for teens, suicide is a permanent solution for a temporary problem because they are too overwhelmed to see the problem for what it is.
Doctor-Assisted Suicide Is Officially Legal in Quebec
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What i find to be phoney BS is when people intentionally wait till the last minute when they cannot do it themselves then insist that someone else kill them.
ahh but then you would go for the pre emptive suicide ... that is the next line over
ahh but then you would go for the pre emptive suicide ... that is the next line over
Of course, heh heh.
Hope of beating the odds and being "the one" who defies nature might be possible. I think if I were diagnosed with a terminal illness I would do my best to gather "supplies" in case, but when you look at history you see mutliple examples of whole groups of people waiting till the last moment. So there must be something that goes wrong in the brain during moments of high stress. Who knows who it'll affect?
In all seriousness this a personal choice and we just tend to make things 'uniform ' for everyone persey.
I would hate to have a law that prevents me of my choice that deals with me and me alone.
There should be a greater effort on those who want to commit suicide when they have so much to live for.
I would hate to have a law that prevents me of my choice that deals with me and me alone.
There should be a greater effort on those who want to commit suicide when they have so much to live for.
Also, i just find it a huge conflict of oath for a family physician to assist suicide when their goal should be keeping you alive and well.
What if that means living in agony? no conflict there ?
Doctors are they not supposed to be compassionate?
sorry man, you are free to consider assisting suicide as a compassionate thing, but imo, doctors equating it to being compassionate sounds way too ****ed up to me.
It would have been the compassionate thing for my mother when she was slowly dying of pancreatic cancer. No cure, no chance. Just wait out the pain. No, there is compassion in ending one's suffering.
As for waiting to the last minute and getting someone else to do it....there is often a hope that things will change and it's when we are too weak to fight any more that we make peace with the decision, I would think. Maybe.
Its not exactly something new to the profession. They've been doing it more or less since the beginning. If I were to do it id rather get the help from a doctor who is pretty much an expert on the human body than say a friend or relative who can f*ck the whole thing up leading to something worse than death. If the idea of a doctor doing that is ****ed up to you, thats fine, don't ask for that particular service. Its not like its being forced on anyone.
Also, technically the first part of your sentence is wrong. No one has that option right now. If caught anyone assisting will be charged and likely go to prison for quite some time. That is still the case in Quebec as federal criminal law still trumps provincial law and it is still illegal under the criminal code.
There are limits to what doctors can do when it comes to that. Its not like someone comes in with a cough and the doctor says "alright here's some cyanide." This is for people terminally ill who no longer have a good quality of life. If you are in a bed in agony with no hope of recovery, personally thats not a condition I or quite a few others would consider worth living. For some it is and they are still free to do so.
As for the oath - not all doctors take it. Its not a requirement and never really was. Even if it was I don't really consider relieving someone of their pain when it is what that person wants to be doing them harm.
Most people fail on their first attempt. Hell even a bullet to the head is no guarantee. Its rare, but some survive that. Failing a suicide attempt can be very messy and be worse than death. Help from a professional can avoid that. I don't see how it would be "phoney BS" - that stuff does happen. Why shouldn't they wait if they want to? They should get some say in when and how they die. If they wait til they can't do it themselves and want help doing it and there is someone around willing - why not let them? Its no one else's business but that person and the one helping them.
Also, ever gone into a room after someone did do it on their own? I have. Its messy and disturbing as hell.
Generally I agree but no age group is immune from terminal diseases. My first gf got ovarian cancer at 16. The types of problems you refer to would not be problems this law would apply to. There is no way in hell a doctor would help someone kill themselves because they are a hormonal teenager.
omg, omg, omg...that is horrifying and I am so sorry to hear that.
years ago I remember a doctor writing about the death of his father in our small hometown paper where he had a weekly health column...I was likely 16, this man went through torture watching his father dying slowly and painfully of cancer...it was a compelling read that touched my soul deeply and caused me to contemplate the process of dying and the nature of a loving god, and it changed my mind forever because it spoke to the soul and I knew what he was saying under the words but what he could not say legally as a physician...
recently a friend/acquaintance of mine from high school whom I had found again on FB went through a family crisis with her younger sister...she was diagnosed with fast spreading cancer...she went from having vague symptoms that had taken her to the ER where they could find nothing because of course her symptoms were just an indicator of something else...to full blown "get your affairs in order, you are dying". This woman had never been sick hardly a day in her life and now she was dying.
So we followed and supported the journey of her death via FB...it was fuking harrowing. My friend is in the medical profession and her anger at what she saw and experienced and her lack of ability to help to ease the suffering was awful. When we finally hooked up this year for lunch and she told me more than she could reveal on FB it was in a word...sad. I use sad because I can't convey the depth of the experience in words it is something that must be experienced on another plain.
Apparently the gods prefer it.
A wise wag once remarked, there is no hell as Gawd would not have us suffer twice.
Seems to me that those opposed can't or won't differentiate between medical care and end of life care. Or that both can actually have their place without interfering with each other.
I am not sure how to take that question but i think it is the end of suffering the goal here , oh and some dignity.