CANZUK or C-ANZUK?

White_Unifier

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CANZUK or C-ANZUK?

In another thread, a few posters expressed support for CANZUK. Of course, CANZUK does not explain everything.

Firstly, just how much integration are we talking about? Most supporters of CANZUK seem to favour simply the ability to travel, study, work, and do business visa-free but no more than that.

Secondly, just how open would CANZUK be to non-CANZUK states? Are we talking about a closed CANZUK (i.e. a kind of Fortress CANZUK that is open to its member-states but closed to the rest of the world) or an open CANZUK (i.e. that would remain at least as open to the rest of the world as it is now)?

Even once we clarify the above parameters, we’re then left with the Quebec question. Quebec separatists couldn’t care less what we do outside of Quebec, but they probably wouldn’t appreciate a ‘British invasion’ in Quebec itself. Quebec federalists would probably oppose anything that does not promote an equal status for English and French Canada-wide so they might not appreciate a ‘British invasion’ even outside of Quebec.

So, how would we make CANZUK more palatable to Quebecers?

Here would be some of my ideas: if the other CANZUK members want it, they could fully integrate their immigration policies. For example, they might allow visa-free travel, study, work, and business between their states for all citizens and maybe even recognize one another’s visas.

Canada could be a junior CANZUK member. It would allow visa-free travel, study, work, and business only to those who hold an English-Language Passport (ELP), a French-Language Passport (PLF), or Esperanto Passport (EP). To acquire any of these passports, a person would need to either pass a language test or be under 15, over 70, deaf, or dyslexic or otherwise unable to learn a second language.

While the whole of Canada would allow visa-free travel to holders of any of the above passports, only provinces and territories other than Quebec would allow visa-free study, work, and business. To study, work, or do business in Quebec, non-Canadian CANZUK citizens and permanent residents would require a Quebec visa.

In exchange, to travel, study, work, or do business in any other CANZUK country, a Canadian would need to acquire an ELP or EP. This would help to keep CANZUK translation costs down by ensuring able-minded Canadians travelling to other CANZUK states to travel, study, work, or do business etc. know either English or at least a language that customs officers could learn easily.

If Quebec wants to allow CANZUK members who hold an FLP to study, work, and do business in Quebec visa-free, that would be a decision for Quebec to make.
 

B00Mer

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Was there a problem with the other thread that you had to start a new one on the same fukking topic?? :roll:

What you planning and changing what is already 1 million members strong..

CANZUK International – Promoting Closer Ties Between Canada, Australia, New Zealand & The United Kingdom

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What a brexit future could look like for the Untied Kingdom, Australia , Canada and New Zealand .
shots of London UK , Sydney Australia , Auckland New Zealand , Toronto Canada #canzuk
 

White_Unifier

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Was there a problem with the other thread that you had to start a new one on the same fukking topic?? :roll:

What you planning and changing what is already 1 million members strong..

CANZUK International – Promoting Closer Ties Between Canada, Australia, New Zealand & The United Kingdom

[youtube]8xABIduPsQI[/youtube]

What a brexit future could look like for the Untied Kingdom, Australia , Canada and New Zealand .
shots of London UK , Sydney Australia , Auckland New Zealand , Toronto Canada #canzuk

the other thread was about standard fully integrated CANZUK. However, I don't think this would be politically easy for Canada to achieve since Quebecers would see it as making English far more dominant in Canada than it already is. This would inevitably cause tensions with Quebec. The question then is whether some form of C-ANZUk would be possible with Canada as a junior member whereby we would be able to impose visas on CANZUK members at least in Quebec possibly in exchange for other CANZUK members being able to impose certain reasonable restrictions on Canadians, but still allowing for far freer movement of labour compared to what we have now while still satisfying Quebec's concerns.

Another alternative would be CANZUK-Schengen. Think of it as concentric circles with Canada belonging to both CANZUK and schengen. That way, Quebec could enjoy the same with France, Belgium, and Switzerland as the rest of Canada would enjoy with CANZUK. This would also significantly increase the power of the Canadian passport if a Canadian could travel, study, work, and do business visa-free in both CANZUK and Schengen.
 

gerryh

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the other thread was about standard fully integrated CANZUK. However, I don't think this would be politically easy for Canada to achieve since Quebecers would see it as making English far more dominant in Canada than it already is. This would inevitably cause tensions with Quebec. The question then is whether some form of C-ANZUk would be possible with Canada as a junior member whereby we would be able to impose visas on CANZUK members at least in Quebec possibly in exchange for other CANZUK members being able to impose certain reasonable restrictions on Canadians, but still allowing for far freer movement of labour compared to what we have now while still satisfying Quebec's concerns.

Another alternative would be CANZUK-Schengen. Think of it as concentric circles with Canada belonging to both CANZUK and schengen. That way, Quebec could enjoy the same with France, Belgium, and Switzerland as the rest of Canada would enjoy with CANZUK. This would also significantly increase the power of the Canadian passport if a Canadian could travel, study, work, and do business visa-free in both CANZUK and Schengen.


This is another example of you doing a look at me. There was no reason to start another thread about the same thing.

As for quebec, tough shyte if they don't like it. If it's what the majority want, then that's it. Personally I'm tired of cow towing to every special intetest group out there.
 

Bar Sinister

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the other thread was about standard fully integrated CANZUK. However, I don't think this would be politically easy for Canada to achieve since Quebecers would see it as making English far more dominant in Canada than it already is. This would inevitably cause tensions with Quebec.

Come on - Aussies and Kiwis don't speak English. And I know - I've lived there.