FALLUJA: Summarily Executed - Uncensored Video / Text of US

[moghrabi]

FALLUJA: Summarily Executed - Uncensored Video / Text of US Troops Executing Wounded Falluja Mosque Prisoners
Posted Nov 16, 2004 10:21 AM PST
Category: IRAQ

As you watch this video, and the older ones I relinked, just keep these facts in mind.

1. There were no banned weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Iraq was NOT defying the United Nations.

2. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.

3. Saddam was NOT helping Al Qaeda. They were political opposites, with Al Qaeda favoring theocratic rule (like the fundies do in this country) while Saddam's was a secular government.

4. Saddam did not gas the Kurds. Iran did.

5. Saddam is in jail, even though nobody can actually find any evidence of the crimes he is accused of.

So, why is the US in Iraq at all, let along committing war crimes?

http://mparent7777.blog-city.com/read/913435.htm

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

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Hey! Moghrabi

I was listening to CNN this morning as Wolf Blitzer explained ....

Just before showing the video, he warned his viewers that the video might be considered "upsetting" to some. Then, the video was shown without the gruesome footage.

He sure had lots of excuses!

Everything Americans do is a "mistake". Everything an Iraqi does is cruel and brutal or animalistic. I laugh aloud.

The first thing the Americans did was to take over the hospital before the actual battle began. They did not want pictures from Iraqi doctors showing the dead or wounded civilians in the hospital.

Just imagine what is taking place outside of camera range?

Pretty tense over there.

And, I finally finished my bulletin board setup. You could visit and view my collection of stories. There is no need to join or register.

http://www.pair-annoyed.com:9090/!DL/AreYouAnnoyedToday.html

Calm

 

[moghrabi]

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Hey! Moghrabi

I was listening to CNN this morning as Wolf Blitzer explained ....

Just before showing the video, he warned his viewers that the video might be considered "upsetting" to some. Then, the video was shown without the gruesome footage.

He sure had lots of excuses!

Everything Americans do is a "mistake". Everything an Iraqi does is cruel and brutal or animalistic. I laugh aloud.

The first thing the Americans did was to take over the hospital before the actual battle began. They did not want pictures from Iraqi doctors showing the dead or wounded civilians in the hospital.

Just imagine what is taking place outside of camera range?

Pretty tense over there.

And, I finally finished my bulletin board setup. You could visit and view my collection of stories. There is no need to join or register.

http://www.pair-annoyed.com:9090/!DL/AreYouAnnoyedToday.html

Calm

Thank you for the invitation. I am going there now.

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

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Are You Annoyed Today?

http://www.pair-annoyed.com:9090/!DL/Dot-AreYouAnnoyedToday.mp3

 

[moghrabi]

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After hearing the above, I became very annoyed. LOL

 

[Paco]

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I would caution you to employ hindsight but humbly. Men who are trained in war make life and death decisions in real time and not by anti-war, candyasses in retrospect.

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

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Doesn't mean they can't make mistakes ...

 

[Haggis McBagpipe]

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I do see your point, Paco. Of course mistakes are made in the heat of battle, and a person would be nuts to condemn a soldier for such errors in judgement. I'd like to see the person who could do better, in such circumstances.

However, should we not ask what goes on in the coldness of a 'war room', where many unacceptable mistakes are made, and where decisions are sometimes made to allow terrible actions, far beyond what is decent, in or out of the 'heat of the moment'?

 

[Reverend Blair]

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No asking question allowed, Haggis. That'd make you anti-American...possibly even a candy-ass.

We couldn't possibly recognise a war crime because we've never committed one. We aren't allowed to criticise George Bush because we've never stuck out tongues up his butt.

Does Bush pay his apologists, or are they blind on purpose?

 

[Haggis McBagpipe]

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No asking question allowed, Haggis. That'd make you anti-American...possibly even a candy-ass.

We couldn't possibly recognise a war crime because we've never committed one. We aren't allowed to criticise George Bush because we've never stuck out tongues up his butt.

Does Bush pay his apologists, or are they blind on purpose?

You are right, Rev. I feel for the citizens in the states who are questioning things, they are getting branded as traitors and candy-asses... and now it seems the whole city of Seattle is considered a throwaway item, nothing but a trade-off for the would-be state of Alberta.

 

[Paco]

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The terrorists in Iraq have consistently practiced deception. They raise a white flag to surrender, and then blow themselves up to kill Americans.

The wounded will set off IED (improvised explosive devices) when American soldiers approach.

They rig IED’s to go off when the body of an already dead terrorist is touched or moved.

They use women and children as human shields.

That Marine who shot the wounded terrorist had been in combat for eight days. He's tired, hungry, frustrated, angry, and, had been wounded the day before.

That Marine who shot the wounded terrorist had lost his best friend to a booby-trapped (wounded or dead - it's not clear, yet) terrorist.

The terrorists do not abide by international law or the Geneva Convention.

The Marines had cared for the wounded terrorists the day before when they took that Mosque the first time. The next day, those terrorists opened fire on Marines from the same Mosque.

