Canada's Afghan mission criticized

BitWhys

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I'm starting to make my way through the Senlis report (pdf) on their view of Canadian operations in Afghanistan, which I plan to read cover-to-cover mostly because it takes on the issue of the poppy trade which seems to me to be the closest thing to the heart of the problem that side of the borders.

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By BOB WEBER
(CP) - Canadian politicians and military leaders are rejecting a British report suggesting both troops and Afghan civilians are being killed because of Canada's backing of failing U.S. policies on elimination of the opium poppy crop.

The poppy eradication campaign has driven rural farmers into such extreme poverty that they are shifting their support to the Taliban as the international community and the Afghan government fail to meet their basic needs, says the report by the London-based Senlis Council.

"Canadian troops have been handed an impossible mission which can only lead to significant casualties," says the report, released Wednesday.

"Until Canada fundamentally re-evaluates its approach and creates its own new strategy for its presence in Kandahar, with a clear split from the failed U.S. policies there, the Canadian mission in Afghanistan is blindly following a path that will lead to senseless military and civilian casualties."

But Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor said Canada isn't blindly following anyone.

"Our eyes are wide open. We know what we're doing over there," O'Connor said in Edmonton on Wednesday.

O'Connor acknowledged poppy eradication is a tough sell in a country where its cultivation is often the only form of livelihood.

"We have to find some way to compensate the farmers," he said. "I believe that if you're going to destroy somebody's crop, you have to give them compensation."

Prime Minister Stephen Harper defended Canada's activities in the war-ravaged country.

Canada is working to eliminate the threat of terrorism, but also wants to eliminate drug trafficking which is causing problems in our streets, he said in Ottawa.

"For that reason we support the efforts of the international community to eradicate drug production," Harper said.

"Of course, we're not directly involved in the eradication of the growing of poppies, but we do support those efforts and we support the efforts of providing alternatives to people."

Chief of Defence Staff Gen. Rick Hillier described the report as the work of drive-by experts.

"One of the thing that I found when I was the commander on international operations was the most dangerous thing of all was the individual who visited the theatre of operations for 48 hours and then left as instant experts with the solution to everything, which invariably was wrong," he said from Edmonton Garrison.

"We don't have everything right in Afghanistan. We know that. Each day we change the way we do business just a little bit and we'll continue to do that until the day we come home from that mission."

The report also accuses the Canadian military of accidentally killing innocent civilians during security sweeps.

But Lt.-Col. Ian Hope, commander of the Princess Patricia's battle group in Kandahar, said not a single Afghan civilian has been killed in all the firefights Canadian troops have had with Taliban in the region.

Hope said Kandahar's minor poppy eradication doesn't involve Canadians and is having nowhere near the negative impact set out in the report. He called the report a political document steeped in anti-Americanism.

But at least one observer said that Canada had made mistakes in its drug policy in Afghanistan.

"It was stated to me by the senior diplomats or bureaucrats involved with Afghanistan that Canada certainly had made some very serious errors," said Sunil Ram, a former Canadian soldier who now teaches at the American Military University in Virginia.

"This especially focused on the issues of the drug trade, which Canada very judiciously ignored even dealing with."

Opium poppies, which do not require irrigation in the drought-stricken region, represent a huge chunk of the local economy.

The drug harvest brings in 10 times more money to impoverished villagers than a crop of wheat.

The Senlis Council favours dealing with the poppy problem by making the crop legal, controlling its harvest and directing it into the world's medical supply of opiate drugs.

United Nations drug officials have dismissed that plan as unrealistic until great advances are made in security in the war-torn country.

O'Connor also said Canadian soldiers have a good rapport with Afghan civilians.

"The reports I've been receiving from the Kandahar area is that Canadians are quite popular there and the villagers accept us quite readily," he said.

Canada's efforts to help rebuild Kandahar's economy are also criticized by the council.

