Desperate Liberals Release Attack Ads on Torys

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Liberals release new series of attack ads

A barrage of new Liberal attack ads take direct aim at Conservative Leader Stephen Harper.

A dozen 30-second advertisements intended for television were posted on the Liberal web site Tuesday afternoon, with every ad clearly targeting the Tory leader's policies.

One of the ads however, suggesting Harper would put military personnel in Canadian cities, was later pulled, with the Liberal Party saying the ad had been circulated in error.

The commercials are some of the most negative yet, suggesting Harper is anti-Atlantic Canada, hides an agenda similar to former Ontario premier Mike Harris and that his rise to leadership was bankrolled by rich American right-wingers.

David Akin's blog and comments
Rosemary Thompson's blog and comments
Conservatives quickly slammed the ads, calling them a desperate attempt to distract voters from the "Liberal record of scandal."

"As we predicted, the Liberals have stepped up their campaign of negative and personal attacks on our leader and our party," John Reynolds, the Conservative campaign co-chair said. "These latest ads are similar to the ads that we saw in the last campaign – guns pointed into people's faces and dishonest misrepresentations of our policies."

Indeed, voters may be reminded of the 2004 election, when a concerted effort to cast fear into the hearts of voters paid-off, reversing polls and pulling the Liberals into the lead at the last minute.

Media analyst Chris Winsor told CTV Newsnet the ads have the risk of backfiring on the Liberals, because they don't mesh with the new image Canadians have of Harper.

"The campaign Stephen Harper has run and the image he has presented to Canadians through the debates and continually since we've been at this is dramatic opposed to the Stephen Harper presented in these ads," Winsor said.

The new ads each feature unflattering close-ups of Harper's face, are accompanied by war-like drumming, and end with the newly-minted Liberal campaign slogan, "Choose Your Canada."

A female announcer challenges his credibility in a number of areas. Perhaps the most far-flung of the ads suggests conservative U.S. donors played a key role in Harper's career.

"Who paid for Stephen Harper's rise to the head of the party?" asks the voice. "We don't know. He refuses to reveal his donors. What do you suppose he's hiding? We do know he's very popular with right wingers in the U.S. They have money, maybe they helped him. We just don't know. He just won't say."

The ads also attack Harper's position on Atlantic Canada. One ad quotes Harper as saying "unfortunately many people in Atlantic Canada feel that it's only through government favours there will be economic progress."

Another closely compares Harper to former Ontario premier Mike Harris.

"Like Stephen Harper, Mike Harris had a right wing agenda. Remember the Common Sense Revolution? Remember the environmental neglect, the shattered social programs, the crumbling schools and hospitals, the huge deficits? Yeah, that Common Sense Revolution. Do we really want to go down that road again?"

The ads also:

Attack Harper's comments to an American think-tank in Montreal when he called the U.S. a light and inspiration to Canadians and the world;
Claim Harper will either have to raise taxes or run a deficit to pay for his campaign promises;
Quote Harper on private health care in the provinces, saying "Why should I care? Why should the federal government how they're managed."
Claim Harper and Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe have a close relationship that will not benefit national unity;
Claim that Harper once said Liberal ridings in the west of Canada are either dominated by recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada;
Report comments Harper made to an American audience, advising them not to feel bad for Canada's unemployed, who receive "generous social assistance and unemployment assistance," and that Canada is content to become a second-tier social country;
Quote a U.S. newspaper editorial that described Harper as the most pro-U.S. leader in the western world.
 

Citizen

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Hank C said:
http://www.ctv.ca//servlet/ArticleN...s_060110/20060110?s_name=election2006&no_ads=

Liberals release new series of attack ads

A barrage of new Liberal attack ads take direct aim at Conservative Leader Stephen Harper.

A dozen 30-second advertisements intended for television were posted on the Liberal web site Tuesday afternoon, with every ad clearly targeting the Tory leader's policies.

One of the ads however, suggesting Harper would put military personnel in Canadian cities, was later pulled, with the Liberal Party saying the ad had been circulated in error.

The commercials are some of the most negative yet, suggesting Harper is anti-Atlantic Canada, hides an agenda similar to former Ontario premier Mike Harris and that his rise to leadership was bankrolled by rich American right-wingers.

David Akin's blog and comments
Rosemary Thompson's blog and comments
Conservatives quickly slammed the ads, calling them a desperate attempt to distract voters from the "Liberal record of scandal."

"As we predicted, the Liberals have stepped up their campaign of negative and personal attacks on our leader and our party," John Reynolds, the Conservative campaign co-chair said. "These latest ads are similar to the ads that we saw in the last campaign – guns pointed into people's faces and dishonest misrepresentations of our policies."

Indeed, voters may be reminded of the 2004 election, when a concerted effort to cast fear into the hearts of voters paid-off, reversing polls and pulling the Liberals into the lead at the last minute.

