Canada Severs Diplomatic Relations with Iran!!!

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The best explanation is that Iran-controlled Hezbollah did it because they simply love to kill Jews.......Nasrallah wishes they would all go to Israel so Hezbollah could kill them all in one place, but that hasn't happened, so they need to travel around.
We both agree that Iran (Israel's adversary) supports Hezbollah (Lebanese terrorist/militant group) with funds and arms Hezbollah often fights as Iran's proxy. Other hostile to Israel militant groups also get Iranian funding and arms. Canada is close to Israel, so I understand clearly the direction Harper moved Canada. I disagree with this decision, because I think taking sides in this dispute is a bad for Canada, just like Iraq would have been bad for Canada.

Regarding the Argentina bombing, the case seems suspect
Why would Hezbollah be the most likely suspect in Argentina? Other anti-Semitic organizations exist much closer. I'd be surprised if Argentina doesn't have some level of domestic antisemitism (racial/religious prejudice)

If DNA evidence exists in this case, then why hasn't it been tested??? (see a referenced link above)

The scant evidence can be portrayed to implicate any one or group, which might explain how it ended up pointed at Hezbollah...
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The IAEA has never found any evidence that Iran has ever enriched uranium to weapons grade levels or even planned or attempted to enrich uranium to weapons grade.

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Which means that this activity is either well hidden or the IAEA is not looking very hard. Or both.

November 20, 2002: Perle: UN Won’t Find Iraqi Weapons Because They Are So Well Hidden; US Will Attack Even If No Weapons Found


Richard Perle, a member of the Defense Policy Board, attends a meeting on global security with members of the British Parliament. At one point he argues that the weapons inspection team might be unable to find Saddam’s arsenal of banned weapons because they are so well hidden. According to the London Mirror, he then states that the US would “attack Iraq even if UN inspectors fail to find weapons.” [Mirror, 11/21/2002] Peter Kilfoyle, a former defense minister and Labour backbencher, tells the Mirror: “America is duping the world into believing it supports these inspections. President Bush intends to go to war even if inspectors find nothing. This make a mockery of the whole process and exposes America’s real determination to bomb Iraq.” [Mirror, 11/21/2002]

Context of 'November 20, 2002: Perle: UN Won’t Find Iraqi Weapons Because They Are So Well Hidden; US Will Attack Even If No Weapons Found'

The US invaded and proved that Iraq's 20,000 page November 2002 declaration of its former WMD program was 100% accurate. Iraq had no hidden WMD program and the only WMDs left were in dump sites too dangerous to disturb.

I disagree with starting a war with Iran for a number of reasons.

1) Large numbers of innocent people will die and not just Iranians and Israelis... This war will become global and involve all world powers..

2) Even if the US/Israel/UK/Canada/... invaded and occupied Iran in less time than it takes for Iran to build and test a nuke, they'll disperse the technology... then the $hit really hits the fan.

The smart option is to let political events unfold in Iran... The old extremists will eventually loose power to the younger moderates who will separate church and state.. Outside influences imposing regime change is how Iran ended up run by religious extremists:
Mohammad Mosaddegh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

US and Israel arms and funding of hostile to Iran terrorist and militant groups accomplishes nothing but increased anti-west sentiment. Canada should not get involved in clandestinely supporting terrorist/militant groups.
 
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We both agree that Iran (Israel's adversary) supports Hezbollah (Lebanese terrorist/militant group) with funds and arms Hezbollah often fights as Iran's proxy. Other hostile to Israel militant groups also get Iranian funding and arms. Canada is close to Israel, so I understand clearly the direction Harper moved Canada. I disagree with this decision, because I think taking sides in this dispute is a bad for Canada, just like Iraq would have been bad for Canada.

Regarding the Argentina bombing, the case seems suspect
Why would Hezbollah be the most likely suspect in Argentina? Other anti-Semitic organizations exist much closer. I'd be surprised if Argentina doesn't have some level of domestic antisemitism (racial/religious prejudice)

If DNA evidence exists in this case, then why hasn't it been tested??? (see a referenced link above)

The scant evidence can be portrayed to implicate any one or group, which might explain how it ended up pointed at Hezbollah...
.


