Bush Has His Own Gulag

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Reverend Blair

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Both of those links provided are merely speculation and opinion from Bush haters.
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Margolis is a very respected conservative journalist, Paco. Molly Ivins leans left, but she's been noted for her investigative journalism time and again.

Just because they looked at the facts and came to conclusion that you don't like does not mean they are wrong. The fact is that your government is using torture and that it has tried to justify the use of torture and evade domestic and international laws against torture at the very highest levels.

If you don't like having a criminal for a president, then impeach him and get an honest man in there. If you don't like being criticised for using torture, then don't use it.
 
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Paco

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Reverend Blair said:
Both of those links provided are merely speculation and opinion from Bush haters.
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Margolis is a very respected conservative journalist, Paco. Molly Ivins leans left, but she's been noted for her investigative journalism time and again.

Just because they looked at the facts and came to conclusion that you don't like does not mean they are wrong. The fact is that your government is using torture and that it has tried to justify the use of torture and evade domestic and international laws against torture at the very highest levels.

If you don't like having a criminal for a president, then impeach him and get an honest man in there. If you don't like being criticised for using torture, then don't use it.
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Facts? The New York Times broke the "story." According to the story, the ICRC claims the treatment of the prisoners is "tantamount to torture."

Tantamount? What kind of weasel little word is that. It is either torture or it is not. Further, the ICRC won't even confirm that account.

The NYT also says the report has U.S. authorities using "humiliation, solitary confinement, temperature extremes and forced positions." Wow. If that's torture, then I was tortured by my own government during Army basic training. In fact every American soldier and Marine is subject to this "torture" during his training.

I love having a criminal for a president. I can't wait till we rule the world like Rome did. And Canada is in chains.
 
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Reverend Blair

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RE: Bush Has His Own Gula

Feeling feisty tonight are you? Come to my house and I'll put you through some temperature extremes and make you stand on one foot with your arms held straight out for hours.

After that I'll bend your thumbs back until they touch your wrists and whack you in the bag a few times. Then you can tell me whether you think it's torture or not.

Of course what you and Georgie and his pet psychos that carry out the dirty work think does not matter. These acts are, by the definitions of international and US military and domestic laws, torture. When the lawsuits start rolling in, and they will, I don't want to listen to whining about how people are suing your government.

Bush and his gang of thugs are running little horror chambers all over the planet. What they are doing is illegal, immoral, and has been noted by most intelligence experts as getting unreliable results at best. The whole idea of "illegal combatants" is a made-up pile of horse sh*t designed to dodge laws.

This isn't a Rambo movie, Paco. Your country and your leaders seem unable to grasp that. That failing is going to cost you a lot of money in the end. It has already cost you any respect you had around the world and any chance of winning the peace in Middle East.

When the multi-million dollar settlements against your government start coming in a few years, I don't want to hear a single mumbling word out of your mouth.
 
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Rick van Opbergen

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Father's fears for Guantanamo son


Moazzam Begg has been held for more than two years

The father of a man held by the US at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba has spoken of his fears for his son's deteriorating mental and physical health. Moazzam Begg, 36, from Sparkhill, Birmingham, was arrested in Pakistan and has been held in isolation at the military base since January 2002.

His father, Azmat, said his son could be a "cabbage" by the time the case reaches the US Supreme Court. Mr Begg will visit the US Embassy next week to request a visa to see his son.

'Watched by camera'

He told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme: "From what I gather from different sources, it looks that he is deteriorating very badly and things are going badly physically and mentally. "I don't know how a person can stay in solitary confinement for such a long time and remain normal. "He has been there nearly three years in solitary confinement without even a guard, just being watched by a camera.

"It is a long, long battle, which I can fight but I don't think he can survive that long. "By that time, mentally he will be finished. He won't be able to say anything. He will be a cabbage." Mr Begg said that after months of requesting a visa to travel to the US, he had been invited to a meeting at the US Embassy next week. He added that the government had promised to support him in any visit, but had so far given him no practical help.
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I wonder what would the US do if one of its citizens is imprisoned for 3 years like this person? They call his captives terrorists. What do we call the US then?
 
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