Media analyst Chris Winsor told CTV Newsnet the ads have the risk of backfiring on the Liberals, because they don't mesh with the new image Canadians have of Harper.

"The campaign Stephen Harper has run and the image he has presented to Canadians through the debates and continually since we've been at this is dramatic opposed to the Stephen Harper presented in these ads," Winsor said.

The new ads each feature unflattering close-ups of Harper's face, are accompanied by war-like drumming, and end with the newly-minted Liberal campaign slogan, "Choose Your Canada."

A female announcer challenges his credibility in a number of areas. Perhaps the most far-flung of the ads suggests conservative U.S. donors played a key role in Harper's career.

"Who paid for Stephen Harper's rise to the head of the party?" asks the voice. "We don't know. He refuses to reveal his donors. What do you suppose he's hiding? We do know he's very popular with right wingers in the U.S. They have money, maybe they helped him. We just don't know. He just won't say."

The ads also attack Harper's position on Atlantic Canada. One ad quotes Harper as saying "unfortunately many people in Atlantic Canada feel that it's only through government favours there will be economic progress."

Another closely compares Harper to former Ontario premier Mike Harris.

"Like Stephen Harper, Mike Harris had a right wing agenda. Remember the Common Sense Revolution? Remember the environmental neglect, the shattered social programs, the crumbling schools and hospitals, the huge deficits? Yeah, that Common Sense Revolution. Do we really want to go down that road again?"

The ads also:

Attack Harper's comments to an American think-tank in Montreal when he called the U.S. a light and inspiration to Canadians and the world;
Claim Harper will either have to raise taxes or run a deficit to pay for his campaign promises;
Quote Harper on private health care in the provinces, saying "Why should I care? Why should the federal government how they're managed."
Claim Harper and Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe have a close relationship that will not benefit national unity;
Claim that Harper once said Liberal ridings in the west of Canada are either dominated by recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada;
Report comments Harper made to an American audience, advising them not to feel bad for Canada's unemployed, who receive "generous social assistance and unemployment assistance," and that Canada is content to become a second-tier social country;
Quote a U.S. newspaper editorial that described Harper as the most pro-U.S. leader in the western world.

Is there a point to that post?

The conservatives have been airing attack ads against the liberals for some time now.
 

Hank C

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With the Torys ahead in every english speaking province and just pushing past the Liberals in Quebec, I guess Paul Martin and his Party have nothing to loose so why not try. I have a feeling that the negative ads will have the opposite effect for the Liberals....but we have to wait and see.
 

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In all fairness, I have not yet seen a positive ad released by the Conservative Party of Canada. Not a single one of them promotes the party's own agenda and policies; rather, they attack the Liberal Party of Canada, exclusively.
 

Citizen

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The conservative ads have highlighted the shenanigans that went on under Chretien's leadership. That's what I find most repulsive about those ads - none of them are an indictment against Paul Martin himself.

The liberal ads highlight Harper's on record comments over the years. I find them to be far more telling.
 

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the majority of the Conservative ads are positive and tell of different party policies, just go to their website and see for yourself. The Libs have about the same percentage of positive/negative ads as the Conservatives do, the only difference is the Cons put theirs out when they had momentum, and that momentum has further increased, whereas the Libs put theirs out while they were falling badly in the polls. I guess we'll wait and see how the public will react these ones, but honestly, I see the same affect to these ads to what happened to the Cons in 2004.
 

Hank C

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yballa09 said:
I guess we'll wait and see how the public will react these ones, but honestly, I see the same affect to these ads to what happened to the Cons in 2004.

I have to agree with you....looks like the tables have turned this time around.......and yes the Conservatives have negative ads too but I think the timing of these ads will backfire on the Liberals as people all over the country seem disgusted with Liberals. With Harpers poll numbers now passing Martin in Quebec...the news will hit the Ontario populace and they will possibly warm up even further to the Torys. I don't know the numbers but I believe that the CPC has passed the Grits in Ontario.
 

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The difference between the Conservative attack ads, and the Liberal attacks ads, is that the Conservative attack ads are at least somewhat grounded in objective reality, and are not personal in nature. The worse, in my opinion, that you can say about the Conservative attack ads is that they take qoutes out of context (which, in all honesty, is difficult not to do with political ads given the sound-bite mentality of our culture/society).

These Liberal attack ads are downright slimey, in my view. The military one in particular... it was a frankly disgusting, and despicable attack ad. It was connected to Harper's perfectly reasonable policy position that we should have Canadian military bases closer to Canadian cities so we can have faster re-action times to severe weather conditions and/or potential terrorist threats.

This awful ad takes that policy position, and then turns around and actually attempts to make Harper look like nothing short of Mussolini because of it!

Also, these ads are as about as subjective as you can get. They try to pass off political opinion as indisputable fact. I can't say that I like that.