November 20, 2002: Perle: UN Won’t Find Iraqi Weapons Because They Are So Well Hidden; US Will Attack Even If No Weapons Found


Richard Perle, a member of the Defense Policy Board, attends a meeting on global security with members of the British Parliament. At one point he argues that the weapons inspection team might be unable to find Saddam’s arsenal of banned weapons because they are so well hidden. According to the London Mirror, he then states that the US would “attack Iraq even if UN inspectors fail to find weapons.” [Mirror, 11/21/2002] Peter Kilfoyle, a former defense minister and Labour backbencher, tells the Mirror: “America is duping the world into believing it supports these inspections. President Bush intends to go to war even if inspectors find nothing. This make a mockery of the whole process and exposes America’s real determination to bomb Iraq.” [Mirror, 11/21/2002]
Context of 'November 20, 2002: Perle: UN Won’t Find Iraqi Weapons Because They Are So Well Hidden; US Will Attack Even If No Weapons Found'

The US invaded and proved that Iraq's 20,000 page November 2002 declaration of its former WMD program was 100% accurate. Iraq had no hidden WMD program and the only WMDs left were in dump sites too dangerous to disturb.

I disagree with starting a war with Iran for a number of reasons.

1) Large numbers of innocent people will die and not just Iranians and Israelis... This war will become global and involve all world powers..

2) Even if the US/Israel/UK/Canada/... invaded and occupied Iran in less time than it takes for Iran to build and test a nuke, they'll disperse the technology... then the $hit really hits the fan.

The smart option is to let political events unfold in Iran... The old extremists will eventually loose power to the younger moderates who will separate church and state.. Outside influences imposing regime change is how Iran ended up run by religious extremists:
Mohammad Mosaddegh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

US and Israel arms and funding of hostile to Iran terrorist and militant groups accomplishes nothing but increased anti-west sentiment. Canada should not get involved in clandestinely supporting terrorist/militant groups.

So, perhaps this time outside influence like Canada severing all diplomatic ties, will help to precipitate a change for the better.

All of this other crappola about Argentina this; Hezbollah that, Jews behind every rock, Israel being more racist than Iran etc., I could give a rat's patoot over. Ya gotta start somewhere and I can think of no better place than a retarded, neanderthalic, repressive regime like Iran.
 

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Give me an example of something Iran has done which is worse than Israel's treatment of Palestinians (ethnic cleansing, official discrimination, torture, murder, extrajudicial assassinations of political leaders....) or the US's treatment of Iraqi (false allegations of WMD stockpiles and links to 9/11 to start an unprovoked war which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis) or human rights abuses more grave than those than Abu Ghraib andGuantanamo Bay?
You're talking to the wrong guy because I don't subscribe to your morality. I care about Americans and Canadians only. That's it. That's the way the world works. Post-modern liberal morality is dying all over the world.
 

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We both agree that Iran (Israel's adversary) supports Hezbollah (Lebanese terrorist/militant group) with funds and arms Hezbollah often fights as Iran's proxy. Other hostile to Israel militant groups also get Iranian funding and arms. Canada is close to Israel, so I understand clearly the direction Harper moved Canada. I disagree with this decision, because I think taking sides in this dispute is a bad for Canada, just like Iraq would have been bad for Canada.

Regarding the Argentina bombing, the case seems suspect
Why would Hezbollah be the most likely suspect in Argentina? Other anti-Semitic organizations exist much closer. I'd be surprised if Argentina doesn't have some level of domestic antisemitism (racial/religious prejudice)

If DNA evidence exists in this case, then why hasn't it been tested??? (see a referenced link above)

The scant evidence can be portrayed to implicate any one or group, which might explain how it ended up pointed at Hezbollah...
.


November 20, 2002: Perle: UN Won’t Find Iraqi Weapons Because They Are So Well Hidden; US Will Attack Even If No Weapons Found


Richard Perle, a member of the Defense Policy Board, attends a meeting on global security with members of the British Parliament. At one point he argues that the weapons inspection team might be unable to find Saddam’s arsenal of banned weapons because they are so well hidden. According to the London Mirror, he then states that the US would “attack Iraq even if UN inspectors fail to find weapons.” [Mirror, 11/21/2002] Peter Kilfoyle, a former defense minister and Labour backbencher, tells the Mirror: “America is duping the world into believing it supports these inspections. President Bush intends to go to war even if inspectors find nothing. This make a mockery of the whole process and exposes America’s real determination to bomb Iraq.” [Mirror, 11/21/2002]

Context of 'November 20, 2002: Perle: UN Won’t Find Iraqi Weapons Because They Are So Well Hidden; US Will Attack Even If No Weapons Found'

The US invaded and proved that Iraq's 20,000 page November 2002 declaration of its former WMD program was 100% accurate. Iraq had no hidden WMD program and the only WMDs left were in dump sites too dangerous to disturb.

