Worried about the annual welfare cheque that Alberta pays for government services in Eastern provinces.
Alberta GTFO?
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There is some truth i that. However, when everyone is working their asses off, and just scraping by, there isn't a lot of happiness either. Or the time to do family things.
How is it not money motivated?
Any time that Separation from the West comes up, there are two major talking points that come with it - Ottawa and the rest of Canada hates us and treats us bad.
Ottawa and the rest of Canada takes OUR money.
So at least in part it sure seems money motivated.
That we're all Canadian.
That's likely true.
Does not negate the fact they are still lands that belong to Indigenous peoples as unseeded land. Do you think that if Alberta and Sask "separates" that any treaty they make with Indigenous peoples will be better? They certainly don't think so.
The most likely outcome in a negotiated separation would be that the new country would take over ownerships of those treaties and honour "The Crown" particularly if the new country remains part of the Commonweath with the same head of state. I have not seen the wording but my guess is the treaty is not with Canada but with the Canadian Head of State which is the King or Queen.
Yeah and he's right. Or do you not agree that there's a bad habit of the rest of Canada to think of the West as a place of racism, sexism and "Good ol' boy, redneck stupidity"?
And the point is to look past all that and try to see what the real issues are.
He brings up Marxism as a definition of Alienation... that's not a LOT about Marxism. Less than 2 minutes out of a 28 minute plus video is NOT a lot.
Besides your comment - is he wrong about this definition of Alienation and how it connects to things out West?
What, is that not true?
That was asked as a question from people in his twitch chat/youtube chat, not something he asked himself. His answer - that Alberta didn't nationalize their oil, they didn't create sovereign wealth funds and that the resource industry "stripped them for parts" - is legitimate in some ways. I mean sure, there was a 'significant draw off of it for Canada', but there WAS a fund set up in 1976/77 that was SUPPOSED to put in money FOR Alberta to use for the future (similar to what Norway does in part).
Yet now? It's a mess and only 4% of where it should be.
Where's the Plan, Danielle? Albertans Still Await Plan to Grow Heritage Fund With Oil & Gas Revenues - Canadian Energy News, Top Headlines, Commentaries, Features & Events - EnergyNow
In February 2024, the Smith government promised to share a plan to grow the Heritage Fund—Alberta’s long-term resource revenue savings fund—with the public before the end of 2024. But 2025 is upon us, and Albertans are still waiting. The Lougheed government originally created the Heritage Fund...
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There is no reason why Alberta should NOT have such a fund, and more money in it, to use for its own spending/to augment what they budget. There's no reason that there shouldn't be enough cash coming in for Alberta to have the best of everything.
Yet they don't. Why is that?
You're not one to talk about someone being their own eco, Ron.
Because that's what on the webpage, Ron. That's where their social curriculum is FROM, which he pointed out was a problem.
That's on YOUR Government, not him.
Likely you're being sarcastic on this but - it's more than a 'couple sentence long letter'.
That's not what it said.
That part was branching off into Separation as a whole in the area, not specifically the hostility. That said, the way the multiple letters come across does prove even internally to the region, there is not a good "feeling" about the idea of separation.
There was a lot more than 90 seconds and if you feel "Dumber" then... I don't know what to tell you, Ron.
No comment. I am trying to keep it civil after all.
Again, trying to keep it civil but there is no 'mother's basement'...
It's an educational tool, yes, and used not only for "children under 10".
Don't know the guy on the left. As for the toque, it's not worn all the time and it's likely a hold over from some stuff he used to do as a buy in for the Canadian cliche, I don't know. If you're going to complain about him wearing a toque, then... again, don't know what to tell you, Ron.
Have you not been paying attention? There was even a rally this weekend; sure not many showed up but that's not the point. The point is, the sentiments are there and 'louder' than before.
Sure, okay.
True enough...
Question - if he does something for All of Canada, and "The West" (Alberta and Sask) don't like it (because he's a "Trudeau Lib" or whatever excuse), what then?
Well... can't say I didn't try and sometimes, experiments do fail I guess.
Yeah, for a while, Ron.
I believe it is with Canada and the Crown but I could be wrong.
I'm not sure the Indigenous people believe that if there is negotiation, that they would get a fair deal with any new 'country', if that's the route they'd go. If they choose to 'separate' and 'join the US', I certainly don't see the Indigenous being okay or even considering anything with that option, when you take in to account of how the Indigenous are treated in the US.
It's not money motivated. It's about control. Money comes with control.
Canadian? That's it? We don't have the same lifestyles or cultures. Neither of us have the same lifestyles and culture of S Ontario or Quebec. BC is unique but shares the culture of AB SK and MB where a huge portion of BC residents originated.
