Censorship in Canada?
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I would have to say it is bullshit...I've purchased and read a lot of books that would have fallen under all 4 of those categories...
Vanni Fucci said:
Sorry, Vanni, it is true. A friend of mine works for Canada Border Services, and this is true. Canada, true north strong and free? What a laugh. Censorship and book banning. Seig Heil.
Well I don't have a friend at border security, so I can't confirm...but you saying so does not quite reinforce the validity of the claim... :roll:
Vanni Fucci said:
Yeah, never let the truth affect your delusions. Thats a good Vanni, take your warm milk and go to bed.
This is a hot button topic for me personally ... I have followed the problems "Little Sisters Bookstore" in Vancouver has had for years. At one point a book they had special ordered called "Hot!" was banned ... the book was about cooking with jalepeno peppers! The censors don't even bother to check what they are stopping at the border.
A link to this is:
http://www.littlesistersbookstore.com/index_court.html#history
It's crazy. And it's not an isolated incident. No, ITN ... it's true. But it is bullshit, IMHO.
A link to this is:
http://www.littlesistersbookstore.com/index_court.html#history
It's crazy. And it's not an isolated incident. No, ITN ... it's true. But it is bullshit, IMHO.
Vanni Fucci said:
You know Vanni enough is enough, how come we can't get the same smilies you have, eh? :twisted:
Cosmo said:
If it is true I think it mostly has to do with some snobby people sitting behind a desk justifying their paychecks more than anything else.
The bans are applied unevenly. There have been several stories in the media about Little Sisters having books seized at the border, yet mainstream bookstores have carried the same books and you can order them over the internet. There was a gay bookstore in Toronto that was having similar problems.
Even in the case of books deemed hate literature or seditious, large booksellers can generally order them in and they just show up with the rest of the shipment. Small companies or groups ordering these books risk having them seized. My local upscale head shop orders the more controversial books in through Coles.
The US does its fair share of the same thing though. What happened to the Freebird website? The US government took it down. The book that inspired the site (can't remember the name) has also been banned in the US. In Texas you can go to jail for possessing sex toys.
Even in the case of books deemed hate literature or seditious, large booksellers can generally order them in and they just show up with the rest of the shipment. Small companies or groups ordering these books risk having them seized. My local upscale head shop orders the more controversial books in through Coles.
The US does its fair share of the same thing though. What happened to the Freebird website? The US government took it down. The book that inspired the site (can't remember the name) has also been banned in the US. In Texas you can go to jail for possessing sex toys.
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There are now 4 categories for which books are prevented entry to Canada, and can be detained for indefinite periods of time at the border. When customs officials on duty at the border, or working with the Canadian government mail company, perceive that a book, magazine, or film, coming through the border could possibly be defined under one of the following four categories, the material is sent by a chain of command to the federal capital in Ottawa, where one individual has the final decision as to whether the book, magazine, or video in question will be allowed through the border.
The 4 categories are:
HATE LITERATURE: Any book that names a specific group as being responsible for something in history or in society that will promote animosity among other people towards that group. For example he said revisionists and neo-nazis say the Jews are responsible for promoting the Holocaust stories to obtain sympathy and money; this is therefore classified as Hate Literature.
OBSENITY: This is subject to arbitrary decisions by government officials. Most types of pornography from simple exposure of genitalia to violent and degrading sexual acts are seized at the border, and some are returned and some are not after decision are made by the one person in Ottawa.
SEDITION: If the material encourages people to break any criminal law, or human rights code of ethics, of Canada
TREASON: When material promotes the overthrow of the leaders of Canada. This is an outdated law as many people today publicly promote the overthrow of the government to their friends and co-workers.
When deciding whether a book would be included in one of the above 4 categories, the Customs officers have to consider such things as artistic merit and educational value.
A current list of confiscated books and an official definition of the above mentioned criteria is being prepared and distributed by the Canadian Department of Prohibited and Controlled Goods, Ms. Missie Marsden - Director, Ottawa, Canada Tel: 1 - 613 - 954 - 7049.
According to the information officer of this Department, each year the list from the year before is being "purged" as the definitions of prohibited information are continually changing. For instance material that used to be defined as "pornographic" up to early 1990's because it contained photos or descriptions of "anal penetration" or "homosexual anal intercourse" are no longer considered "pornographic" and are allowed to enter Canada.
