Canada’s Green Shift Could Displace Three-Quarters Of Oil Workers

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Yeaaaaaaaah Con Science.

So when the last drop of oil is in the ground, do you honestly think we will be done with oil??

 
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Two bits from the cheap seats: There are plenty of non-polluting uses for oil, but by far the biggest share of what comes out if the ground ends up getting burnt and that’s where the trouble comes from. The science behind GHG emissions and climate change is undeniable for all but the most stubborn holdouts, as the world moves toward drastically reducing the use of fossil fules as an energy source demand will drop, and as its product is among the more expensive to produce, Canada’s oil sands producers will feel the pinch first. The writing is already on the wall. Oilsands producers have been selling out for a few years now, with the remaining big boys gobbling up what they leave behind. If you take a close look at what these big boys have been up to it’s not hard to see their moves as an effort to squeeze every last drop out of this particular resource while they still can. Steady pressure from low oil prices and environmental concerns have push the timeline to realize a return on investment so far into an unsure future that we will likely not see any new projects, Fort Hills was the last big one and it is hanging on by its finger nails, bleeding funds from Suncor’s more profitable operations just to stay afloat. Trades are being hammered for lower wages, union outfits are being shown the door in favour of cheaper labour. Plant operations are being streamlined to increase efficiencies and lower expenses. Reclamation of mined out areas has slowed to the point where what remains is merely window dressing to placate environmentalists, you can bet that down thew road somewhere this will be left for the taxpayer to deal with.

The oilsands is on the downhill side of the curve, and all the Kenneys and O’Tooles on the planet cannot breathe life back into an industry that investors are running away from. Politics aside, follow the money to see what’s really happening. The gravy days are gone and they won’t be back.
 
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Two bits from the cheap seats: There are plenty of non-polluting uses for oil, but by far the biggest share of what comes out if the ground ends up getting burnt and that’s where the trouble comes from. The science behind GHG emissions and climate change is undeniable for all but the most stubborn holdouts, as the world moves toward drastically reducing the use of fossil fules as an energy source demand will drop, and as its product is among the more expensive to produce, Canada’s oil sands producers will feel the pinch first. The writing is already on the wall. Oilsands producers have been selling out for a few years now, with the remaining big boys gobbling up what they leave behind. If you take a close look at what these big boys have been up to it’s not hard to see their moves as an effort to squeeze every last drop out of this particular resource while they still can. Steady pressure from low oil prices and environmental concerns have push the timeline to realize a return on investment so far into an unsure future that we will likely not see any new projects, Fort Hills was the last big one and it is hanging on by its finger nails, bleeding funds from Suncor’s more profitable operations just to stay afloat. Trades are being hammered for lower wages, union outfits are being shown the door in favour of cheaper labour. Plant operations are being streamlined to increase efficiencies and lower expenses. Reclamation of mined out areas has slowed to the point where what remains is merely window dressing to placate environmentalists, you can bet that down thew road somewhere this will be left for the taxpayer to deal with.

The oilsands is on the downhill side of the curve, and all the Kenneys and O’Tooles on the planet cannot breathe life back into an industry that investors are running away from. Politics aside, follow the money to see what’s really happening. The gravy days are gone and they won’t be back.
Great when we all drive electric cars and trucks , where will the electricity come from . I think bring back plans for a dam on the Fraser at Hells Gate would be in order . Alternatively we could make the mother of all natural gas power plants somewhere up in the patch . But that is just B.C. , how is the rest of the country going to power their fleets ?
 

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Great when we all drive electric cars and trucks , where will the electricity come from . I think bring back plans for a dam on the Fraser at Hells Gate would be in order . Alternatively we could make the mother of all natural gas power plants somewhere up in the patch . But that is just B.C. , how is the rest of the country going to power their fleets ?
Rest assured, it will happen, whether you like it or not. Of course it’s not going to happen over night, infrastructure needs to be upgraded big time. And it won’t be cheap, but the price of not dealing with overuse of fossil fuels for energy is not something people want to think about. The simple fact is that the number of countries in the world that are climbing on board reducing fossil fuel use is growing and that’s not going to stop.

The future will belong to those who are thinking about how they can do something, not to those thinking about why they can’t.
 