I'd like to know the lady who does the voice-over for these ads. Man... she must be one nasty person judging by her tone of voice in these ads!
 

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Re: RE: Desperate Liberals Release Attack Ads on Torys

Citizen said:
The conservative ads have highlighted the shenanigans that went on under Chretien's leadership. That's what I find most repulsive about those ads - none of them are an indictment against Paul Martin himself.

The liberal ads highlight Harper's on record comments over the years. I find them to be far more telling.

Odd. I see things exactly the opposite as you do.
There's nothing "repulsive" about the Conservative attack ads at all.

If a person votes for Paul Martin in this campaign they're not just voting for Paul Martin... they're voting for the Liberals. Like it or not, the Jean Chretien government of the past is very much connected to today's Liberal party, with numerous hold-over Liberal MPs from that era. It's perfectly fair, and reasonable, to critisize a political party as a whole for the sins of its recent past... particularly when there's no evidence whatsoever suggesting that this party has gone to considerable lengths to redeem itself for these past sins.

Also, as a Canadian, I perfer attack ads to be more about general political party behavior instead of about one particular politican. The latter is far more personal, and hence emotional and potentially nasty.

These attack ads by the Liberals are profoundly personal, and each and every one of them focus' in on one man. On one politician. Do the Liberals have nothing to say about the Conservative party as a whole? Or do they perfer to smear one man?
 

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Re: RE: Desperate Liberals Release Attack Ads on Torys

Triple_R said:
If a person votes for Paul Martin in this campaign they're not just voting for Paul Martin... they're voting for the Liberals. Like it or not, the Jean Chretien government of the past is very much connected to today's Liberal party, with numerous hold-over Liberal MPs from that era.

True, however, none of those sitting holdovers have been charged with any crime. What I find repulsive about the conservative ads is they clearly imply the current liberal government is corrupt, without any proof whatsoever. I'm surprised the sitting liberals aren't reading over the slander laws right about now.

These attack ads by the Liberals are profoundly personal, and each and every one of them focus' in on one man. On one politician.

Well of course they focus on Harper, since he's the one vying for the top job. The rest of them are his peons.

Do the Liberals have nothing to say about the Conservative party as a whole? Or do they perfer to smear one man?

The liberals have spoken out against conservative policies many times.
 

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Re: RE: Desperate Liberals Release Attack Ads on Torys

FiveParadox said:
Well, if you'd smear the Liberal Party on the actions of Jean Chrétien, then doing the same for Mr. Harper is just as fair.

It wasn't just Jean Chretien. It was far broader than just him.

Liberals are fond of pointing out that Paul Martin was personally exonerated in the Gomery Inquiries, but they neglect to admit that virtually nobody else that were essentially on trial in those inquiries were.

In fairness, some of the new Liberal attack ads, while they frankly don't appeal to me, don't bother me that much. I think that the one involving Harper's previous comments on Atlantic Canada is fair. I can even let slide the one where it insinuates that Harper might be getting funded by rich American conservatives, since, after all, the Liberals are getting hurt largely by speculation on the Income Trusts' issue.

However, the military one is troubling to me. It's ads like that one that lead to debates where everybody is walking on egg shells, and afriad to make any concrete/in-depth policy proposals that are the least bit controversial. It does bother me that a perfectly reasonably policy position can be used to try to make you look like some sort of maritial law iron-fisted dictator. :x
 

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Citizen said:
Triple_R said:
If a person votes for Paul Martin in this campaign they're not just voting for Paul Martin... they're voting for the Liberals. Like it or not, the Jean Chretien government of the past is very much connected to today's Liberal party, with numerous hold-over Liberal MPs from that era.

True, however, none of those sitting holdovers have been charged with any crime. What I find repulsive about the conservative ads is they clearly imply the current liberal government is corrupt, without any proof whatsoever. I'm surprised the sitting liberals aren't reading over the slander laws right about now.

There is proof. It's not just the Sponsorship Scandal. It's also the new scandal involving Option Canada coming from out of Quebec. There's LOADS of proof here. Have you not followed this scandal coming out of Quebec?

Beyond that, I don't think it's unfair to label accusations of corruption and scandal against a party that is being investigated left, right, and center by the RCMP. Look, I've followed politics long enough to know that high-ranking political officials almost never get caught for their crimes. These people are pros - they know how to hide the evidence, and make sure that they're never completely caught.

With political governments, I don't think that we need flat-out convictions for proof of corruption/scandal. Numerous different, and unrelated, investigations alone (off the top of my head, I can think of three in the past few weeks alone) does cast an image of impropriety, and I do think that the burden is on the political party being investigate to show how they're not corrupt when all these scandals are plaguing them.

I mean, if it's just one scandal, fine. But when it's three or more completely unrelated different scandals all going on at the same time... that's an awful lot of smoke to simply ignore, or in my opinion, by naive about.