The report says 10 months of Canadian presence in southern Afghanistan has failed to improve development, including the efforts of the Provincial Reconstruction Team in Kandahar City.

The Senlis Council, which receives its funding from non-profit foundations in Europe, plans to distribute its report to every member of Parliament in Canada, said spokesman Jorrit Kamminga.

The council hopes the report will stimulate debate among Canadians about the country's role in southern Afghanistan.

First of all if they still have to find a way to compensate them that confirms there is no solution to this essential issue to date, just like the report says.

When they have to frame a response with something like "in all the firefights Canadian troops have had with Taliban in the region" I have to wonder what they're leaving out. In this case it would specifically be the father of six who got gunned down by Canadian troops while riding in a taxi in Kandahar City. More to the point of the report, as much as we'd like to think Canadian troops stand out as unique you've got to keep in mind that to the locals we really just look like a bunch of fat white boys with loaded toys to whom they owe no loyalty and even when its another country's troops that screw up we end up wearing it too.
 

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RE: Canada's Afghan missi

So the part I want to know is who gave the word not to fly the flag on all vehicles.
 

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BitWhys said:
When they have to frame a response with something like "in all the firefights Canadian troops have had with Taliban in the region" I have to wonder what they're leaving out. In this case it would specifically be the father of six who got gunned down by Canadian troops while riding in a taxi in Kandahar City.

He wasn't killed in a firefight with the Taliban. Wasn't that the incident where the taxi that he was in came too close to a Canadian vehicle? On the other hand, I don't know if the incident would be considered to have taken place during a 'security sweep' (like the Senlis Council was referring to).

Edit: What do you make of General Hiller's criticisms of the report? How long were they actually in Kandahar doing research?
 

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RE: Canada's Afghan missi

the report claims the locals they talked to weren't even aware of an approach distance limit.

those who care should read the report. of couse its biased but the facts alone are disturbing enough.
 

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fuflans said:
Edit: What do you make of General Hiller's criticisms of the report? How long were they actually in Kandahar doing research?

Haven't heard Hillier's comments. Hope they're something more than the standard.

good link?
 

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I think that everyone agrees it was a tragic accident. Hopefully the locals are now better informed and nothing like it happens again.

I'm personally not sure why they included the quote from the Lt. Colonel. He was talking about what happened during firefights with the Taliban and the report was referring to 'security sweeps' (which don't necessarily involve shooting at the Taliban). Maybe lazy journalism?
 

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Haven't heard Hillier's comments. Hope they're something more than the standard.

good link?

He was quoted in the article saying that when he was in Afghanistan, groups such as this one did whirlwind visits and then produced damning reports without having ever really gotten a feel for the area or understanding its nuances etc.

I've no idea whether or not this group in particular actually did that, but that seems to be what the general is inferring.

And yes, thanks for the link. I'll try to read through it (all 94 pages :) when I have the time. It's always interesting to get information from sources other than the mass media.
 

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RE: Canada's Afghan missi

The report mentions the taxi incident a couple of times. Once directly in which they claim so far the Canada done little to settle things locallly.

read the report. Its 40+ pages of good reading plus appendices.
 

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RE: Canada's Afghan missi

my question to the economists is what's to prevent shelving the opium surplus for legal sale later?
 

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fuflans said:
BitWhys said:
Haven't heard Hillier's comments. Hope they're something more than the standard.

good link?

He was quoted in the article saying that when he was in Afghanistan, groups such as this one did whirlwind visits and then produced damning reports without having ever really gotten a feel for the area or understanding its nuances etc.

I've no idea whether or not this group in particular actually did that, but that seems to be what the general is inferring.

And yes, thanks for the link. I'll try to read through it (all 94 pages :) when I have the time. It's always interesting to get information from sources other than the mass media.

whirlwind? I saw an interview that claimed they had 40 people on the ground. Even to claim to have talked to them about stuff like that is enough to make you confident they at least know what to bullshit about.

they sound well informed.