I disagree with starting a war with Iran for a number of reasons.

1) Large numbers of innocent people will die and not just Iranians and Israelis... This war will become global and involve all world powers..

2) Even if the US/Israel/UK/Canada/... invaded and occupied Iran in less time than it takes for Iran to build and test a nuke, they'll disperse the technology... then the $hit really hits the fan.

The smart option is to let political events unfold in Iran... The old extremists will eventually loose power to the younger moderates who will separate church and state.. Outside influences imposing regime change is how Iran ended up run by religious extremists:
Mohammad Mosaddegh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

US and Israel arms and funding of hostile to Iran terrorist and militant groups accomplishes nothing but increased anti-west sentiment. Canada should not get involved in clandestinely supporting terrorist/militant groups.




EAO- I am on vacation and yes I have kept up with your comparison of Israel as having the worst Human Rights in the area.

Do you have links to show this.
Oh yes-Iran and their so called fair elections- they approve who tuns- they decide who wins- and how many demonstrators went to jail for torture and show trials-
These countries are also in the area
You an also throw in Saudi, Iran, Egypt, Bahrain for sure- North Sudan- Come on and prove your points.
 

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You're talking to the wrong guy because I don't subscribe to your morality. I care about Americans and Canadians only. That's it. That's the way the world works. Post-modern liberal morality is dying all over the world.

Whoa............what a small world you occupy. You couldn't find a single person in another country that merits your concern? Pity.
 

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Whoa............what a small world you occupy. You couldn't find a single person in another country that merits your concern? Pity.

Recall the hurricanes that hit Haiti quite hard a few years ago. They also hit Florida and caused massive damage to their orange crops- We were visiting in NB at that time- Most of the people we were having beers with had at least 1 degree- well educated.

The talk about the hurricance was focusing on the cost of OJ increasing- me i blew a small gasket - Knowing the numbers of confirmed dead at the time i asked a question

What was the death toll in Haiti - only 11 person came close - and he had that days numbers- everyone else did not know or their guess was so low it was clearly a guess.

My point being- many people pretend to care - BaalsTears was quite honest in his post- I commend him for that.
To many would not be so forthright.

And I think that he sees a major world wide depression coming - as do I - and if it comes it will be a bad one. The Great Depression would not hold a cradle to the next one. The strife in our streets will be substantial.
 

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Canada was ordered to sever civilized relations with Iran by the present Lords of this World. Canadians did not agree to do this and it is invalid by means of unrepresentation. **** Israel
 

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Canada was ordered to sever civilized relations with Iran by the present Lords of this World. Canadians did not agree to do this and it is invalid by means of unrepresentation. **** Israel

Of course- And the WWJC has had an eye on your accounts for pilfering at just the right time. Of course you have an overdraft and they thank you for that. Running a conspiracy is expensive and we cannot expect Banks and Big Business to pick up the whole tab.

I suggest when the bomb |Iran to use rendered Pork Fat- Makes travelling difficult- and causes no environmental damage. Bio degradable- The new face of bombing.
 

darkbeaver

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Of course- And the WWJC has had an eye on your accounts for pilfering at just the right time. Of course you have an overdraft and they thank you for that. Running a conspiracy is expensive and we cannot expect Banks and Big Business to pick up the whole tab.

I suggest when the bomb |Iran to use rendered Pork Fat- Makes travelling difficult- and causes no environmental damage. Bio degradable- The new face of bombing.

Banks and big business picking up the tab, that's insane Booger! Not from around earth are you? Conspiracy is a whole lot cheaper than following the rules Goober. And we know how the crust likes to hang on to their stuff don't we? Goddamn right I believe in conspiracy, IT IS THE RULE!