And Rev? You should learn to differentiate between "questioning" and utter declarations of crimes. I was responding to a thread that asserts "US Troops Executing Wounded Falluja Mosque Prisoners”

 

[LadyC]

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That Marine who shot the wounded terrorist had been in combat for eight days. He's tired, hungry, frustrated, angry, and, had been wounded the day before.

You know for sure he was tired and hungry? Frustrated and angry, maybe, but these are just excuses.

That Marine who shot the wounded terrorist had lost his best friend to a booby-trapped (wounded or dead - it's not clear, yet) terrorist.

More excuses.

The terrorists do not abide by international law or the Geneva Convention.

That doesn't excuse "the good guys" from doing the same. If you want to claim the moral high ground, you'd better make sure you have it first.

 

[Paco]

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The terrorists do not abide by international law or the Geneva Convention.

That doesn't excuse "the good guys" from doing the same. If you want to claim the moral high ground, you'd better make sure you have it first.

I disagree. The Geneva Convention applies to uniformed soldiers fighting for a state. The terrorists represent no state, nor are they uniformed.

The terrorists do not abide by the Geneva Convention and the Geneva Convention does not abide them.

We take the fight to the enemy. We fight on their terms. This is war.

We can save the claims of high moral ground for our interview with St. Peter.

 

[LadyC]

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Fine. You want to fight on their terms, then quit complaining that bodies are booby-trapped, soldiers are tired, hungry etc.

Ignoring the Geneva convention makes the US no better than those they're fighting.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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First of all, since the invasion of Iraq was illegal to begin with and since the US has used banned weapons like depleted uranium and napalm, expecting the Iraqis not to fight back by any means possible is kind of ridiculous. That's especially true given the extremely uneven nature of the war.

The wounded will set off IED (improvised explosive devices) when American soldiers approach.

Wounded American soldiers have been known to fire off a shot or two.

They use women and children as human shields.

The US has been bombing women and children since the Gulf War.

That Marine who shot the wounded terrorist had been in combat for eight days. He's tired, hungry, frustrated, angry, and, had been wounded the day before.

That marine committed a war crime in full view of a television camera.

That Marine who shot the wounded terrorist had lost his best friend to a booby-trapped (wounded or dead - it's not clear, yet) terrorist.

That in no way entitles him to commit murder.

The terrorists do not abide by international law or the Geneva Convention.

If the US refuses to abide by those laws, that makes them terrorists too. That's why I'm wearing a shirt that declares George Bush to be an international terrorist.

The Marines had cared for the wounded terrorists the day before when they took that Mosque the first time. The next day, those terrorists opened fire on Marines from the same Mosque.

So? According to international and US military law as soon as they are no longer shooting, are wounded and disarmed, you can no longer shoot them.

And Rev? You should learn to differentiate between "questioning" and utter declarations of crimes. I was responding to a thread that asserts "US Troops Executing Wounded Falluja Mosque Prisoners”

Paco...you should learn the difference between having an opinion and being an apologist for war criminals. The video very clearly shows a US Marine shooting an unarmed, wounded man. That is an execution. It makes that Marine no better than a Hell's Angel who drags a rival gang member out in a field and shoots him.

 

[moghrabi]

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Go Rev Go. I love your words and the way you answer. I am electing you for some post.

 

[Paco]

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Paco...you should learn the difference between having an opinion and being an apologist for war criminals. The video very clearly shows a US Marine shooting an unarmed, wounded man. That is an execution. It makes that Marine no better than a Hell's Angel who drags a rival gang member out in a field and shoots him.

War criminal? You are judge and jury? You must be an amazing person. A seer.

In Canada one may convict another solely based on viewing a 5 second video and emotion, but in my country that Marine is innocent until proven guilty.

The US has been bombing women and children since the Gulf War.

What is your point? Do you allege premeditated and deliberate murder of women and children by my country? Do you have proof?

So? According to international and US military law as soon as they are no longer shooting, are wounded and disarmed, you can no longer shoot them.

Your perception is blinded by... what?

The next day, those terrorists opened fire on Marines from the same Mosque.

How does one logically draw such conclusions? From "being fired upon from the same mosque" to "no longer shooting, wounded and disarmed." The Marine is clearly heard saying, "he's faking." I didn't hear that Marine yell, "He's disarmed and wounded! But I shall kill him anyway!"

It's war. Get over it. You live in an dream world were reality is whatever you are smoking today.

 

[Paco]

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One last comment...

I declare here and now; that Marine shot a terrorist in self defense.

1. The guy was a terrorist.

2. He was breathing.

What's not to understand?

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

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Point is: what is selfdefense? I think you have a broader meaning of selfdefense than most of us, don't you think?

 

[moghrabi]

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He is an American, Rick. Self Defence to an American is wiping every body out of existence if there was any sort of threat to them. This is why we have so-called Terrorist around the globe because of the US mentality such as Paco's that they have the right to kill, shoot, strangle, abuse etc.. in the name of democracy.