Amnesty Int'l Director Responds to President Bush--in Letter

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Amnesty Int'l Director Responds to President Bush--in Letter to Editor

By E&P Staff

Published: June 04, 2005 11:00 AM ET

NEW YORK In a letter to the editor published Saturday in The New York Times, William F. Schulz, executive director of Amnesty International, responded to President Bush's widely-published charge that the group's charges of wide human rights abuses in the war on terror were "absurd." Schulz called the charge "ironic."

If Amnesty's reports are so "absurd," Schulz asked, "why did the administration repeatedly cite our findings about Saddam Hussein before the Iraq war? Why does it welcome our criticisms of Cuba, China and North Korea? And why does it cite our research in its own annual human rights reports?

"No amount of spin can erase the myriad human rights abuses committed by United States officials in the 'war on terror.' The United States cannot simultaneously claim that it 'promotes freedom around the world' while detaining tens of thousands at Guantánamo Bay, Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan and in Iraq and other locations without charge or trial and allowing those civilian and military officials responsible for orchestrating a systematic policy of torture to escape accountability.

"Instead of attacking us, President Bush should insist upon a truly thorough, independent investigation of those who tried to circumvent global prohibitions on torture, and he should open all detention centers to scrutiny by independent human rights groups. Only then will the world be able to judge whether it is Amnesty International or the president whose perspective deserves to be called 'absurd.'"

The letter was written before the Pentagon acknowledged abuse of the Koran at Guantanomo on Friday night.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000946565
 

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Was wondering how this would be handled in the US. The claims made by A.I . cannot be dismissed or ignored as the current USG is prone to do
 

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Ocean Breeze said:
Was wondering how this would be handled in the US. The claims made by A.I . cannot be dismissed or ignored as the current USG is prone to do

They will keep doing so. They have been denying bigger things than what the AI reports states. Hopefully The great American people will rise and say enough is enough.
 

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9063.htm


above has more on the topic.


mog: not sure how much the Americans can do about it now. If they protest or question the USG , they are chastised for being "unpatriotic". There is a whole new language in the US now. ......and it follows the limited thinking idea of "with us or against us". The degree of branding that takes place now, is beyond belief. They seem to pigeon hole everyone. The US media is no longer an information source........it is just a propaganda source.

The entire dynamic has changed.
 

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Well thay have to change their view about their corrupt government. They have to see what is going on around them. All the countries are not wrong being against them. I fthey decide to stay put, so be it. They are paying a big price for being "PATRIOTIC".
 

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moghrabi said:
Well thay have to change their view about their corrupt government. They have to see what is going on around them. All the countries are not wrong being against them. I fthey decide to stay put, so be it. They are paying a big price for being "PATRIOTIC".


* absolutely agree. Just left (after a year) a US based Iraq war board......and so many simply DO NOT SEE, or refuse to see it. They don't even feel that they contributed to the rage that resulted in 9-11. Seems it is everyone elses fault , while they refuse to examine how they might have contributed to the situation. One would almost think they were "programmed" or brainwashed. Interesting mindset.

How can so many nations (the world ) be wrong and the US "right"??

something almost delusional/ psychotic in this mentality.
 

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We can see the same mentality here with proponents of the extreme right-wing CPC...things could be frighteningly similar here if we were to follow their lead in their frenzied attempt to emulate the Republican party in general and specifically Bush's neoconservative cabinet.
 

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Vanni Fucci said:
We can see the same mentality here with proponents of the extreme right-wing CPC...things could be frighteningly similar here if we were to follow their lead in their frenzied attempt to emulate the Republican party in general and specifically Bush's neoconservative cabinet.


agree. the tone is there , as is that narrow minded mindlock.

and it would be frightening. :pale: I see that Harper is trying to tone things down a bit. Hope so. The last thing CA needs is to emulate something like the neo fascist :twisted: or is it neocontheocratic? regime in the US that still calls itself "republican"
 

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RE: Amnesty Int'l Directo

A lot of the things we see and read in the media isnt readily available to the average american, in many cases US new television, ignore important events when it hinders the line of the current Bush administration. Often ignoring or having a small snippets near the end of the show make it increasingly difficult for americans to see that they are slowly becoming the very terrorists that they are supposed to be hunting.
 

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Didn't Shultz refer to Gitmo as a gulag? Also, did he support the war in Iraq? I remember him saying that there are just wars and that Hussein was a monster, but I don't recall if he supported the war or not. My impression was that he did but I may be wrong.
 

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You are right that Shultz said that Hussien is a monster but he did not support the war.
 

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nitzomoe said:
A lot of the things we see and read in the media isnt readily available to the average american, in many cases US new television, ignore important events when it hinders the line of the current Bush administration. Often ignoring or having a small snippets near the end of the show make it increasingly difficult for americans to see that they are slowly becoming the very terrorists that they are supposed to be hunting.

Can you give us an example of what it is you see and we don't?
 

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Ocean Breeze said:
Was wondering how this would be handled in the US. The claims made by A.I . cannot be dismissed or ignored as the current USG is prone to do

US Navy attorneys are sueing GWB, Donald Rumsfeld and the US government for actions in Guantanamo.
 

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I think not said:
US Navy attorneys are sueing GWB, Donald Rumsfeld and the US government for actions in Guantanamo.

Do you think they will win???????
 

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moghrabi said:
I think not said:
US Navy attorneys are sueing GWB, Donald Rumsfeld and the US government for actions in Guantanamo.

Do you think they will win???????

I have no clue, but I think the act should tell something to some of you. Then again, probably not.
 

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I'll go with the problay not part. He will get away with all the murders he commited unless, you as american people, sue his ass all the way to texas and back.
 

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/05/amnesty.detainee/

more about the US "secret prisons" has started to surface. (although not in the US ...so much due to the controlled media factor)


These are highly "secured " places.....and one apparently risks being killed going anywhere near them. (many Iraqis have been quietly "escorted " to various prisons in various countries .

Seems "secrecy" under the guise of security has taken a strong hold in the US and US contacts.

******

sadly , unless the bush team is arrested in an outside nation , he might not have to account for any of his criminal acts. Seems too, that he fits the testosterone ...in your face.....type of mindlock that has taken the US population by a choke hold.

trying to imagine another THREE And a half YEARS of this. And if rumors are right........he might be "succeeded" by his brother Jeb.

not exactly a reassuring thought, is it??