Andronicus–Christ

Ludlow

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In other words, "Stupid is as Stupid does."
I'm not picking up the analogy but I do like Forrest Gump.

I gain so much through this discourse, LL. Sincere and many thanks.
Difficult to communicate thoughts when all of us seem to have our own perspective of things. Yours is a Christian perspective. I guess mine would be an ex Christian perspective. Honestly I've no intention to condemn or tear down anything. Just trying to learn and get by myself.
 

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Difficult to communicate thoughts when all of us seem to have our own perspective of things. Yours is a Christian perspective. I guess mine would be an ex Christian perspective. Honestly I've no intention to condemn or tear down anything. Just trying to learn and get by myself.

Are you a truth-seeker, LL? If so, we share this common ground : )
 

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Sure. But most are. I think very few people have ulterior motives.

But there also is this thing called willful ignorance. Based on primarily fear and guilt.

And indoctrination
 

Motar

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Sure. But most are. I think very few people have ulterior motives. But there also is this thing called willful ignorance. Based on primarily fear and guilt. And indoctrination

Gratefully, you and I are not burdened by such things : )
 

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These great texts has been written as emotional pablum for the masses
over the centuries. I chose to live now, not repeating old texts as some
mantra or the future will be better in heaven. Its a lottery but if there are
others on other planets we would all be competing for space in the new
heaven. The symbols of yesterday I see as distractions in life for all to
get worked up about and miss what is going on under our nose
 

selfsame

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These great texts has been written as emotional pablum for the masses
over the centuries. I chose to live now, not repeating old texts as some
mantra or the future will be better in heaven. Its a lottery but if there are
others on other planets we would all be competing for space in the new
heaven. The symbols of yesterday I see as distractions in life for all to
get worked up about and miss what is going on under our nose

Now the new Quran interpretation is given to you, not yesterday, but today.
Man cannot compete for the new heaven: it is up to God; but if man keeps to his atheism, he will stick to the earth, like Balaam son of Beor the worshipper at the time of Moses.

Quran 7: 176, which means:
{Had We pleased We would have raised him up [to Paradise] e because of that [: his piety and worship]; but he inclined to [stay on] the earth f, and followed his [own vain] desires g.}
.......................................................

e i.e. We would have raised Balaam to heaven following his death.
f i.e. he preferred staying on earth to going up to heaven, and preferred the temporary money to the lasting prosperity because of his disobedience.
g Because his soul deceived him to invoke destruction for the Children of Israel, in spite of that they did not hurt him neither did they speak against him any bad words.

So likewise, you Jews, started to hurt and oppose Mohammed, in spite of that he did not hurt you with anything, but he in fact believed your Book and confirmed your religion.

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.

The story of Balaam is written in the Torah, the Book of Numbers, chapter 22.

16. CHRISTIAN CROSS AND CRESCENT MOON WITH A STAR. In the epoch of the XII-XVI cc. the following two well-known symbols effectively signified the same thing. It is a crescent moon with a star and a Christian cross adjacent to a crescent moon, fig.13 [КР], ch.5. Today a crescent moon with a star is considered to be exclusively a symbol of Islam, of the Muslim faith, and a cross, at the base of which there is a crescent is regarded purely as a Christian symbol. However, Christianity of the XII-XVI cc. was one entity, and it was only at the end of the XVI century that a split began to appear, which led in the XVII century to the division of Christianity into several denominations – Orthodox Christianity, Islam, Catholicism, Judaism, Buddhism, etc. A formerly united Christian symbol – a crescent moon and a star=cross – possibly first symbolised the Star of Bethlehem, which lit up at Christ's birth in year 1152, and also the solar eclipse, associated with the crucifixion of Christ in year 1185. You may recall that during the solar eclipse the sun initially turns into a half crescent. The crescent may also symbolise the Moon, which blocks the Sun. The star (cross) inscribed inside the crescent was depicted in various ways four-pointed, five-pointed, s ix-pointed and eight-pointed.
After the division of the churches in the XVII century the symbol of the star-cross has 'multiplied' and gradually turned into its modern versions, including that of a crescent and a star (today, as a rule, five-pointed) and also into a cross, adjacent to a crescent, etc., fig.13. A six-pointed star (= 6-pointed cross), which has 'separated' from the crescent began to be called the 'star of David', which, by the way, is not surprising, as a significant part of the legends of Biblical David refer to Andronicus-Christ [ЦРС] Christ was always associated with the Star of Bethlehem. So the 'star of David', which today is considered exclusively to be a Judaic symbol, most likely symbolizes The Star of Bethlehem of the XII century.
The fact, that on the domes of many Russian churches and cathedrals there is towering a Christian cross and a crescent, attracts our attention. Historians and members of clergy are often asked a question: what does it mean? As today a crescent is considered to be a symbol of Islam, distant from Christianity. So why then a crescent can be seen together with a cross? Usually the answer is as follows: purportedly, in the epoch of the religious wars Christianity in Europe defeated Islam. So they put an Ottoman crescent at the base of the Christian a cross as a symbol of victory, so that the people always remembered of the' triumph of the cross over the crescent'.
But such 'explanations' are invented post factum and do not represent the facts. The true meaning we have made clear above.
In some places in Russia there have survived old depictions of a Christian cross and a crescent, where the crescent is not situated below, BUT IN THE VERY CENTRE OF THE CROSS, fig. 14 AND EVEN ON TOP OF THE CROSS, ABOVE IT, fig.15 [КР] ch.5. So it is completely impossible to say, that here is depicted 'victory of the cross over the crescent'. If we follow the 'logic' of the historians, then we'll have the opposite: the crescent, placed ABOVE the cross should have been symbolizing the victory of Islam over Christianity. But how could a symbol like that appear in the Christian Orthodox cathedrals?!HOW IT WAS IN REALITY