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Rest assured, it will happen, whether you like it or not. Of course it’s not going to happen over night, infrastructure needs to be upgraded big time. And it won’t be cheap, but the price of not dealing with overuse of fossil fuels for energy is not something people want to think about. The simple fact is that the number of countries in the world that are climbing on board reducing fossil fuel use is growing and that’s not going to stop.

The future will belong to those who are thinking about how they can do something, not to those thinking about why they can’t.
So are we going to dam the mighty Fraser or make the mother of all natural gas power plants ? A choice between our fisheries or burning a fossil fuel , or I guess we could go full on nuclear , which should it be ?
 

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So when the last drop of oil is in the ground, do you honestly think we will be done with oil??

I'm into that but the mass mining drilling, oil spilling all the bullshit that is going on now really needs a shit ton of work, fixing and ethics, while we have great tech that would perfectly replace some or supplement it. And as a nation or nations we need petro companies to have far less power and sway.
 

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Two bits from the cheap seats: There are plenty of non-polluting uses for oil, but by far the biggest share of what comes out if the ground ends up getting burnt and that’s where the trouble comes from. The science behind GHG emissions and climate change is undeniable for all but the most stubborn holdouts, as the world moves toward drastically reducing the use of fossil fules as an energy source demand will drop, and as its product is among the more expensive to produce, Canada’s oil sands producers will feel the pinch first. The writing is already on the wall. Oilsands producers have been selling out for a few years now, with the remaining big boys gobbling up what they leave behind. If you take a close look at what these big boys have been up to it’s not hard to see their moves as an effort to squeeze every last drop out of this particular resource while they still can. Steady pressure from low oil prices and environmental concerns have push the timeline to realize a return on investment so far into an unsure future that we will likely not see any new projects, Fort Hills was the last big one and it is hanging on by its finger nails, bleeding funds from Suncor’s more profitable operations just to stay afloat. Trades are being hammered for lower wages, union outfits are being shown the door in favour of cheaper labour. Plant operations are being streamlined to increase efficiencies and lower expenses. Reclamation of mined out areas has slowed to the point where what remains is merely window dressing to placate environmentalists, you can bet that down thew road somewhere this will be left for the taxpayer to deal with.

The oilsands is on the downhill side of the curve, and all the Kenneys and O’Tooles on the planet cannot breathe life back into an industry that investors are running away from. Politics aside, follow the money to see what’s really happening. The gravy days are gone and they won’t be back.
Unfortunately the Canadian oilsands have been the object of foreign leftist lies that have stuck. "Canada's oil sands are 3X more carbon intensive than traditional oil.". Wrong. While they are more carbon intensive they're only about 1.5X more carbon intensive than traditional oil deposits. To put that in perspective, so-called bio-plastics are 1.7X more carbon intensive than petroleum-based plastics.
The attacks on our oil have come predominantly from American NGOs and NPOs. Now let's think about that forma moment. The US has the Utah oil sands, the Kentucky oil sands and California's heavy oil and yet it's OUR oil sands and heavy oil production they routinely attack. Yet at the beginning of 2019 Norway awarded something like 68 new oil exploration licences with several of them having additional permission to develop any viable deposits they run across. Canada can't even get a f*ckng pipeline built.
Mexico produces a heavy bitumin that's almost identical to Canadian bitumen and yet their oil is worth almost twice as much. Why? Because at least THEY can get their oil to market.
But ultimately Canada's oil sands are far from the "dirtiest" oil in North America. That title goes to the Placerita oil field right outside of L.A. Nobody's protesting that place though. Know why? Because there ain't no Native people there that the leftards can use to push their anti-oil agenda.

Canada is also an easy target with weak leadership and no real global pull. It's real easy to pick on the little guy. Just like bullies, too pussified to take on a real opponent.
 
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Yeaahhhhhhhh About as brilliant as leftard science that insists on destroying the terrestrial environment to stop climate change, But yeah, I'm sure increasing our mining activity to well over 100% sustainability to meet the 2050 target won't be an issue.
Again your comment is worthless as long as you talk/write things like leftard like a 3rd grader.

As soon as you use it I just ignore the rest because I know what the rest is and it's actual value in discourse.
 

