Brit License Plates Get Chipped

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Brit License Plates Get Chipped By Mark Baard
Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,68429,00.html

02:00 AM Aug. 09, 2005 PT

The British government is preparing to test new high-tech license plates containing microchips capable of transmitting unique vehicle identification numbers and other data to readers more than 300 feet away.

Officials in the United States say they'll be closely watching the British trial as they contemplate initiating their own tests of the plates, which incorporate radio frequency identification, or RFID, tags to make vehicles electronically trackable.

"We definitely have an interest in testing an RFID-tagged license plate," said Jerry Dike, chairman of the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators and director of the Vehicle Titles and Registration Division of the Texas Department of Transportation.

So-called "active" RFID tags, like the one in the e-Plate made by the U.K. firm Hills Numberplates, have built-in batteries, allowing them to broadcast data much farther than the small passive tags used to track inventory at retail stores.

Active RFID is already enjoying limited use on U.S. roadways. Under a new program, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security is issuing RFID tags to foreign freight and passenger vehicles as they enter the country.

The technology is also used in electronic toll-collection systems in the United States to automatically charge participating drivers as they breeze past unstaffed toll booths. In the San Francisco Bay Area, FasTrak toll transponders are also polled at readers away from the toll booths, to determine how quickly traffic is moving through particular areas.

Proponents argue that making such RFID tags mandatory and ubiquitous is a logical move to counter the threat of terrorists using the roadways, and that it will scoop up insurance and registration scofflaws in the process.

"We see tremendous advantages to the (e-Plate) for everything from verifying registration and insurance to Amber (missing child) Alerts," said Dike. But because the RFID plates can cost 10 times more than ordinary plates, they will need strong support from governors and state legislatures before they are tested in the states, Dike added. "It will be several years before Texas will be able to test the e-Plate" on any of the 4 million to 4.5 million cars it registers annually.

Privacy advocates are less enthusiastic about the technology.

"It's too easy for (RFID license plates) to become a back-door surveillance tool," said Jim Harper, director of information studies at libertarian think tank the Cato Institute and a member of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee.

Civil libertarians don't object to an RFID automatic toll-collection system that "anonymizes" vehicles in databases once a transaction is completed. But they doubt the government -- given its thirst for intelligence -- will use such privacy-protection measures. From a law-enforcement perspective, "there is no reason to have privacy for anything," said Lee Tien, senior staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

Active RFID is a huge improvement over cameras that use optical character recognition to read license plates and are accurate only 75 to 90 percent of the time, said Michael Wolf, president of the EVI Management Group.

The U.K. Department for Transport gave the official go-ahead for the microchipped number plates (as they are called in the United Kingdom) last week, and the trial is expected to begin later this year. The government has been tight-lipped about the details. One of the vendors bidding to participate in the trial said it would start with smartplates added to some police cars.

The point of the test is to see whether microchips will make number plates harder to tamper with and clone, said U.K. Department for Transport spokesman Ian Weller-Skitt.

Many commuters use counterfeit plates to avoid the London congestion charge, a fee imposed on passenger vehicles entering central London during busy hours.
 

Jay

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Just put you're plate in the microwave for a few seconds...that should kill that chip....
 

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Re: RE: Brit License Plates Get Chipped

Ten Packs said:
Jay said:
Just put you're plate in the microwave for a few seconds...that should kill that chip....

Wouldn't a strong magnet do the same?


Depends....hard drives are affected by magnets....chips, I'm not sure.

A microwave will break the chip for good, along with the micro wave....they are cheap though....
 

mrmom2

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They are purposing this in BC too I saw it on the news the other night .I say go ahead and try :x Peole are not going to stand for this bullshit I hope 8O
 

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RE: Brit License Plates G

People will stand for just about anything, Mom. They tell us it's for our own good, and we get in line. It's disgusting.

The best bet for defeating this isn't that it's invasive and bears the stench of big brother, the best bet for defeating this is that it might cost people a few pennies. Take away their rights and most people will thank you for it, charge them a fee and it becomes an issue.

I say we all start screaming about the cost.
 

mrmom2

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You can bet that we'll pay for the privllege having these chipped plates :x You got to pay if you don't want your car stollen 8O Thats the excuse their using 8O
 

Jay

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Maybe we should just collectively pull the plates off our cars....We don’t really need them anyways.
 

mrmom2

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I don't have a problem with insuring my cars I have a problem with goverments tracking my movements and ya know were this will lead :x They'll put up the readers and start taxing us by the mile and don't kid yourself thats what these chips are about its got nothing to do with keeping your car safe from thieves :x
 

Reverend Blair

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What's the big deal with having these on your cars? If you're not doing anything wrong, then it shouldent affect you.

So it wouldn't bother you if I followed you around every single place you went and recorded all of your movements?

This kind of record keeping is very open to abuses like guilt by association. Something happens in an area you were known to have been in, and suddenly you are a suspect. You not even be aware that something occurred, but they know you were there and you'd better have a damned good reason for it.
 

mrmom2

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What's the big deal with having these on your cars? If you're not doing anything wrong, then it shouldent affect you.
:roll: Typical sheeple response Hey preppy clown how would you like if you went to the doctor with a broken arm and he said no big deal will just break the other one .Its the same thing Wake up :roll:
 

Jay

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p106_peppy said:
What's the big deal with having these on your cars? If you're not doing anything wrong, then it shouldent affect you.

You're all paranoid.

Sorry to jump on the wagon here but...who's paranoid...us or the people making us do this stuff?
 

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Reverend Blair said:
. . . So it wouldn't bother you if I followed you around every single place you went and recorded all of your movements? . . .
Like nearly every other tool or piece of technology, the problem is not in the ePlate itself, but in the system and the human element operating it.

A system that only collects the information it must collect to perform its function, and randomizes all unnecessary data would be a fairly benign way for law enforcement to police highways without undue delay.

As long as the operators resist all tendances to collect more data they are authorized to collect, take sufficient precautions against sharing data, or allowing their data to fall into the hands of others, there should be no great concern.

Technology is rapidly forcing society to change its concept of privacy.

If you regularly pay for most purchases via credit card, carry a medium-to-high-end cell phone, use ABMs, park in an urban parking garage, regularly pass through major intersections, or travel on toll roads, or patronize 7-11 type variety stores, you are already having your movements sufficiently noted electronically to have left electronic footprints behind, capable of tracking your movements.

As each individual surveillance system is linked into other systems, the web about you will be drawn tighter and tighter.

Even logging onto this bulletin board involves leaving tracks linking you at the keyboard with your posts in this forum.

I am afraid that what you are objecting to is called The Future.
 

mrmom2

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Ya don't get it GL ITS for taxation :roll: You ready to be taxed on roads your tax dollars have already paid for 8O
 

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mrmom2 said:
Ya don't get it GL ITS for taxation :roll: You ready to be taxed on roads your tax dollars have already paid for 8O
You stop that politically, if you can, not by trying to circumvent technology.