Brexiteers waking up!

[White_Unifier]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw6JVF_3I0U

It would seem that some foolish Brexiteers genuinely believed that the UK could leave the EU while they could stil keep their EU citizenship? What the hell kind of logic do your public schools teach your kids?

If I were British, I probably would have leaned towards remaining in the EU while trying to encourage the EU from within to lower tariffs against the rest of the world.

If Brexit must happen, then I'd lean towards unilateral global free trade with maybe some kind of agreement to maintain a common EU citizenship but out of the EU otherwise.

Oh well, expect wave of expats flowing in in the next little while.

 

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British rights in Spain ’to be DEFENDED in no-deal Brexit’ - BREXPAT BOOST

By Joe Duggan
Daily Express
Saturday November 17th 2018

SPAIN is preparing a law to allow millions of British holidaymakers to visit without a visa and ensure expats maintain access to health care in the event of a no-deal Brexit, in a move which has been welcomed by Britons abroad.

Pedro Sanchez’s PSOE government’s contingency plan would ensure UK residents in Spain don’t become illegal immigrants once Britain exits the bloc on March 29, 2019, according to Spanish financial newspaper Expansion. Anne Hernandez, head of campaign group Brexpats in Spain, welcomed news of the Spanish proposed law to protect British citizens’ rights. The group, which has 5,500 members, has been lobbying Spanish politicians to ensure they retain existing rights after Britain’s leaving date of March 29, 2019.

Ms Hernandez, who is based in Andalusia, told Express.co.uk a law to ensure Brits in Spain retain their rights “would be wonderful”.

She said: “There are over 300,000 British residents here. It would be a considerable loss.

“There are people here in business, and even the pensioners spend - they invest in property, for example.

“Marbella Council has asked that I support a party proposal to allow their 4,000 British residents to have the same rights as before Brexit.

Around 300,000 British people live in Spain, with fears over their post-Brexit status after no deal

“I said ‘Wonderful, but I do not want it to only be Marbella’.”

Ms Hernandez's comments came after Theresa May’s LBC live radio phone-in on Friday, in which she was questioned by Ellen, a British resident in Alicante, on whether Brits will retain access to health care in a no-deal Brexit.

Mrs May said: “If there is no deal I have said EU citizens living here in the UK will have their rights protected.

“And I would expect the countries in the EU to do the same for UK citizens living in their country.”

Ms Hernandez added: “We sincerely hope that will be the case, that it is not just a throwaway comment, like Theresa May makes. I am hopeful Pedro Sanchez will defend us.”

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) said there were 293,500 British people living in Spain in 2017.

Just over two fifths (40.7 per cent) of that number are aged 65 or older, with many British expats concerned how Brexit will affect access to Spain’s public health system.

And, according to Spanish financial and business newspaper Expansion, Mr Sanchez’s Socialist government wants to ensure British residents can continue to use Spanish hospitals, with the UK government paying around £223 million (€300 million) to fund the care.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...holidaymakers-visa-health-care-rights-no-deal

 

[White_Unifier]

So if Theresa May will protect the rights of foreigners in the UK, what ever happened to the UK controlling its borders? Now you have to accept EU citizens out of a fear that if you don't, many UK expats will have their butts kicked to the curb.

 

[Blackleaf]

So if Theresa May will protect the rights of foreigners in the UK, what ever happened to the UK controlling its borders?

The UK IS controlling its own borders. It's the British Government implementing its own immigration policy.

Now you have to accept EU citizens

No, we don't.

We can accept who we like and not accept who we don't like when we leave the EU, just as Canada and every other sovereign state does.

And I don't know why you want Britain to continue with the EU's racist immigration policy which discriminates against people from, for example, Canada. Why should a Frenchman or an Estonian have more right to live in the UK than a Canadian?

out of a fear that if you don't, many UK expats will have their butts kicked to the curb.

You could say the same the other way round - if Spain starts piss-farting about with British immigrants then Britain could retaliate and take action against Spanish citizens in Britain.

Of course, British expats in Spain prop up the Spanish economy, which would collapse were it not for the British expats.

 

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Amongst the many lies the Remainers tell us is that Brexit will negatively affect British expats living in EU countries.

Arch-Remainer Dominic Grieve has claimed that “EU exit would make 2 million Britons abroad illegal immigrants overnight.”

But what the Remainers never mention is the 1969 Vienna Convention, which Greenland invoked when it left the EU in 1985:

The 1969 Vienna Convention contains articles that are based on ‘acquired rights’, which individuals build up over time and hold despite any changes in future treaties enacted by their nation.

Moreover, “acquired rights” were acknowledged in Greenland’s withdrawal from the European Economic Community (EEC). Under the term “vested rights”, the European Commission said that Greenland should retain the “substance” of free movement rights for workers from the EEC at the time of withdrawal.

As a House of Commons Library note clarified: “Generally speaking, withdrawing from a treaty releases the parties from any future obligations to each other, but does not affect any rights or obligations acquired under it before withdrawal.”

Therefore, the EU’s freedom of movement rights would be honoured for all those citizens who reside in other EEA nations prior to any Treaty changes. Furthermore, the Greenland example also included a transitional period. This works both ways, and the UK’s Vienna Convention obligations would prevent any government from deporting migrants who came to the UK under the old system.

The UK’s large expatriate retiree community in Spain, France and Italy would also not have to worry. While the Centre for European Reform has claimed that, were Britain to leave, “Spain might demand that British retirees on the costas pay for their own healthcare or it may try to limit migrants’ access to healthcare… Their healthcare is costly to the Spanish treasury, which is struggling to balance its books” this is inaccurate, as the NHS would be responsible for paying the cost of healthcare of pensioners abroad in any case.

In 2013-14, the UK paid £580m to other EEA countries for the treatment of British pensioners resident in the EEA, while it received just £12m from other EEA countries in the same year for the treatment of EEA pensioners in the UK. Further, as previously noted, the Vienna Convention would guarantee the right to remain for Britons already in European nations through acquired rights.

Extracted from Change, or go, published by Business for Britain. The editorial board: Jon Moynihan (Chairman); Andrew Allum of LEK Consulting; Matthew Elliott of Business for Britain; Luke Johnson Risk Capital Partners; Mark Littlewood of the Institute of Economic Affairs; John Mills of JML Ltd; Helena Morrissey of Newton; and Viscount Ridley. Telegraph Media Group helped fund the study.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ne...-expats-have-nothing-to-fear-from-Brexit.html