Forget Iran, it’s Israel’s Nuclear Gun Pointed at Obama’s Head: The Myth of the US-Israel Special Bond

By Jonathan Cook
Global Research, September 10, 2012
Url of this article:
Forget Iran, it
It is possibly the greatest of American political myths, repeated ad nauseam by presidential candidates in their election campaigns. President Barack Obama has claimed that the United States enjoys a special bond with Israel unlike its relations with any other country. He has called the friendship “unshakeable”, “enduring” and “unique”, “anchored by our common interests and deeply held values”.
His Republican rival, Mitt Romney, has gone further, arguing that there is not “an inch of difference between ourselves and our ally Israel”. A recent Romney election ad, highlighting his summer visit to Israel, extolled the “deep and cherished relationship”.
But, while such pronouncements form the basis of an apparent Washington consensus, the reality is that the cherished friendship is no more than a fairy tale. It has been propagated by politicians to mask the suspicion — and plentiful examples of duplicity and betrayal — that have marked the relationship since Israel’s founding.
Politicians may prefer to express undying love for Israel, and hand over billions of dollars annually in aid, but the US security establishment has — at least, in private — always regarded Israel as an unfaithful partner.
The distrust has been particularly hard to hide in relation to Iran. Israel has been putting relentless pressure on Washington, apparently in the hope of manoeuvring it into supporting or joining an attack on Tehran to stop what Israel claims is an Iranian effort to build a nuclear bomb concealed beneath its civilian energy programme.
While coverage has focused on the personal animosity between Obama and the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, the truth is that US officials generally are deeply at odds with Israel on this issue.
The conflict burst into the open this month with reports that the Pentagon had scaled back next month’s joint military exercise, Austere Challenge, with the Israeli military that had been billed as the largest and most significant in the two countries’ history.
The goal of the exercise was to test the readiness of Israel’s missile-defence shield in case of Iranian reprisals — possibly the biggest fear holding Israel back from launching a go-it-alone attack. The Pentagon’s main leverage on Israel is its X-band radar, stationed in Israel but operated exclusively by a US crew, that would provide Israel with early warning of Iranian missiles.
A senior Israeli military official told Time magazine what message the Pentagon’s rethink had conveyed: “Basically what the Americans are saying is, ‘We don’t trust you’.”
But discord between the two “unshakeable allies” is not limited to Iran. Antipathy has been the norm for decades. Over the summer, current and former CIA officials admitted that the US security establishment has always regarded Israel as its number one counter-intelligence threat in the Middle East.
The most infamous spy working on Israel’s behalf was Jonathan Pollard, a naval intelligence officer who passed thousands of classified documents to Israel in the 1980s. Israel’s repeated requests for his release have been a running sore with the Pentagon, not least because defence officials regard promises that Israel would never again operate spies on US soil as insincere.
At least two more spies have been identified in the past few years. In 2008 a former US army engineer, Ben-Ami Kadish, admitted that he had allowed Israeli agents to photograph secret documents about US fighter jets and nuclear weapons in the 1980s. And in 2006 Lawrence Franklin, a US defence official, was convicted of passing classified documents to Israel concerning Iran.
In fact, such betrayals were assumed by Washington from the start of the relationship. In Israel’s early years, a US base in Cyprus monitored Israeli activities; today, Israeli communications are intercepted by a team of Hebrew linguists stationed at Fort Meade, Maryland.
Documents released this month by the Israeli air force archives also reveal that Israel eventually identified mysterious high-altitude planes that overflew its territory throughout the 1950s as American U-2 espionage planes.
In a sign of continuing US caution, Israel has not been included in the coterie of countries with which Washington shares sensitive intelligence. The members of the “Five Eyes” group, consisting of the US, Britain, Australia, Canada and New Zealand, have promised not to spy on each other — a condition Israel would have regularly flouted were it a member.
Indeed, Israel has even stolen the identities of nationals from these countries to assist in Mossad operations. Most notoriously, Israel forged passports to smuggle Israeli agents into Dubai in 2010 to assassinate Hamas leader Mahmoud Al Mabhouh.
Israel is far from a trusted ally in the US “war on terror”. A former intelligence official told the Associated Press in July that Israel ranked lower than Libya in a list of countries helping to fight terrorism compiled by the Bush administration after September 11.
So why all the talk of a special bond if the relationship is characterised by such deep mistrust?
Part of the answer lies in the formidably intimidating tactics of the pro-Israel lobby in Washington. Thomas Friedman, the New York Times columnist, spoke for a growing number of observers last year when he wrote that the US Congress was effectively “bought and paid for” by Israel’s lobbyists.
That power was all too evident last week when the Democratic national convention adopted an amended policy designating Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, in opposition to both international law and the vocal wishes of delegates.
But there is another, less spoken-of reason. Francis Perrin, the head of the French Atomic Agency in the 1950s and 1960s, when France was helping Israel develop a nuclear weapon against the wishes of the US, once observed that the Israeli bomb was really “aimed against the Americans”.
Not because Israel wanted to attack the US, but because it realised that — once it possessed the only nuclear arsenal in the Middle East — the US would rarely risk standing in its way, however much its policies ran counter to US interests.
For that reason, if no other, Israel is determined to stop any rival, including Iran, from getting a nuclear weapon that would end its monopoly.
 

