Clinton says....

[Jay]

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...913&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467

Clinton said Canada should examine similar health-care systems — in Germany, Denmark or Sweden, for instance — that have solved problems such as overly long waiting times.

So now we just have to convince the ever aging population of last generationers in Canada who refuse to budge on this issue.....how much longer will we have to wait?

 

[HonestAbe]

I'd say 127 years, minimum. Sorry bro.

 

[Jay]

I'm afraid your right Abe...

 

[#juan]

Jay wrote:

So now we just have to convince the ever aging population of last generationers in Canada who refuse to budge on this issue.....how much longer will we have to wait?

Wait for what? To have American insurance companies run our medical system? The American system is an abortion. The Canadian system is cheaper/capita by a substantial amount. Even Clinton admits that.

 

[Jay]

I agree it is cheaper, and that might be what some are after, but not me. I want everyone to have access to good quality, timely service.

Clinton admits we need to follow another model too. I think we should pursue that immediately. One way would be allow people who can afford their own healthcare to step up and pay for it.

To me it seems so simple but it's such a tough sell.

 

[Vicious]

A prime example of typical liberal Canadian thinking. Someone wants to discuss other systems of healthcare and immediately the assumption is that the Americans will get in a wreak havoc. The countries mentioned were Sweden, Germany and Denmark, not the US. So take the Canadian flag from around your shoulders and put back up the flag pole where it belongs.

Or as they used to say in Kamloops 'Reef Uck Inlax'.

 

[HonestAbe]

Re: RE: Clinton says....

A prime example of typical liberal Canadian thinking. Someone wants to discuss other systems of healthcare and immediately the assumption is that the Americans will get in a wreak havoc. The countries mentioned were Sweden, Germany and Denmark, not the US. So take the Canadian flag from around your shoulders and put back up the flag pole where it belongs.

Or as they used to say in Kamloops 'Reef Uck Inlax'.

Serially.

 

[#juan]

One way would be allow people who can afford their own healthcare to step up and pay for it.

That statement is from pure ignorance. You don't know what you are saying. There is no way the average guy can afford to pay for his own health care. Have a look ate the personal bankruptcies in the states. A large percentage are people who have had recent health problems.

If we were to adapt a Scandinavian system, we would have to put our doctors on salary, which is probably a good idea but can't you just hear the screaming of the M.D.s?

 

[Jay]

Your right, no American can afford their own health care. You right everyone is bankrupt in the US, and besides I said those who can afford it, but everyone knows that no one can.

 

[#juan]

Now you are being silly. That is not what I said, and you know it.

 

[I think not]

Jay, you're a glutton for punishment for starting this thread. If you want to talk health care in Canada, stay away from the following words:

America
American
Any American citizen or politician even bringing up the issue (like Clinton)
US
Private
Semi-Private
Fractionally Private
American Pharmaceutical Companies
American Insurance Companies
For profit health care
Don't even look South when you're typing up your post

 

[Jay]

I simply disagree with Juan. I think I can afford my own healthcare, I also think he could afford his too, but I don't know for sure.

 

[Jay]

Quebec minister urges a health care user-fee debate

QUEBEC — The need to examine user fees to fund the health-care system is at our doorsteps and Canada cannot escape a public debate on this controversial issue much longer, Quebec's Health and Social Services Minister says

Thirty-five years later, Mr. Castonguay, who has since worked for private insurance companies, has come full circle. He is now calling on the Quebec government to join Alberta and British Columbia to press Ottawa into changing the Canada Health Act in order to allow provinces to introduce user fees.

"If Quebec added its voice to that of Alberta and British Colombia, the Canadian government would have to re-examine the law. I believe it's only a question of time before the Canadian law is reviewed," Mr. Castonguay said yesterday.

The Health Minister said he has no immediate plans to propose such a solution but did not exclude it as a potential remedy in the future. ". . . We have to at least have an open debate on the proposal."