Prophet Mohammed (neither was Jesus, nor had Moses) made any symbol like these: the hexagonal star of Jews, the cross of Christians and the crescent of Muslims: these are the idolatry, I think.

I heard that Abu abd-Allah said about the flag:
The flag is green written on it: No god but God, Mohammed is the messenger of God (in Arabic.)
 
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darkbeaver

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These great texts has been written as emotional pablum for the masses
over the centuries. I chose to live now, not repeating old texts as some
mantra or the future will be better in heaven. Its a lottery but if there are
others on other planets we would all be competing for space in the new
heaven. The symbols of yesterday I see as distractions in life for all to
get worked up about and miss what is going on under our nose

The Suns power is eternal, it alone dictates every moment of the you. Ignore it's command at your peril. If it's late getting back in the spring it will have been your fault.
 

darkbeaver

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16. CHRISTIAN CROSS AND CRESCENT MOON WITH A STAR. In the epoch of the XII-XVI cc. the following two well-known symbols effectively signified the same thing. It is a crescent moon with a star and a Christian cross adjacent to a crescent moon, fig.13 [КР], ch.5. Today a crescent moon with a star is considered to be exclusively a symbol of Islam, of the Muslim faith, and a cross, at the base of which there is a crescent is regarded purely as a Christian symbol. However, Christianity of the XII-XVI cc. was one entity, and it was only at the end of the XVI century that a split began to appear, which led in the XVII century to the division of Christianity into several denominations – Orthodox Christianity, Islam, Catholicism, Judaism, Buddhism, etc. A formerly united Christian symbol – a crescent moon and a star=cross – possibly first symbolised the Star of Bethlehem, which lit up at Christ's birth in year 1152, and also the solar eclipse, associated with the crucifixion of Christ in year 1185. You may recall that during the solar eclipse the sun initially turns into a half crescent. The crescent may also symbolise the Moon, which blocks the Sun. The star (cross) inscribed inside the crescent was depicted in various ways four-pointed, five-pointed, s ix-pointed and eight-pointed.
After the division of the churches in the XVII century the symbol of the star-cross has 'multiplied' and gradually turned into its modern versions, including that of a crescent and a star (today, as a rule, five-pointed) and also into a cross, adjacent to a crescent, etc., fig.13. A six-pointed star (= 6-pointed cross), which has 'separated' from the crescent began to be called the 'star of David', which, by the way, is not surprising, as a significant part of the legends of Biblical David refer to Andronicus-Christ [ЦРС] Christ was always associated with the Star of Bethlehem. So the 'star of David', which today is considered exclusively to be a Judaic symbol, most likely symbolizes The Star of Bethlehem of the XII century.

The fact, that on the domes of many Russian churches and cathedrals there is towering a Christian cross and a crescent, attracts our attention. Historians and members of clergy are often asked a question: what does it mean? As today a crescent is considered to be a symbol of Islam, distant from Christianity. So why then a crescent can be seen together with a cross? Usually the answer is as follows: purportedly, in the epoch of the religious wars Christianity in Europe defeated Islam. So they put an Ottoman crescent at the base of the Christian a cross as a symbol of victory, so that the people always remembered of the' triumph of the cross over the crescent'.
But such 'explanations' are invented post factum and do not represent the facts. The true meaning we have made clear above.
In some places in Russia there have survived old depictions of a Christian cross and a crescent, where the crescent is not situated below, BUT IN THE VERY CENTRE OF THE CROSS, fig. 14 AND EVEN ON TOP OF THE CROSS, ABOVE IT, fig.15 [КР] ch.5. So it is completely impossible to say, that here is depicted 'victory of the cross over the crescent'. If we follow the 'logic' of the historians, then we'll have the opposite: the crescent, placed ABOVE the cross should have been symbolizing the victory of Islam over Christianity. But how could a symbol like that appear in the Christian Orthodox cathedrals?!HOW IT WAS IN REALITY