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Banks and big business picking up the tab, that's insane Booger! Not from around earth are you? Conspiracy is a whole lot cheaper than following the rules Goober. And we know how the crust likes to hang on to their stuff don't we? Goddamn right I believe in conspiracy, IT IS THE RULE!

Forget Iran, it’s Israel’s Nuclear Gun Pointed at Obama’s Head: The Myth of the US-Israel Special Bond

By Jonathan Cook
Global Research, September 10, 2012
Url of this article:
Forget Iran, it
It is possibly the greatest of American political myths, repeated ad nauseam by presidential candidates in their election campaigns. President Barack Obama has claimed that the United States enjoys a special bond with Israel unlike its relations with any other country. He has called the friendship “unshakeable”, “enduring” and “unique”, “anchored by our common interests and deeply held values”.
His Republican rival, Mitt Romney, has gone further, arguing that there is not “an inch of difference between ourselves and our ally Israel”. A recent Romney election ad, highlighting his summer visit to Israel, extolled the “deep and cherished relationship”.
But, while such pronouncements form the basis of an apparent Washington consensus, the reality is that the cherished friendship is no more than a fairy tale. It has been propagated by politicians to mask the suspicion — and plentiful examples of duplicity and betrayal — that have marked the relationship since Israel’s founding.
Politicians may prefer to express undying love for Israel, and hand over billions of dollars annually in aid, but the US security establishment has — at least, in private — always regarded Israel as an unfaithful partner.
The distrust has been particularly hard to hide in relation to Iran. Israel has been putting relentless pressure on Washington, apparently in the hope of manoeuvring it into supporting or joining an attack on Tehran to stop what Israel claims is an Iranian effort to build a nuclear bomb concealed beneath its civilian energy programme.
While coverage has focused on the personal animosity between Obama and the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, the truth is that US officials generally are deeply at odds with Israel on this issue.
The conflict burst into the open this month with reports that the Pentagon had scaled back next month’s joint military exercise, Austere Challenge, with the Israeli military that had been billed as the largest and most significant in the two countries’ history.
The goal of the exercise was to test the readiness of Israel’s missile-defence shield in case of Iranian reprisals — possibly the biggest fear holding Israel back from launching a go-it-alone attack. The Pentagon’s main leverage on Israel is its X-band radar, stationed in Israel but operated exclusively by a US crew, that would provide Israel with early warning of Iranian missiles.
A senior Israeli military official told Time magazine what message the Pentagon’s rethink had conveyed: “Basically what the Americans are saying is, ‘We don’t trust you’.”
But discord between the two “unshakeable allies” is not limited to Iran. Antipathy has been the norm for decades. Over the summer, current and former CIA officials admitted that the US security establishment has always regarded Israel as its number one counter-intelligence threat in the Middle East.
The most infamous spy working on Israel’s behalf was Jonathan Pollard, a naval intelligence officer who passed thousands of classified documents to Israel in the 1980s. Israel’s repeated requests for his release have been a running sore with the Pentagon, not least because defence officials regard promises that Israel would never again operate spies on US soil as insincere.
At least two more spies have been identified in the past few years. In 2008 a former US army engineer, Ben-Ami Kadish, admitted that he had allowed Israeli agents to photograph secret documents about US fighter jets and nuclear weapons in the 1980s. And in 2006 Lawrence Franklin, a US defence official, was convicted of passing classified documents to Israel concerning Iran.
In fact, such betrayals were assumed by Washington from the start of the relationship. In Israel’s early years, a US base in Cyprus monitored Israeli activities; today, Israeli communications are intercepted by a team of Hebrew linguists stationed at Fort Meade, Maryland.
Documents released this month by the Israeli air force archives also reveal that Israel eventually identified mysterious high-altitude planes that overflew its territory throughout the 1950s as American U-2 espionage planes.
In a sign of continuing US caution, Israel has not been included in the coterie of countries with which Washington shares sensitive intelligence. The members of the “Five Eyes” group, consisting of the US, Britain, Australia, Canada and New Zealand, have promised not to spy on each other — a condition Israel would have regularly flouted were it a member.
Indeed, Israel has even stolen the identities of nationals from these countries to assist in Mossad operations. Most notoriously, Israel forged passports to smuggle Israeli agents into Dubai in 2010 to assassinate Hamas leader Mahmoud Al Mabhouh.
Israel is far from a trusted ally in the US “war on terror”. A former intelligence official told the Associated Press in July that Israel ranked lower than Libya in a list of countries helping to fight terrorism compiled by the Bush administration after September 11.
So why all the talk of a special bond if the relationship is characterised by such deep mistrust?
Part of the answer lies in the formidably intimidating tactics of the pro-Israel lobby in Washington. Thomas Friedman, the New York Times columnist, spoke for a growing number of observers last year when he wrote that the US Congress was effectively “bought and paid for” by Israel’s lobbyists.
That power was all too evident last week when the Democratic national convention adopted an amended policy designating Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, in opposition to both international law and the vocal wishes of delegates.
But there is another, less spoken-of reason. Francis Perrin, the head of the French Atomic Agency in the 1950s and 1960s, when France was helping Israel develop a nuclear weapon against the wishes of the US, once observed that the Israeli bomb was really “aimed against the Americans”.
Not because Israel wanted to attack the US, but because it realised that — once it possessed the only nuclear arsenal in the Middle East — the US would rarely risk standing in its way, however much its policies ran counter to US interests.
For that reason, if no other, Israel is determined to stop any rival, including Iran, from getting a nuclear weapon that would end its monopoly.
Old news- Were you in the basement again.
 

