not supply EU markets.20
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Then there's the claim that our bond market, the City of London, and so on, would all collapse if we left the EU.
That's what they told us would happen if we didn't join the euro. The greatest threat to the City and our bond market actually came from the EU, with its withholding tax proposals, which even Gordon Brown threatened to veto.
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We are told that if we Euro-sceptics would only shut up, the UK could take its place at the heart of 'Europe' and lead it into the paths of righteousness; that the French and the Germans would somehow abandon their ruinous social and labour policies, instead of forcing them on the rest of us through the Single Market.
But how can we persuade them of our national interest, with only 111/2 % of the votes? Why have we been unable to change even the notorious Common Agricultural and Fisheries Policies in the 32 years of our membership?
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They say 'the EU must be good news because 10 new Eastern European nations have voted to join it'.
The answers here are that, first, turnout in all the referenda was very low.

Second, the people weren't told the truth about the EU. For instance, most of them weren't told about the proposed new Constitution at all.

Third, the spending by the 'Yes' sides was massively more than the 'No' sides. In Estonia, for instance, the 'Yes' campaign spent 60 times what the 'No' campaign could raise. But most important of all, the key to understanding the 'Yes' votes is that most of the bureaucrats and politicians who negotiated the entry of their countries into the EU stand to get jobs in Brussels, or paid on the EU scale. The Polish ambassador has told me that 1,400 Poles will now get EU jobs, at 10 times their present salaries.
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We're told that the EU Project is 're-uniting Europe'.
But if you ask them when Europe was last 'united' in the way they wish to see it 're-united', you get a rather uncomfortable look. (Caesar? Napoleon? Hitler?)
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This leads me to perhaps the most effective piece of Europhile propaganda: that the EU has secured the peace in Europe since 1945, and is essential to maintain it in future.
This is the big deception which plays at the almost unconscious level. It is a warm, misty conviction that the EU must be inevitably good. It does not tolerate any rational examination of history or the facts. It's the one which makes those of us who query the divinity of the EU Project into dangerous nationalists, xenophobes, Little Englanders, or worse. You start to be guilty of all this as soon as you dare to point out that NATO was entirely responsible for keeping the peace in Europe until the Wall came down in 1989, or if you ask which European country would have gone to war with another in the absence of the EU. So even this essential plank of Europropaganda is simply wishful thinking, constantly repeated by the Eurocrats in order to justify their bloated lifestyles and the Project in general.

Indeed, if you stand back, scratch your head a bit, and take a calm look at the EU, you see it is a well-tried model for discord, not peace. It contains two of the most important ingredients for conflict.

First, it is a top-down amalgamation of different peoples, put together without their informed consent, and such arrangements usually end in conflict. You only have to look at Northern Ireland, Yugoslavia, the Trans-Caucasus, Kashmir and most of Africa to see that.

Second, as I have pointed out, the EU is institutionally undemocratic. It is also corrupt, which is another ingredient for trouble. I repeat, the Project aims to replace 'dangerous' national democracies with a supra-national government, run by a Commission of wise and honest technocrats. But history shows us that on the whole democracies do not provoke war, and indeed its hard to think of a genuine democracy which has declared war on another. So Euro-sceptics believe that a free trade association between the democracies of Europe, linked through NATO, is much less likely to end in tears than is the emerging undemocratic mega-state.
Whilst on the subject of peace, I should mention that a new raison d'être is coming to the surface in Brussels. A large majority of Eurocrats and Europhiles see the EU's main purpose in life as being to stand up to and undermine the United States of America. In fact, this was always part of the Project, inspired by France's deep psychotic need to bite the hand that freed her in two World Wars. Luckily, there is little prospect that the EU will be able to provide the defence budget necessary to fulfill this ambition, but it will continue to poison the trans-Atlantic relationship for the foreseeable future.

brugesgroup.com

 

[Dexter Sinister]

That doesn't look like any kind of sensible political or territorial map to me, and the text posted with it looks like the worst sort of sleazy tabloid journalism.

That looks like a map of ecological zones, or plant hardiness zones, something like that. The source of the map isn't clearly identified, not in the OP or in the two newspapers cited, I went to both of them and looked.

I don't think there's any substance here at all.

 

[Hotshot]

blackleaf, you just won't give up, will you??

LOL

 

[hermanntrude]

The good thing about Europe, is when they come up with something stupid (like the bendy banana rule) we can safely ignore it. As far as I can tell, the bananas in our shops are equally bendy as they used to be, in fact i took my protractor to sainsbury's last night and measured one to have a total bend angle of 50°!

So firstly I think they're not really trying to remove all national borders, they're just regioning things in a more geographical manner... things near the ocean are together, things on the channel are together etc etc etc. And you could say part of France is to become Kentish

secondly i recon even if they are trying something dumb we can safely consider ourselves british and kentish and east anglian without the Europeans coming over in their eurofighters to bombs us

 

[Finder]

Nah I think Blackleaf is right. the UK should give up on the EU. Thus making the UK isolated from the rest of Europe and thus driving the UK down further into it's head first decline.

 

[hermanntrude]

Nah I think Blackleaf is right. the UK should give up on the EU. Thus making the UK isolated from the rest of Europe and thus driving the UK down further into it's head first decline.

are you suggesting you want the UK to go into a decline or are you suggesting that blackleaf is wrong?