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I'm into that but the mass mining drilling, oil spilling all the bullshit that is going on now really needs a shit ton of work, fixing and ethics, while we have great tech that would perfectly replace some or supplement it. And as a nation or nations we need petro companies to have far less power and sway.
Oh that's adorable. You do realize that a big part of the push for green energy actually COMES from Big Oil, right? They've had the money to R&D the shit and are basically working to corner the energy market. That's not conspiracy thinking. That was actually hard advice from Bill Clinton to the O&G industry after he left office. Yes, there are some companies that are still resistant to the idea but that's because they think like Trudeau; incapable of thinking beyond the immediate present.
Don't get me wrong. I'm against burning a precious, strategic resource just to produce electricity. It's a waste of a precious resource that's needed for so much more than mere electrical generation.
As for your objection to mass mining, where in the ever loving f*ck do you think the elements for all this green shit is coming from? As for Canada, more and more of its oil sands are being developed "in situ" meaning minimal disturbance to the surrounding environment. Good luck with in situ extraction of all the ores needed to make the green shit work..
 
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Oh that's adorable. You do realize that a big part of the push for green energy actually COMES from Big Oil, right? They've had the money to R&D the shit and are basically working to corner the energy market. That's not conspiracy thinking. That was actually hard advice from Bill Clinton to the O&G industry after he left office. Yes, there are some companies that are still resistant to the idea but that's because they think like Trudeau; incapable of thinking beyond the immediate present.
Don't get me wrong. I'm against burning a precious, strategic resource just to produce electricity. It's a waste of a precious resource that's needed for so much more than mere electrical generation.
As for your objection to mass mining, where in the ever loving f*ck do you think the elements for all this green shit is coming from? As for Canada, more and more of its oil sands are being developed "in situ" meaning minimal disturbance to the surrounding environment. Good luck with in situ extraction of all the ores needed to make the green shit work..
*Sigh*

Yes, yes... the Clintons with Hillary e-mailing details of her kagels from the pizza shop.

Jinn I don't care you having a hard right fit with this just edges me closer to putting you on ignore.
 

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So are we going to dam the mighty Fraser or make the mother of all natural gas power plants ? A choice between our fisheries or burning a fossil fuel , or I guess we could go full on nuclear , which should it be ?
Does it matter ? You’re talking as if you still have some say in the matter. That debate is over. Burning fossil fuels for energy is bad, and the smart money is already working on how to transition away from it. BC is lucky with its abundance of hydro-electric power, and when Site C comems online we’ll be fine for the next twenty years or so. BC Hydro has been anticipating the rise in popularity of EV’s for some time now and will keep pace with how many are on the road. I expect a rise in popularity of hybrids as they will offer more convenience in long distance travel over hilly terrain. For provinces with out hydro-electric capabilities nuclear may well be an option. That could serve to re-energize our unranium industry that has largely been dormant for some years now.

The right wing pipe dream that we can re-energize Alberta’s oil & gas sector is a pipe dream to be sure, a desperate plea for votes that doesn’t have the support of the industry operators or neighbouring governments both federal and provincial. Cash handouts for an industry that can’t stand on its own will go over with voters as well as bailouts in the aircraft industry did. Finishing the TMX will offer a brief respite, freeing us of the US stranglehold on our exports, but that should be the extent of government assistance.
 

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Does it matter ? You’re talking as if you still have some say in the matter. That debate is over. Burning fossil fuels for energy is bad, and the smart money is already working on how to transition away from it. BC is lucky with its abundance of hydro-electric power, and when Site C comems online we’ll be fine for the next twenty years or so. BC Hydro has been anticipating the rise in popularity of EV’s for some time now and will keep pace with how many are on the road. I expect a rise in popularity of hybrids as they will offer more convenience in long distance travel over hilly terrain. For provinces with out hydro-electric capabilities nuclear may well be an option. That could serve to re-energize our unranium industry that has largely been dormant for some years now.

The right wing pipe dream that we can re-energize the oil & gas sector is a pipe dream, a desperate plea for votes that doesn’t have the support of the industry operators. Cash handouts for an industry that can’t stand on its own will go over with voters as well as bailouts in the aircraft industry did. Finishing the TMX will offer a brief respite, freeing us of the US stranglehold on our exports, but that should be the extent of government assistance.
^^^ Yes... ALL of THIS!