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There's a figurative storm coming. I can say that with confidence because prosperity and good times now have too many moving parts to work out. I wish this wasn't true. But it is what it is. I'm laying in a supply of good Canadian beer to tide me over the storm. :)
 

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Banks and big business picking up the tab, that's insane Booger! Not from around earth are you? Conspiracy is a whole lot cheaper than following the rules Goober. And we know how the crust likes to hang on to their stuff don't we? Goddamn right I believe in conspiracy, IT IS THE RULE!

Forget Iran, it’s Israel’s Nuclear Gun Pointed at Obama’s Head: The Myth of the US-Israel Special Bond

By Jonathan Cook
Global Research, September 10, 2012
Url of this article:
Forget Iran, it
It is possibly the greatest of American political myths, repeated ad nauseam by presidential candidates in their election campaigns. President Barack Obama has claimed that the United States enjoys a special bond with Israel unlike its relations with any other country. He has called the friendship “unshakeable”, “enduring” and “unique”, “anchored by our common interests and deeply held values”.
His Republican rival, Mitt Romney, has gone further, arguing that there is not “an inch of difference between ourselves and our ally Israel”. A recent Romney election ad, highlighting his summer visit to Israel, extolled the “deep and cherished relationship”.
But, while such pronouncements form the basis of an apparent Washington consensus, the reality is that the cherished friendship is no more than a fairy tale. It has been propagated by politicians to mask the suspicion — and plentiful examples of duplicity and betrayal — that have marked the relationship since Israel’s founding.
Politicians may prefer to express undying love for Israel, and hand over billions of dollars annually in aid, but the US security establishment has — at least, in private — always regarded Israel as an unfaithful partner.
The distrust has been particularly hard to hide in relation to Iran. Israel has been putting relentless pressure on Washington, apparently in the hope of manoeuvring it into supporting or joining an attack on Tehran to stop what Israel claims is an Iranian effort to build a nuclear bomb concealed beneath its civilian energy programme.
While coverage has focused on the personal animosity between Obama and the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, the truth is that US officials generally are deeply at odds with Israel on this issue.
The conflict burst into the open this month with reports that the Pentagon had scaled back next month’s joint military exercise, Austere Challenge, with the Israeli military that had been billed as the largest and most significant in the two countries’ history.
The goal of the exercise was to test the readiness of Israel’s missile-defence shield in case of Iranian reprisals — possibly the biggest fear holding Israel back from launching a go-it-alone attack. The Pentagon’s main leverage on Israel is its X-band radar, stationed in Israel but operated exclusively by a US crew, that would provide Israel with early warning of Iranian missiles.
A senior Israeli military official told Time magazine what message the Pentagon’s rethink had conveyed: “Basically what the Americans are saying is, ‘We don’t trust you’.”
But discord between the two “unshakeable allies” is not limited to Iran. Antipathy has been the norm for decades. Over the summer, current and former CIA officials admitted that the US security establishment has always regarded Israel as its number one counter-intelligence threat in the Middle East.