The prohibition list was computerized in 1988, and since 1984 Canada is working with other countries like "France and Germany" monitoring "hate literature".
Local offices take care of material coming through the border in their respective provinces, but "all suspected hate literature" is sent to Ottawa to be processed by this department.
Additionally to this, the Customs and Excise Division of Revenue Canada prints a list every 4 months of books that have been seized during that time period. The list is called: A Supplemental List of Books Currently Being Detained. Most books on the list are considered either "hate literature" or "obsene".
The List can be ordered at:
Revenue Canada - Customs and Excise Division, Department of Prohibited Importations. Ask for: A Supplemental List of Books Currently Being Detained - Guide D-9-11.
Going back to 1940 customs officials have acted in an unorganized manner to seize material, especially pornographic books like "Lady Chatalline's Lover" (1962), that appeared to violate the laws or social norms of Canada. But in about 1983 the government suddenly became aggressive about seizing books and magazines where it had been far more relaxed 1993. This was peculiar because there appeared to be no particular pornographic book or magazine that prompted it. It may be that the reason for this was the distribution of the Holocaust revisionist book The Hoax of the 20th Century (by Arthur R. Butz, 2nd ed. Historical Review Press, Brighton 1977).
All this in a sense is unnecessary, as the Internet is quickly replacing books among the general population as their source of research and casual reading material. Books and book-banning laws are going to quickly become outdated as the unstoppable free Internet becomes more and more popular to the elite educated inquisitive people of Canada, England, and Germany.(snip)
(HATE LITERATURE: Any book that names a specific group as being responsible for something in history or in society that will promote animosity among other people towards that group.)
What about publications from the extreme right wing religious organizations, The Gossip rags. These type of writings spread the same type of (we are right and everyone else is wrong) attitude or poke fun at the odd and the different yet this stuff sits on our supper market racks for anyone to look at. What's with that?
(OBSENITY: This is subject to arbitrary decisions by government officials.)
The internet blew this one out of the water. Who needs books and magazines any more.
(SEDITION: If the material encourages people to break any criminal law, or human rights code of ethics, of Canada)
Yes, there is no way I could ever find out how to make weapons, learn break and enter techniques or grow and process illigal material. Is there? And Televison never has any shows about these types of activities :wink: Simply having the tools means nothing, it is the actual act that is important. "The gun in the rack never killed anyone".
(TREASON: When material promotes the overthrow of the leaders of Canada. This is an outdated law as many people today publicly promote the overthrow of the government to their friends and co-workers.)
We would not know treason if it walked up and whacked us on the head in Canada. Indeed it is very outdated..
All this is just another example of someones attempt to impose their paticular brand of values on society and another set of legislation that is wasting good paper somewhere in Ottawa. The only one out of the four pointed to here is (HATE LITERATURE). That I do have a problem with as it to is an attempt by some to influence others to agree with their way of thinking.
There are now 4 categories for which books are prevented entry to Canada, and can be detained for indefinite periods of time at the border. When customs officials on duty at the border, or working with the Canadian government mail company, perceive that a book, magazine, or film, coming through the border could possibly be defined under one of the following four categories, the material is sent by a chain of command to the federal capital in Ottawa, where one individual has the final decision as to whether the book, magazine, or video in question will be allowed through the border.
The 4 categories are:
HATE LITERATURE: Any book that names a specific group as being responsible for something in history or in society that will promote animosity among other people towards that group. For example he said revisionists and neo-nazis say the Jews are responsible for promoting the Holocaust stories to obtain sympathy and money; this is therefore classified as Hate Literature.
OBSENITY: This is subject to arbitrary decisions by government officials. Most types of pornography from simple exposure of genitalia to violent and degrading sexual acts are seized at the border, and some are returned and some are not after decision are made by the one person in Ottawa.
SEDITION: If the material encourages people to break any criminal law, or human rights code of ethics, of Canada
TREASON: When material promotes the overthrow of the leaders of Canada. This is an outdated law as many people today publicly promote the overthrow of the government to their friends and co-workers.
When deciding whether a book would be included in one of the above 4 categories, the Customs officers have to consider such things as artistic merit and educational value.
A current list of confiscated books and an official definition of the above mentioned criteria is being prepared and distributed by the Canadian Department of Prohibited and Controlled Goods, Ms. Missie Marsden - Director, Ottawa, Canada Tel: 1 - 613 - 954 - 7049.
