Athenian Democracy - remove the Elites!!

Karlin

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"Ostracism" was a Greek method of ensuring that politicians didn't get too powerfull - they would be shut out of Athens, and therefore would lose their authoriy and influence, and ability to gain further power.

In BC, we have recall of elected officials. Thats getting close to Ostracism, but we don't banish them from the large cities like the Greeks did.

I would extend the system of Ostracism to anyone who is gaining too much power through wealth, not just politicians who gain too much power thru 'politicing'.

When individuals get too wealthy, democracy is threatened, people can be paid off or undercut, overwhelmed by money, etc. Its not right that an individual could attain so much of a portion of a nation's wealth, since wealth requires infrastructure and supports of all kinds from the public sphere.

We in this modern first world have been trained to believe that the economy is absolutely dependant on investments from the wealthy, and therefore we not only let them, but encourage them and pat them on the back for getting filty rich. Its not true - growth and investment can be done in any number of ways, and even the past resort of a socialist government doing it is just as good as individuals doing investments in new risky projects that keep people working and happy.

Concentration of wealth is a dangerous thing for democracy and for the well-being of any civilisation. It creates unrest and it creates jealousy. It also creates an imbalance in the economy, and more poverty tends to creep into societys with concentrations of wealth like we have now.

So OSTRACISE them!! Let them have their fortresses, or private islands, whatever, but get them out of the public sphere where they will continue to erase the ideal of equality by concentrating the wealth of a nation further.

Def. of classical Athenian "Ostracism" -
At least 6000 citizens had to 'vote' for an ostracism to be valid, and all the biggest political fish risked being fried in this ceremonious way. For almost a hundred years ostracism fulfilled its function of aborting serious civil unrest or even civil war. At the end of the fifth century it was replaced by a legal procedure administered by the jurors of the people's courts. Power to the people, all the people, especially the poor majority, remained the guiding principle of Athenian democracy.

PS - hey! I never heard of this in MY history classes. Maybe I was asleep, because I am sure I would have glommed onto this idea long ago if I had known it was actually used to the benefit of the great ancient Greek civilisation.
 

darkbeaver

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RE: Athenian Democracy -

Great reading, a good idea thats been sweept under the rug by the very class it was suppose to suppress for the benefit of the majority. I'd vote for this programe tomorrow
but I wouldn't allow them to live and perpetuate thier ideas
I'd hang the whole lot, crucifiction would do the trick, none of them are worth a can of snot.
 

Jay

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Karlin said:
When individuals get too wealthy, democracy is threatened, .

I think that sums up the idiocy rather nicely.


If jealously was outlawed what would be left of the left?
 

Karlin

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Jay said:
Karlin said:
When individuals get too wealthy, democracy is threatened, .

I think that sums up the idiocy rather nicely.


If jealously was outlawed what would be left of the left?

Idiot? The Athenians?

My friend, you got it wrong. We are HUNGRY , not jealous. . .

What support can you show us for having someone so wealthy that millions could be living modestly well on, yet they are poor despite the fact they all work hard.
THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH TO GO AROUND, SOCIETY CREATED IT ALL, AND SO NOBODY DESERVES TO HAVE SO MUCH.

Its really quite simple.
But I would not say that you are, because "name -calling" reduces us all my freind.
As one of your conservative Red Green charachter says:
"We are all in this together."

Can you dig it?
Karlin