The most infamous spy working on Israel’s behalf was Jonathan Pollard, a naval intelligence officer who passed thousands of classified documents to Israel in the 1980s. Israel’s repeated requests for his release have been a running sore with the Pentagon, not least because defence officials regard promises that Israel would never again operate spies on US soil as insincere.
At least two more spies have been identified in the past few years. In 2008 a former US army engineer, Ben-Ami Kadish, admitted that he had allowed Israeli agents to photograph secret documents about US fighter jets and nuclear weapons in the 1980s. And in 2006 Lawrence Franklin, a US defence official, was convicted of passing classified documents to Israel concerning Iran.
In fact, such betrayals were assumed by Washington from the start of the relationship. In Israel’s early years, a US base in Cyprus monitored Israeli activities; today, Israeli communications are intercepted by a team of Hebrew linguists stationed at Fort Meade, Maryland.
Documents released this month by the Israeli air force archives also reveal that Israel eventually identified mysterious high-altitude planes that overflew its territory throughout the 1950s as American U-2 espionage planes.
In a sign of continuing US caution, Israel has not been included in the coterie of countries with which Washington shares sensitive intelligence. The members of the “Five Eyes” group, consisting of the US, Britain, Australia, Canada and New Zealand, have promised not to spy on each other — a condition Israel would have regularly flouted were it a member.
Indeed, Israel has even stolen the identities of nationals from these countries to assist in Mossad operations. Most notoriously, Israel forged passports to smuggle Israeli agents into Dubai in 2010 to assassinate Hamas leader Mahmoud Al Mabhouh.
Israel is far from a trusted ally in the US “war on terror”. A former intelligence official told the Associated Press in July that Israel ranked lower than Libya in a list of countries helping to fight terrorism compiled by the Bush administration after September 11.
So why all the talk of a special bond if the relationship is characterised by such deep mistrust?
Part of the answer lies in the formidably intimidating tactics of the pro-Israel lobby in Washington. Thomas Friedman, the New York Times columnist, spoke for a growing number of observers last year when he wrote that the US Congress was effectively “bought and paid for” by Israel’s lobbyists.
That power was all too evident last week when the Democratic national convention adopted an amended policy designating Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, in opposition to both international law and the vocal wishes of delegates.
But there is another, less spoken-of reason. Francis Perrin, the head of the French Atomic Agency in the 1950s and 1960s, when France was helping Israel develop a nuclear weapon against the wishes of the US, once observed that the Israeli bomb was really “aimed against the Americans”.
Not because Israel wanted to attack the US, but because it realised that — once it possessed the only nuclear arsenal in the Middle East — the US would rarely risk standing in its way, however much its policies ran counter to US interests.
For that reason, if no other, Israel is determined to stop any rival, including Iran, from getting a nuclear weapon that would end its monopoly.

Old news again- Clearly the mold in the basement has had an affect. See your local Jewish Doctor. He has the cure - at a price of course.
 