According to the information officer of this Department, each year the list from the year before is being "purged" as the definitions of prohibited information are continually changing. For instance material that used to be defined as "pornographic" up to early 1990's because it contained photos or descriptions of "anal penetration" or "homosexual anal intercourse" are no longer considered "pornographic" and are allowed to enter Canada.
The prohibition list was computerized in 1988, and since 1984 Canada is working with other countries like "France and Germany" monitoring "hate literature".
Local offices take care of material coming through the border in their respective provinces, but "all suspected hate literature" is sent to Ottawa to be processed by this department.
Additionally to this, the Customs and Excise Division of Revenue Canada prints a list every 4 months of books that have been seized during that time period. The list is called: A Supplemental List of Books Currently Being Detained. Most books on the list are considered either "hate literature" or "obsene".
The List can be ordered at:
Revenue Canada - Customs and Excise Division, Department of Prohibited Importations. Ask for: A Supplemental List of Books Currently Being Detained - Guide D-9-11.
Going back to 1940 customs officials have acted in an unorganized manner to seize material, especially pornographic books like "Lady Chatalline's Lover" (1962), that appeared to violate the laws or social norms of Canada. But in about 1983 the government suddenly became aggressive about seizing books and magazines where it had been far more relaxed 1993. This was peculiar because there appeared to be no particular pornographic book or magazine that prompted it. It may be that the reason for this was the distribution of the Holocaust revisionist book The Hoax of the 20th Century (by Arthur R. Butz, 2nd ed. Historical Review Press, Brighton 1977).
All this in a sense is unnecessary, as the Internet is quickly replacing books among the general population as their source of research and casual reading material. Books and book-banning laws are going to quickly become outdated as the unstoppable free Internet becomes more and more popular to the elite educated inquisitive people of Canada, England, and Germany.(snip)
(HATE LITERATURE: Any book that names a specific group as being responsible for something in history or in society that will promote animosity among other people towards that group.)
What about publications from the extreme right wing religious organizations, The Gossip rags. These type of writings spread the same type of (we are right and everyone else is wrong) attitude or poke fun at the odd and the different yet this stuff sits on our supper market racks for anyone to look at. What's with that?
(OBSENITY: This is subject to arbitrary decisions by government officials.)
The internet blew this one out of the water. Who needs books and magazines any more.
(SEDITION: If the material encourages people to break any criminal law, or human rights code of ethics, of Canada)
Yes, there is no way I could ever find out how to make weapons, learn break and enter techniques or grow and process illigal material. Is there? And Televison never has any shows about these types of activities :wink: Simply having the tools means nothing, it is the actual act that is important. "The gun in the rack never killed anyone".
(TREASON: When material promotes the overthrow of the leaders of Canada. This is an outdated law as many people today publicly promote the overthrow of the government to their friends and co-workers.)
We would not know treason if it walked up and whacked us on the head in Canada. Indeed it is very outdated..
All this is just another example of someones attempt to impose their paticular brand of values on society and another set of legislation that is wasting good paper somewhere in Ottawa. The only one out of the four pointed to here is (HATE LITERATURE). That I do have a problem with as it to is an attempt by some to influence others to agree with their way of thinking.
I've read the thread starter before and I think it's basically true, although it's up to the boarder/customs authority to decide in most instances making what Rev B said acurate as well.
Said, where you been girl, I missed ya around here, out for a manicure were you
Notice my avatar...I am driving to the girls party..I am drinking root beer tho 8)
Notice my avatar...I am driving to the girls party..I am drinking root beer tho 8)
peapod said:Said, where you been girl, I missed ya around here, out for a manicure were you
Notice my avatar...I am driving to the girls party..I am drinking root beer tho 8)
Thanks! I had some legal trouble. Whooped my landlords ass I did!
Love the avatar!
You go girl! If you need backup just whistle....loud! I live in BC...we eat landlords for a snack okay I better get out this thread before someone gets their knickers in a wedgie. :lol: :lol:
okay I better get out this thread before someone gets their knickers in a wedgie. :lol: :lol:Re: RE: Censorship in Canada?
You have got to be kidding.... and they say America is the land of the free? LOL.... I find that all too funny.... sad..... but funny!! :?
Reverend Blair said:
You have got to be kidding.... and they say America is the land of the free? LOL.... I find that all too funny.... sad..... but funny!! :?