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[Redmonton_Rebel]

Why are almost all the stickies here on the climate change subforum about denial of the issue when most of the science is in support of Anthropogenic Global Warming.

From what I've seen here most people post opinions as evidence that climate change isn't happening as opposed to real science, is this just a continuation of the political agenda of the current Conservative government?

There are millions of Canadians who accept that there is a credible case behind climate change and that we as emitters of GHGs have a responsibility to do something positive about the issue. Where is their equal standing here?

 

[Goober]

Why are almost all the stickies here on the climate change subforum about denial of the issue when most of the science is in support of Anthropogenic Global Warming.

From what I've seen here most people post opinions as evidence that climate change isn't happening as opposed to real science, is this just a continuation of the political agenda of the current Conservative government?

There are millions of Canadians who accept that there is a credible case behind climate change and that we as emitters of GHGs have a responsibility to do something positive about the issue. Where is their equal standing here?

Might I mention Mr. Higgs- laughed at professionally for years- told he was ruining his career. Guess he was right, all the rest were wrong.
And this years Nobel prize goes to............

Get the point.

 

[Redmonton_Rebel]

No I don't and that's the problem as I see it here, posters who claim to know so much about the issue to the point where they keep telling us that climate change and it's human linkage are completely wrong, also post no real evidence. Just obscure references and pointed putdowns.

It's amazing how the scientists are all completely wrong and the comedians have it all figured out. They do know how to screw with language and peoples heads, when it comes to the science they are either clueless or dishonest about the evidence.

 

[Goober]

No I don't and that's the problem as I see it here, posters who claim to know so much about the issue to the point where they keep telling us that climate change and it's human linkage are completely wrong, also post no real evidence. Just obscure references and pointed putdowns.

It's amazing how the scientists are all completely wrong and the comedians have it all figured out. They do know how to screw with language and peoples heads, when it comes to the science they are either clueless or dishonest about the evidence.

Not me- CC is coming and Govt's along with people will not give up what they have, the emerging countries will not give up what the want to have. So get ready- argue about till the cows come home.

 

[Redmonton_Rebel]

Not me- CC is coming and Govt's along with people will not give up what they have, the emerging countries will not give up what the want to have. So get ready- argue about till the cows come home.

It's not about giving up, it's about changing, something we're supposed to be naturals at.

And the evidence indicates that if we keep going down the road we're on then we're most likely going to lose everything we have anyway. People can't live without food, water and homes for long.

This argument will have an endpoint, there's some of us who like to see it be a positive one.

 

[lone wolf]

You're barking up the wrong tree in an internet forum....

 

[Goober]

It's not about giving up, it's about changing, something we're supposed to be naturals at.

And the evidence indicates that if we keep going down the road we're on then we're most likely going to lose everything we have anyway. People can't live without food, water and homes for long.

This argument will have an endpoint, there's some of us who like to see it be a positive one.

There is a solution- radical pruning of the world population. We have known for 30-40 years that fisheries were unsustainable in some areas- that has increased to many swaths and numerpus species of fish- We allow people to fish sharks for their fins. And we cannot get our shinola together just on fisheries. Do you see where I am going.

Like I said - Get an AC unit.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Why are almost all the stickies here on the climate change subforum about denial of the issue when most of the science is in support of Anthropogenic Global Warming.

It's the paranoid conspiracy theory meme coupled with ignorance. Maybe that's a bit redundant. There are people who will deny any important claim from any recognized authority, like science or the government or the medical profession, and generally they make more noise than people who accept it as true. Consider, for instance, the anti-vaccination folks, the 9-11 conspiracy theorists, the UFO crowd, the Holocaust deniers...

There is a solution- radical pruning of the world population.

Just take the warning labels off everything potentially dangerous, natural selection will do the rest.

 

[Redmonton_Rebel]

You're barking up the wrong tree in an internet forum....

So it's fine for the version of reality that's based almost exclusively on politics and money to trump the facts?

Reality doesn't go away because some people spin it to the point it no longer makes sense to many people. The reality behind the facts is still there, constantly shooting the messengers may be fun, but it's also very self-destructive.

No doubt there are people here who would cheer the end of the world as we know it, should they be given priority is my question?

 

[Goober]

So it's fine for the version of reality that's based almost exclusively on politics and money to trump the facts?

Reality doesn't go away because some people spin it to the point it no longer makes sense to many people. The reality behind the facts is still there, constantly shooting the messengers may be fun, but it's also very self-destructive.

No doubt there are people here who would cheer the end of the world as we know it, should they be given priority is my question?

Oh there are only a few shootings- We need massive depopulation in order to avoid CC-

Population over 7 Billion and rising- Probable - 500- 1 Billion is the limit.

Anyone care to step up- and give their life to avoid CC. Oh yes- Not you but you have others in mind. Just as I thought.

 

[Redmonton_Rebel]

Oh there are only a few shootings- We need massive depopulation in order to avoid CC-

Population over 7 Billion and rising- Probable - 500- 1 Billion is the limit.

Anyone care to step up- and give their life to avoid CC. Oh yes- Not you but you have others in mind. Just as I thought.

