Creepy Canadian App Gives Citizens Points for Making Government-Approved Choices

Johnnny

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Ontario announced earlier this month that it will become the fourth Canadian government to fund a behavioral modification application that rewards users for making “good choices” in regards to health, finance, and the environment. The Carrot Rewards smartphone app, which will receive $1.5 million from the Ontario government, credits users’ accounts with points toward the reward program of their choice in exchange for reaching step goals, taking quizzes and surveys, and engaging in government-approved messages.

The app, funded by the Canadian federal government and developed by Toronto-based company CARROT Insights in 2015, is sponsored by a number of companies offering reward points for their services as an incentive to “learn” how to improve wellness and budget finances. According to CARROT Insights, “All offers are designed by sources you can trust like the BC Ministry of Health, Newfoundland and Labrador Government, the Heart and Stroke Foundation, the Canadian Diabetes Association, and YMCA.” Users can choose to receive rewards for companies including SCENE, Aeroplan, Petro-Canada, or More Rewards, a loyalty program that partners with other businesses.

Carrot Rewards is free to download, and users receive 200 points just by downloading the app and answering a few questions (the answers don’t have to be correct). Sending an invitation code to friends will also gain users points, as the government is happy to track the daily activity of as many citizens as possible — which, by the way, the app can do even when it is not “active.” In order to use the app, users are giving Carrot Insights and the federal government permission to “access and collect information from your mobile device, including but not limited to, geo-location data, accelerometer/gyroscope data, your mobile device’s camera, microphone, contacts, calendar and Bluetooth connectivity in order to operate additional functionalities of the Services.”

Founder and CEO of CARROT Insights Andreas Souvaliotis launched the app in 2015 “with a focus on health but the company and its partner governments quickly realized it was effective at modifying behavior in other areas as well,” according to CTV News.

The Canadian government is asking citizens to track their activity and modify their behavior by dangling a carrot on a stick, and it’s working. While still voluntary, the Carrot app is eerily similar to social credit systems in China, which not only offer rewards for compliance but also punishments for “trust-breakers,” who may face “penalties on subsidies, career progression, asset ownership and the ability to receive honorary titles from the Chinese government.” Though current applications of the social credit systems are unconnected, there has been a push in the country to combine them into one government-run program.

As Creemers, a researcher specializing in Chinese law and governance at the Van Vollenhoven Institute at Leiden University told CNBC:

“China has huge problems with legal compliance so the regime conclusion was that since existing methods of generating compliance were not sufficient, they would step up their game with extra punishment. The system merely uses information the government already has on its citizens in a more coercive way.”

Currently, the Carrot Rewards app is limited to citizens in Ontario, Newfoundland, and Labrador, and British Columbia, but according to the website, it will soon be harvesting personal data and modifying the behavior of Canadians across the entire country.
 

justlooking

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Awesome get free some for being healthy.. great idea.


Why am I not surprised you are a 'bend over for the gov't dick cuz they know best' kinda drone ?

 

Johnnny

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Awesome get free some for being healthy.. great idea.

Like i said its voluntary

But if people need to earn "points" to eat well and exercise as an incentive to live a healthy life then thats a sign that we are "letting ourselves go".

If you need an app to stay healthy then you need to move back home with your parents.

My beef is that like with the majority of apps, why do these apps require access to your microphone and camera when its not really relevant to the purpose of the app?
 

B00Mer

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Like i said its voluntary

But if people need to earn "points" to eat well and exercise as an incentive to live a healthy life then thats a sign that we are "letting ourselves go".

If you need an app to stay healthy then you need to move back home with your parents.

My beef is that like with the majority of apps, why do these apps require access to your microphone and camera when its not really relevant to the purpose of the app?

It's giving people an incentive.. free points to spend on items..

Why am I not surprised you are a 'bend over for the gov't dick cuz they know best' kinda drone ?

:lol: yeah, sure ..
 

White_Unifier

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What a pain in the azz. So now it's not enough for me to just eat healthy and take care of my health. Now I'll have to register all of that onto my app afterwards too. Just more work, no?
 

Johnnny

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What a pain in the azz. So now it's not enough for me to just eat healthy and take care of my health. Now I'll have to register all of that onto my app afterwards too. Just more work, no?

No you don't "have to", i said its voluntary.

My beef is why do they have to data-mine your camera?

I understand the majority of apps do this, and its getting to the point that these isn't going to be much choice in personal privacy anymore. This is going to be especially true with people who can't help themselves.

Whatever im over it
 

White_Unifier

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1. it's voluntary, and

2. you earn free foods and items if you do it.

Let's compare.

1. The government does not waste money on this app.

a. The government spends less money so I might see my taxes drop or at least stabilize one day.

b. I shop, cook, and eat healthy.

c. I exercise.

2. the government waste money on this app.

a. I could see another tax increase in the future.

b. after shopping, cooking, and eating healthy, I know have to fiddle with the app to get some of my money back.

c. After exercising, I need to fiddle with the app to get some of that money back.

So, pray tell, how do I benefit from being blackmailed with my own money to now need to fiddle with an app?
 

White_Unifier

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You want to improve people's health in a more effective manner? Teach kids in school how to cook healthy meals and how to ride a bicycle or snowshoe or cross-country ski as modes of transportation according to local climate.

That way, they'll know how to care for themselves.

Then, raise taxes on junk but not healthy foods. So now you give them an incentive to apply their knowledge.

Now, if you want money from the junk food tax to fund this app, great, but not from general revenue otherwise we then have to play the app just to get our money back. That's like blackmail.
 

Johnnny

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Its like for example will my car insurance go down if i download an app on my phone that works while my phone is plugged into the car charger that records my driving habits?

The thing is though it will data-mine my internet history, camera archives, microphone etc...

Its not like anyone is forcing me to get it, i could always pay a higher insurance rate... :-/
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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What a pain in the azz. So now it's not enough for me to just eat healthy and take care of my health. Now I'll have to register all of that onto my app afterwards too. Just more work, no?

No, you can eat what you want and register a healthy meal into the app to earn even more points. Nobody says you can`t lie.
 

White_Unifier

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That cost Tax Money..

Yes, but it's education. As for the tax, it goes directly towards modifying behaviour without people needing to waste time fiddling with an app.

Plus, how doe the app know we're not lying to get points?