And again... (Another US Shooting)

Serryah

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Well, the good news is that if a parent living nearby had heard the shooting, grabbed a rifle, and headed for the school in the desperate hope of saving their child, the cops woulda shot them.

The thing is, they did, and parents did show up. Yelled at the cops for doing nothing. Demanded to be let in themselves because if the cops weren't going to go in, they would.

Some of the video coming out from the hour plus of wait time is just insane.
 

Serryah

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Did you think all the parents (in Texas) came without firearms to an active shooting site?



I don't think all, but I think there were parents there, yes, who had no guns or vests who were willing to go do the jobs the cops were supposedly there for.

And NONE of them were prepared for this.

Also interesting is this:


"We will find out as much as we can why it was unlocked, or maybe it was locked," Escalon said. "But right now, it appears it was unlocked."

The school district's extensive safety protocols, however, include outside buzz-in door systems, a locked classroom door policy, security guards and more."

So seems the district failed too.

And the republican solution? Only ONE door that is monitored at all times, arming teachers (but hey, can't trust those same teachers with books) and other totally freakin NUTS ideas that are less realistic than the Red Flag and Background checks that are at least sensible.

BTW, what would YOUR solution be?


"The aunt of an 11-year-old who survived the shooting said her niece used the blood of fellow students to play dead when the gunman entered her classroom.

“[She] got some blood and put it on herself so she could pretend she was dead,” Blanca Rivera told NBC 5 Dallas Fort Worth."

Tell me, WHY should that be what kids have to do at school? Tell me, why should kids be "Trained" for this kind of situation? Why should an 11 YEAR OLD GIRL have to KNOW how to do this, just to survive?

Tell me, WHY Republicans won't do a goddamn THING to stop this shit?? Because there is no goddamn money in protecting people but there IS sucking the glocks of the NRA.
 

Serryah

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Crazy people need to be institutionalized, better screening for gun permits, FBI release their assessments

Define crazy, and who is 'crazy' - is it anyone off their meds, anyone who takes their meds, if they need meds? Is depression, anxiety also 'crazy'? Or is it just BPD or Schizophrenia or Bi-Polarism? BTW, money for 'crazy' is a nono for Republicans.

Better screening for gun permits is a nono for Republicans.

FBI release assessments - or red flag stuff - is a nono for Republicans.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Define crazy, and who is 'crazy' - is it anyone off their meds, anyone who takes their meds, if they need meds? Is depression, anxiety also 'crazy'? Or is it just BPD or Schizophrenia or Bi-Polarism? BTW, money for 'crazy' is a nono for Republicans.

Better screening for gun permits is a nono for Republicans.

FBI release assessments - or red flag stuff - is a nono for Republicans.
Here's a pretty decent round-up of two very mild bills intended to close some of the loopholes in background checks, passed by the (majority-Democratic) House of Representatives that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has blocked and refuses to allow a vote on.

HR 8 and HR 1446
 
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Ron in Regina

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Police in Texas have revised key details about Tuesday's deadly school shooting as criticism mounts from parents over the initial response.

The gunman roamed outside the Uvalde school for 12 minutes before entering unchallenged, police said on Thursday.

That contradicted earlier statements that said the attacker was confronted and shot at by an on-site officer.

He killed 19 children and two teachers before he was shot dead 90 minutes after he first arrived, police said.

That delay, combined with video footage that showed frustrated parents being tackled and handcuffed by police while the gunman was still inside the school, has led to growing public anger and scrutiny of their early response.

It has also called into question claims by state Governor Greg Abbott, who earlier this week hailed the "quick response" of "valiant local officials" who he said had engaged the gunman before he entered the school. "They showed amazing courage by running toward gunfire," he said.

The latest timeline was given at a news conference by Texas Ranger Victor Escalon, who said several times that he wanted to "clear up" previous statements. He defended the police response and spoke of the emotional toll the shooting had taken on officers. "We're all hurting inside," he said.