I don't know anyone who's serious about responsible mitigation proposing culling people.

I do know from sources like this:

Climate Wars: How Peak Oil and the Climate Crisis Will Change Canada (And ... - Gwynne Dyer - Google Books

Who claim that government organizations including militaries are already planning for wars that will potentially kill billions of people in the coming decades. We could have half the current global population in 2050 due to the effects of un-mitigated climate change.

 

[skookumchuck]

So it's fine for the version of reality that's based almost exclusively on politics and money to trump the facts?

Reality doesn't go away because some people spin it to the point it no longer makes sense to many people. The reality behind the facts is still there, constantly shooting the messengers may be fun, but it's also very self-destructive.

No doubt there are people here who would cheer the end of the world as we know it, should they be given priority is my question?

Sucks when it's not the choir your preaching to. You are dealing with a varied group of people, denigrating and scolding does not work well with mature folks who are not thrilled with the "we are right THIS time" crowd.

"should they be given priority is my question?"
How arrogant.

 

[taxslave]

I don't know anyone who's serious about responsible mitigation proposing culling people.

I do know from sources like this:

Climate Wars: How Peak Oil and the Climate Crisis Will Change Canada (And ... - Gwynne Dyer - Google Books

Who claim that government organizations including militaries are already planning for wars that will potentially kill billions of people in the coming decades. We could have half the current global population in 2050 due to the effects of un-mitigated climate change.

And that is why nothing will happen. Because people like you are in denial and expect everyone else to make sacrifices except you. Eliminating about 75% of the population is the only way to achieve your stated goal. Even your god Suzuki has admitted this, but he like you does not have the courage of his convictions.
The only question is do we shoot you or wait until things get so bad that you all die on your own? Then the rest of us can carry on with our lives.

 

[lone wolf]

So it's fine for the version of reality that's based almost exclusively on politics and money to trump the facts?

Reality doesn't go away because some people spin it to the point it no longer makes sense to many people. The reality behind the facts is still there, constantly shooting the messengers may be fun, but it's also very self-destructive.

No doubt there are people here who would cheer the end of the world as we know it, should they be given priority is my question?

Whatever floats your boat....

Some people just can't be bothered obsessing and stressing over things they can't change and work on the things they can. Very rarely, if at all, will you meet the people who can effect big change on an internet forum.

 

[CDNBear]

Where is their equal standing here?

Buried under your hyperbole and BS.

It's the paranoid conspiracy theory meme coupled with ignorance. Maybe that's a bit redundant. There are people who will deny any important claim from any recognized authority, like science or the government or the medical profession, and generally they make more noise than people who accept it as true. Consider, for instance, the anti-vaccination folks, the 9-11 conspiracy theorists, the UFO crowd, the Holocaust deniers...

Then there are those of us that are just tired of the condescension, hyperbole, BS, schemes, cries for kneejerk reaction and nonsense that find their way into the posts by the averge AGW proponent.

Ever notice it's only the true nutters and trolls that mock members like you and Ton when it comes to the science?

Just take the warning labels off everything potentially dangerous, natural selection will do the rest.

So it's fine for the version of reality that's based almost exclusively on politics and money to trump the facts?

Why not? Your posts contain as much facts as they contain political hyperbole and BS.

I don't know anyone who's serious about responsible mitigation proposing culling people.

You once told me you didn't care that peoples lives were tied to oil.

Your belief in the immediate ending of our dependency on oil, would have the same affect as a global population cull. If not worse.

 

[petros]

Get the point.

No I don't and that's the problem....

Holy ****. Progress!

 

[CDNBear]

Holy ****. Progress!

+1000 for making LOL for real!

 

[L Gilbert]

We could have half the current global population in 2050 due to the effects of un-mitigated climate change.

Well, first there are people mitigating (or at least attempting to mitgate it) and secondly, a drastic reduction in human population is a bad thing (asking from a global perspective)?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Ever notice it's only the true nutters and trolls that mock members like you and Ton when it comes to the science?

Yeah, that's pretty hard to miss, and not just on the subject of AGW, but the best of them are at least entertaining sometimes, like the dim rodent's electric universe nonsense and support for Velikovsky's crackpot notions. And of course some of them just can't think clearly.

But the AGW issue seems pretty clear to me now. There's no doubt the climate's warming, the data on that are incontrovertible, and not just in temperature records, there's other information fully consistent with it, like areas of snow cover, Arctic ice cover, changing ranges of plants and animals, stuff like that. For a long time the complexity of teasing out the human contribution to it remained problematical. It seemed to be just about at the noise level in the data. No more; I'm now convinced AGW is real.

I'm also convinced, and have been for a long time, that the real issues at the heart of all environmental problems, not just AGW, are population and lifestyle. There are just too many humans living at too high a level of consumption, we've become a plague on the planet. Nature has ways of dealing with plagues, and they're not very nice. The planet will be fine, it--and life in general--has survived far worse than what we're doing, as described in an interesting little book called "Under a Green Sky" by Dr. Peter D. Ward, but humans may not be fine.

 

[L Gilbert]

Pretty much, Dex.