Bowling for columbine (Split topic)

[czardogs]

Bowling for Columbine.

It answers many of the questions and statements made in this thread. Powerful and to the point.

I am sure many of the intelligent posters here have already seen it, but if you have not, its worth the money to see in the theatre - if its still there in your neck of the woods.

 

[Andem]

I've been very close to seeing that movie. Something about it didnt appeal to me, but I'll have a look at it when I have the chance and let you guys know my opinion (if any) of it.

 

[czardogs]

I've been very close to seeing that movie. Something about it didnt appeal to me, but I'll have a look at it when I have the chance and let you guys know my opinion (if any) of it.

Dont hesitate. I did the same thing and I kicked myself for not seeing it earlier. Very eye opening on the differences between America and Canada, especially when it comes to violence via the gun.

 

[Andem]

I've got it... Im going to watch it a bit later. I'll post my comments on it soon.

 

[Andem]

Okay... I've seen the movie.. I have to say it's really good, a part from the strong left-wing sentiment on other issues apart from gun control. I have more to say on the movie, but ill do a bigger review when I have more time

 

[Cyberm4n]

Hello, where can i get this movie 'bowling for columbine'?

 

[Vincent_2002]

It's in stores cyberman.

 

[czardogs]

It's in stores cyberman.

We should start a thread on the movie and its impact and message.

 

[Andem]

Ahh, cool. A new thread about the movie, im gonna copy those gun murder rates for countries around the world..... and the timeline for US attacks around the world (incl. the 4 million in southeast asia)

 

[Andem]

Gun murder-rates around the world:

Germany: 381

France: 255

Canada: 165

U.K.: 68

Australia: 65

Japan: 39

United States: 11,127

 

[Andem]

1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. U.S. installs Shah as dictator.

1954: U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala. 200,000 civilians killed.

1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.

1963-1975: American military kills 4 million civilians in Southeast Asia.

September 11, 1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile. Democratically elected president Salvador Allende assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed. 5,000 Chileans murdered.

1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.

1980's: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets. CIA gives them $3 billion.

1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras". 30,000 Nicaraguans die.

1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.

1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to help them kill Iraqis.

1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000 Panamanian civilian casualties.

1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.

1991: U.S. enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.

1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin.

1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis. U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.

2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid".

September 11, 2001: Osama Bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people.

 

[Anonymous]

Andem, where did you get those gun figures from? They say a lot.

On what evidence do you think OBL was involved in 911?


Over the last 100 yrs up till 2001, the US military has "intervened" in 135 countries.

 

[Andem]

Stretch: Those numbers are from the docufilm "Bowling for columbine". I just posted them because, as you said, they say a lot.

I have no doubt they are correct, but ofcourse, I don't have hard proof. I could gather it, but im not gonna

 

[czardogs]

Stretch: Those numbers are from the docufilm "Bowling for columbine". I just posted them because, as you said, they say a lot.

I have no doubt they are correct, but ofcourse, I don't have hard proof. I could gather it, but im not gonna

the numbers are true. Sad but true. Same thing goes for the nasty outline of american double-crosses and skullduggery.

 

[Andem]

He's right.. I did some research after all and found it's all correct information.. It is sad.

 

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[spilledthebeer]

1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. U.S. installs Shah as dictator.

1954: U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala. 200,000 civilians killed.

1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.

1963-1975: American military kills 4 million civilians in Southeast Asia.

September 11, 1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile. Democratically elected president Salvador Allende assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed. 5,000 Chileans murdered.

1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.

1980's: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets. CIA gives them $3 billion.

1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras". 30,000 Nicaraguans die.

1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.

1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to help them kill Iraqis.

1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000 Panamanian civilian casualties.

1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.

1991: U.S. enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.

1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin.

1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis. U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.

2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid".

September 11, 2001: Osama Bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people.

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I CALL BULLSH+T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Saddam and his Iraqi army had RUSSIAN GEAR BECAUSE YANKEES WOULD NOT SELL TO HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SADDAM HAD RUSSIAN GEAR that was so modern even Russians did not have it yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And I CALL BULLSH+T on your comments about Chile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YOU IGNORE the vicious civil war being fought by left wingers seeking to install their own dictatorship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But then there is NO REASON to expect anything like an even handed approach to history from the lunatic left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!