But the timeline of events was still unclear after Thursday's briefing, and questions remain about how long it took officers to arrive and why the gunman, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, was inside the school for more than an hour before he was killed - not by local officers - but by a tactical unit led by US border agents.

Mr Escalon said Ramos crashed his vehicle nearby at 11:28, with the first emergency call coming two minutes later as witnesses reported a man carrying a gun. Ramos then shot at members of the public, roamed the school premises, and entered freely through an unlocked door at 11:40.

Police arrived on site four minutes later, Mr Escalon said. But it is unclear how close they got to the gunman or whether they attempted to enter the classroom where the shooting took place.

Police initially said the officers were "inside making entry" and took cover after coming under heavy fire. This was revised on Thursday by Mr Escalon. "They [didn't] make entry immediately because of the gunfire they were receiving," he said.

At 12:45, the gunman was shot dead by a team led by an elite Border Patrol tactical unit. Mr Escalon played down previous statements by police that there had been ongoing exchanges of gunfire during the previous hour. "The majority of the gunfire was in the beginning," he told reporters.

Witnesses have said police were hesitant to confront the killer, and videos from the scene show officers gathered outside while being urged by desperate family members to storm the building immediately.

One mother told the Wall Street Journal that she was briefly handcuffed and accused of impeding a police investigation, after demanding - along with other parents - that officers enter the school. Angeli Rose Gomez said she saw one father thrown to the ground by an officer, another pepper-sprayed and a third who was later tasered.

"The police were doing nothing," said Ms Gomez, who was eventually released. She said she eventually jumped over the school fence and ran inside to rescue her two children. "They [the police] were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere."

"They say they rushed in," Javier Cazares, whose daughter Jacklyn was killed in the attack, told the Associated Press. "We didn't see that."

"A lot of us were arguing with the police, 'You all need to go in there. You all need to do your jobs'. Their response was, 'We can't do our jobs because you guys are interfering.'"

So what was their job that was being interfered upon??

The apparent delay in entering the building deviates from guidance that became standard police practice after the 1999 Columbine High School massacre, which states that the first officers on the scene should do whatever they can to stop an attack without waiting for backup.

Mr Escalon refused to answer several questions about why the gunman had not been killed sooner. He said he had "taken all those questions into consideration" and would give an update later.

Investigators have found no indication the gunman had a history of mental illness or a criminal record. He legally purchased two AR-style rifles in the week before the attack, the day his 18th birthday.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Police in Texas have revised key details about Tuesday's deadly school shooting as criticism mounts from parents over the initial response.

The gunman roamed outside the Uvalde school for 12 minutes before entering unchallenged, police said on Thursday.

That contradicted earlier statements that said the attacker was confronted and shot at by an on-site officer.
They're still working on getting their story straight.

Give 'em time. Ain't like they went to college or anything.

They'll eventually come up with some narrative to make themselves the heroes, and make excuses for why they didn't go in. There might even be a factual basis for some of it. At least they'll quit making easily-disproven claims.

This will, of course, be accompanied by a call for more cops, more equipment, more leniency from the law for their misdeeds, more guns, and above all, more money.
 

pgs

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Define crazy, and who is 'crazy' - is it anyone off their meds, anyone who takes their meds, if they need meds? Is depression, anxiety also 'crazy'? Or is it just BPD or Schizophrenia or Bi-Polarism? BTW, money for 'crazy' is a nono for Republicans.

Better screening for gun permits is a nono for Republicans.

FBI release assessments - or red flag stuff - is a nono for Republicans.
Do you think only Republicans are gun owners ?
 
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IdRatherBeSkiing

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Define crazy, and who is 'crazy' - is it anyone off their meds, anyone who takes their meds, if they need meds? Is depression, anxiety also 'crazy'? Or is it just BPD or Schizophrenia or Bi-Polarism? BTW, money for 'crazy' is a nono for Republicans.

Better screening for gun permits is a nono for Republicans.

FBI release assessments - or red flag stuff - is a nono for Republicans.
If you require meds, then no gun for you is how it should be. Too many cases of a crazy person killing someone after they thought they were better and stopped taking their meds.
 
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