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Source: Tehran is officially non grata in Ottawa now. What’s cooking, asks Eric Walberg
On 7 September, Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird announced that Canada is suspending all diplomatic relations with Iran, expelling all Iranian diplomats, closing its embassy in Tehran, and authorizing Turkey to act on Canada's behalf for consular services there. Baird cited Iran’s enmity with Israel, its support of Syria and terrorism. "Canada views the government of Iran as the most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today," Baird said at the Asia Pacific Economic Conference in Vladivostok, Russia.
Canada has not had a full ambassador in Iran since 2007. Relations between the two countries cooled after Iranian-Canadian free-lance photographer Zahra Kazemi died in Iran in 2003 under disputed circumstances, and went from bad to worse under the Conservative government in power in Ottawa since then.
While indeed Iran has been the nation most outspokenly critic of Israel, and is actively working to thwart the Western-backed insurgency in Syria, there is no evidence of its support for "terrorism". It is in fact the victim of terrorism on the part of Israel and the US, which boast about assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists and destroying Iranian computers with viruses made-to-order, among other officially-sponsored acts of subversion.
Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast suggested that the real reason for Harper's latest targeting of Iran was because of Iran's successful hosting of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) summit in Tehran in August. Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Ali Khamenei says Tehran’s hosting of the 16th NAM Summit was a “humiliating defeat” for the West.
Humiliation is indeed the operative word for Canada in particular. The past five years of Conservative rule in Canada under the fiercely pro-Israeli Prime Minister Stephen Harper have brought nothing but disgrace to Canada internationally, and this present move adds further humiliation.http://rense.com/general95/candip.html
 

wulfie68

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Sorry EAO and other Iranian apologists, but in the Iran vs Israel argument, it boils down to one key issue: one country thinks the other has no right to exist while the other thinks the first shouldn't have the Bomb. Guess which one I side with?
 

darkbeaver

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( Canada offered it's international reputation for further besmirchment) just have teddy bear Canada tell everyone who the bad guys are. Nobody would believe that we would lie like that. They'll sell our kids into war just as cheaply.

Sorry EAO and other Iranian apologists, but in the Iran vs Israel argument, it boils down to one key issue: one country thinks the other has no right to exist while the other thinks the first shouldn't have the Bomb. Guess which one I side with?
Most of the world thinks that genocidal regime should slide into the ocean. Nobody should have the bomb especially Israel. How many Israeli bombs are hidden in western capitals? That's why they all kiss the Israeli ass. mortal fear is not undying love
 

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( Canada offered it's international reputation for further besmirchment) just have teddy bear Canada tell everyone who the bad guys are. Nobody would believe that we would lie like that. They'll sell our kids into war just as cheaply.


Most of the world thinks that genocidal regime should slide into the ocean. Nobody should have the bomb especially Israel. How many Israeli bombs are hidden in western capitals? That's why they all kiss the Israeli ass. mortal fear is not undying love

Man; who let this kid off the reservation?

Your mother doesn't let you walk with scissors in your hand I hope.

Your anti-semitism knows no boundaries whatsoever and yet you still attempt to engage in sane conversation with humans?
 

55Mercury

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There's a figurative storm coming. I can say that with confidence because prosperity and good times now have too many moving parts to work out. I wish this wasn't true. But it is what it is. I'm laying in a supply of good Canadian beer to tide me over the storm. :)

My brother, Lord of Hyperbole, sends me this e-mail the other day:

R U paying attention!!!

Canada just closed embassy yesterday in Iran and expelled Iranian diplomats from Canada (5 days to leave). France just moved aircraft carrier "Hawk" off coast of Lebanon. Russia threatened to sink it yesterday where prime minister Harper is right now trying to cool things down. US Naval airbase at Miramar just went off-line from hydro grid couple days ago. Also, Camp Pendleton marine base at Oceanside where I was once stationed went off grid yesterday. Iranians stormed British embassy a few days ago. Iran now supplying Syria with arms. War is imminent.

Wakeup and smell the coffee percolating. We are clearly within a couple weeks of this thing breaking wide open.

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and I'm like, 'meh...whatever'

all-out war's as good a way to die as any, I suppose. it's these half-assed wars that only exacerbate and don't really eradicate the problems that irk me. strap a bomb on me and let's git 'er done. God is Great!
 

petros

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You're talking to the wrong guy because I don't subscribe to your morality. I care about Americans and Canadians only. That's it. That's the way the world works. Post-modern liberal morality is dying all over the world.
Hooray for Nationalism and "good" al Qaeda!
 

coldstream

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I can't think of one productive outcome to this.. except the Harper has ingratiated himself to certain neo-conservative and pro Israel lobbies. In terms of political effect its a complete non-event. Harper is positively slavish to groups he perceives as being closely associated with post national Global financial interests.. and many of them have this clearly identifiable political profile.