Criminals are treated like kings
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I think there needs to be a balance...no we should not be torturing these people, however prison should be a highly unpleasant place with only the bare essentials ...anything considered luxury "such as a tv" ...should not be billed to the taxpayer.
Balanced Approach
I, too, would assert that there needs to be a very balanced approach in relation to the treatment of those who have been imprisoned.
As for "luxuries" such as television, I am in favour of their being placed in prisons; however, they should be programmed to display only CPAC, the respective Legislature broadcast channels, and perhaps a news network. All citizens of Canada, whether or not they are imprisoned, should have the right to be informed of the state of the nation, in my opinion, and to have unabridged access to the proceedings of the House of Commons.
I, too, would assert that there needs to be a very balanced approach in relation to the treatment of those who have been imprisoned.
As for "luxuries" such as television, I am in favour of their being placed in prisons; however, they should be programmed to display only CPAC, the respective Legislature broadcast channels, and perhaps a news network. All citizens of Canada, whether or not they are imprisoned, should have the right to be informed of the state of the nation, in my opinion, and to have unabridged access to the proceedings of the House of Commons.
When I say more harshly, I mean longer sentences for serious crimes not torture. Canada is not Iran, Saudi Arabia, or North Korea.
Sentences in Canada
In my opinion, sentences in Canada need to be reworked; we need to ensure that those who pose a danger to society are imprisoned for an adequate period of time. However, in my opinion, the sentences for those who commit crimes that do not pose a thread to society itself (such as tax evasion, for example) should be lessened (in terms of prison time), and alternative sentences be issued.
This would ensure that those who pose a proven danger to society would be isolated from the general population, and that our prison system would not be "bogged down" with minor, or at the least non-dangerous, offences.
In my opinion, sentences in Canada need to be reworked; we need to ensure that those who pose a danger to society are imprisoned for an adequate period of time. However, in my opinion, the sentences for those who commit crimes that do not pose a thread to society itself (such as tax evasion, for example) should be lessened (in terms of prison time), and alternative sentences be issued.
This would ensure that those who pose a proven danger to society would be isolated from the general population, and that our prison system would not be "bogged down" with minor, or at the least non-dangerous, offences.
I disagree that criminals should be on a steady diet of CPAC. Many Canadians would consider that to be torture. lol
Obviously we need longer sentencing guidelines, however, to state that criminals are treated like kings is a stretch. Imagine spending x years in a 4x6 cage. Hardly the stuff of kings. lol
Obviously we need longer sentencing guidelines, however, to state that criminals are treated like kings is a stretch. Imagine spending x years in a 4x6 cage. Hardly the stuff of kings. lol
Uncle_Jalapeno said:
In that case yes I do believe we need longer sentences. I would like to see 1st degree homicide carry a life sentence "as in for the rest of you natural life!" To take it a step further I would also advocate the death penalty for those proven guilty in the 1st degree and have DNA evidence proving guilt. I think a system in which provinces have more say in their criminal laws would be acceptable...for example Alberta may wish to proceed with Capital Punishment while other provinces may not.
The death penalty is an icky subject. I watched an interview with the governor of Virginia a few weeks ago. He was talking about the fact that he stayed a recent execution due too a recent discovery in the case that could exonerate the man.
The interviewer asked his personal views on execution. He said it is the most agonizing part of his job because once it is done there is no turning back. He felt that there are some crimes that are so heinous that warrant the forfeit of the offenders life (ie Timothy McVeigh), to set the social bar to at least the degree where execution of the prisoner is not debated whole heartedly.
I also see a problem with the imprisonment for the rest of your natural life without any possibility of parole or release. I mean this person has lost it all, so what else does he have left too lose. This offender could be worse off in jail as he could run amok and kill others (what are they going to do double his eternity).
Its hard because its all this emphasis on a criminal’s well being while the victim is left rather out of the loop (wherther they are alive or dead). I believe in strict penalties set forth properly by skilled judges who can judge the weight of an offender’s crime and fine a suitable punishment.
The interviewer asked his personal views on execution. He said it is the most agonizing part of his job because once it is done there is no turning back. He felt that there are some crimes that are so heinous that warrant the forfeit of the offenders life (ie Timothy McVeigh), to set the social bar to at least the degree where execution of the prisoner is not debated whole heartedly.
I also see a problem with the imprisonment for the rest of your natural life without any possibility of parole or release. I mean this person has lost it all, so what else does he have left too lose. This offender could be worse off in jail as he could run amok and kill others (what are they going to do double his eternity).
Its hard because its all this emphasis on a criminal’s well being while the victim is left rather out of the loop (wherther they are alive or dead). I believe in strict penalties set forth properly by skilled judges who can judge the weight of an offender’s crime and fine a suitable punishment.
there is too much leeway in sentencing guidelines now and that needs reworking. like the one TV channel idea, but suggest it be the religious one.
yes people like Tiothy McVeigh need to be executed.....in Canada a similar case would be Paul Bernardo or Olson...worst of the worst. The thing is that in Alberta the majority of people do support the death penalty for such people.........so I think we should have that right over here to carry out capital punishment....
now while I understand that the capital punishment may be a little too much for some, actual life sentences should be no problem. The victim who was killed in 1st degree does not get a second chance...neither should the killer. I am strongly against the faint hope clause.......
Think about it...if a 20 year old man kills your family, he might only spend 15 years in jail before he gets parole...that means he will be out at 35 and live a free life, is this justice!
And, if the killer is a minor, he can be free and walking the streets at age 21. Down with The Young Offender's Act. The general public wouldn't even know the person was a convicted murderer as the names can't be published.
I think Layton finally got it right for the NDP. Toupher punishment but at the same time attack the roots of the problem with social programs. I'm happy with the NDP on this issue. In the 90's they had very weak policy on crime as it was too one sided.
exactaly.... and I have to say that out of all the parties, Harper's Torys have the best policy specifically addressing this problem.
I agree, I hopefully the Conservatives and the NDP will be able to work together on this issue....
Hank C said:
I know a lot of Neo-cons in the CPC and a lot of Socialist (like marxists) in the NDP don't think they can find common ground. But lets hope the social democrat's and the tory's and all the other moderates in both parties rule the day.
I think both parties have common ground as long as they both act like moderates. Don't change too much and change the things we agree on and run a CLEAN government. I think a NDP-CPC government would help both parties make inroads across Canada.
I sure hope so....this election is about making the Liberals pay!! While I fundamentaly do not agree with the NDP very often, I will admit that they do deserve more seats, especially at the expense of the Liberals. There are a few issue I hope these 2 parties can work together on, so we can avoid the Liberals attempts in trying to sabotage the govt.... I also believe if the Torys come up with a strong/realistic made in Canada plan to reduce emmisions hopefully we can get the NDP on side....
Some people say criminals are the victims of social exclusion. Does that mean they shouldn't be punished for what they do. Whatever happened to personal responsibility.