Mr. Couillard said he wants to open the debate during public hearings on a bill that will allow patients to undergo cataract operations as well as hip and knee replacements in private clinics.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060517.wxquebec17/BNStory/National/home

 

[damngrumpy]

Quality health care is a right in this country for all Canadians,
In this country we should be looking at ways and allowing tax deductions to those who take preventative measures to ensure good health.
Why is it that much of the quality, or healthy food is too expensive for many of the countries poor?
Pouring money into hospitals and clinics is not the only answer, we have to look for ways to ensure all our citizens especially children have access to healthy foods and living conditions. A whole range of things have to be done to ensure our health system is not overloaded, and inflating our problems with insurance companies and bloating profits those companies would make would not ensure affordable care, or quality care. The only thing the for profit system would ensure is more profit for shareholders.

 

[dekhqonbacha]

Jay
we will wait until the new law, reducing lines, goes into effect.

 

[Jay]

Que. health minister furious over newspaper ads

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...525/quebec_doctors_060525/20060525?hub=Canada

Quebec's health minister and some of the province's top medical specialists are butting heads over a set of newspaper advertisements that harshly criticize the Quebec health care system.

The full-page newspaper ads ran in Wednesday's Montreal Gazette, Le Devoir and La Presse newspapers. They say "cancer frightens you, so should our health care system."

The ads are the latest manifestation of a long-running pay dispute between the province and its medical specialists.

The specialists have stepped up their efforts recently, and are demanding a faster conclusion to the negotiations. which have been going on for three years.

Health Minister Philippe Couillard slammed the ads, saying they take advantage of sick Quebecers for monetary purposes.

Couillard also told reporters it is "deplorable," to associate the fear of an illness with ongoing pay negotiations, "as if the health care system is not also preoccupied with patients with cancer, is not making significant efforts," Couillard said.

Couillard argued that bigger paycheques for doctors won't necessarily improve the delivery of health care.

Instead of raising pay, Couillard said extra money should be spent on developing new health care services.

Dr. Yves Dugre, the head of the federation of Quebec specialists, told CTV's Canada AM there is a direct link between pay rates and the level of care provided to patients.

"If the health care system is not getting well, here in Quebec, there's risk it may get worse," he said.

"Because in the last ten years more than 300 doctors have gone from Quebec to practice elsewhere in this country."

The specialists argue that Premier Jean Charest's Liberal government is reneging on a promise made when the Parti Quebecois was in power, to raise surgeons' salaries to match the Canadian average.

Dugre maintains it is unethical for the current government to ignore a signed agreement, claiming Quebec specialists are the lowest paid in the country and there is currently a shortage of 1,000 specialists.

 

[tracy]

Well, if Clinton says it then it must be so

Personally, I'm all for looking at other countries to see what works and what doesn't. Scandanavian countries in particular do very well in certain areas that are near and dear to my heart, like maternal-child health and public health. They use midwives rather than OBs which is something I really believe could dramatically help in Canada and they invest in their public health system a lot more than we do.

Oh, and I really don't know how anyone could afford their healthcare without an insurance system. I just don't think that's reasonable, and it doesn't solve any problems with the healthcare system anyways.

And I can't get the original link to work.

 

[Jay]

Again, my bad...I should have said my own health insurance. Although I could afford my own "healthcare" at the moment, it probably wouldn't be true in the future.

You always catch my slip ups!

 

[tracy]

Re: RE: Clinton says....

Again, my bad...I should have said my own health insurance. Although I could afford my own "healthcare" at the moment, it probably wouldn't be true in the future.

You always catch my slip ups!

Don't worry it's not you, it's me. I've been told I lack a sense of subtlety and nuance (I also thought those meant the same thing really, but that's another issue...). I take things too literally.

Really though I don't see how private health insurance would help with the Canadian system either. It just adds another level of beaurocracy (code word for "cost") to the system and there is no reason to think that would improve patient care.

 

[aeon]

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1147729810913&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467

Clinton said Canada should examine similar health-care systems — in Germany, Denmark or Sweden, for instance — that have solved problems such as overly long waiting times.

So now we just have to convince the ever aging population of last generationers in Canada who refuse to budge on this issue.....how much longer will we have to wait?

Who cares about what clintons says?