That's not a fact Numbered Treaties involved ceding and surrender of land to the Crown. The Feds are failing them miserably. Housing, education and health are all substandard. Some bands are stinking rich with the cash and power to build pipelines themselves and others are ignored by the Feds living in 3rd world conditions. You do realize Western FNs are Conservatives and are part of the push?
Contrary to Commie Steve it's the massive mining companies and oil companies that pump tonnes of money directly into First Nations.
FNs are fully capable of creating and funding their own investment and Equity companies but some can't because they have no resources or infrastructure. That needs to change.
In a significant move towards Indigenous economic sovereignty, a consortium of 72 Indigenous communities in Western Canada is set to acquire a 5.34% stake in TC Energy's Nova Gas transmission system and Foothills pipeline assets, spanning 25,000 kilometers. This $1 billion deal, backed by the Alberta Indigenous Opportunities Corporation (AIOC), marks a large-scale Indigenous equity ownership agreement in Canada.
They can help each other too.
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Albertans rally for separation, saying things won’t change under Confederation
Author of the article:Canadian Press
Canadian Press
Rob Drinkwater
Published May 03, 2025 • 2 minute read
There was some conflict between indigenous groups and separation supporters but they ended amicably. A rally and counterprotest for the Alberta separatist movement drew hundreds of people to the Alberta Legislature on Saturday, May 3, 2025.
There was some conflict between indigenous groups and separation supporters but they ended amicably. A rally and counterprotest for the Alberta separatist movement drew hundreds of people to the Alberta Legislature on Saturday, May 3, 2025.
EDMONTON — Katheryn Speck said she used to be a Canadian nationalist, travelled the world with a maple leaf on her backpack and once lived in Quebec so she could become fluently bilingual.
But on Saturday she was among hundreds of people who rallied at the Alberta legislature to support separation from Canada, with many in the crowd waving Alberta flags and a few even displaying the U.S. Stars and Stripes.
“I thought it was a beautiful, fantastic country. But now I’m so disappointed. I’m literally crushed that we’ll never be represented in this country and there’s never a chance of changing the government,” Speck said.
Earlier this week, Premier Danielle Smith’s government proposed legislation that would lower the bar for holding a referendum. While Smith told reporters she won’t presuppose what questions Albertans might bring to a ballot, the move would make it easier for citizens to call for a vote to secede from Canada.
The federal Liberals’ election win Monday has also prompted some people in the province to demand an exit.
Speck said the National Energy Policy of the 1980s eroded her Canadian pride. Now a decade of Liberal policies that she said have blocked pipelines and stymied the province’s energy industry have her thinking there’s no fix under Confederation.
“Once the votes are counted in Ontario, the election is over. We don’t matter. We never matter,” she said.
Hannah Henze, a 17-year-old who attended Saturday’s rally, said she might have felt differently about separation if the Conservatives had won.
“If (Pierre) Poilievre was in, I feel we’d have a lot more hope than a third or fourth Liberal term, which is just going to ruin our country,” Henze said.
Leo Jensen, meanwhile, said Canadians are worried about losing auto manufacturing jobs due to U.S. President Donald Trump’s tariffs, but they don’t seem concerned about protecting jobs in Alberta’s oil and gas sector.
“I don’t see how a province like Quebec takes all of our dirty money, but they won’t let a dirty pipeline go through Quebec to aid an oil refinery in New Brunswick,” Jensen said.
A few dozen counter-protesters attempted to drown out the rally, many holding signs saying that separation would violate treaties with First Nations.
Piikani Nation Chief Troy Knowlton said in a letter earlier this week that it’s understandable many in the West are frustrated their rejection of the federal Liberal party in the election didn’t play out elsewhere. But he said Alberta doesn’t have the authority to interfere with or negate treaties.
On her provincewide radio call-in show on Saturday, the premier said she fully respects treaty rights.
“Everything I do is changing Alberta’s relationship with Ottawa. First Nations have their own relationship with Ottawa and that’s enshrined in treaty. That does not change,” Smith said.
In March, Smith threatened a “national unity crisis” if the next prime minister doesn’t acquiesce to a list of her demands within six months, but reiterated this week that she supports a sovereign Alberta within a united Canada.
Rally attendee Susan Westernaier said she believed everything would be better if Alberta separated.
“We have the oil, we have the resources. We’re fine,” Westernaier said, noting she believed Monday’s election was rigged.
torontosun.com
Author of the article:Canadian Press
Canadian Press
Rob Drinkwater
Published May 03, 2025 • 2 minute read
There was some conflict between indigenous groups and separation supporters but they ended amicably. A rally and counterprotest for the Alberta separatist movement drew hundreds of people to the Alberta Legislature on Saturday, May 3, 2025.
There was some conflict between indigenous groups and separation supporters but they ended amicably. A rally and counterprotest for the Alberta separatist movement drew hundreds of people to the Alberta Legislature on Saturday, May 3, 2025.
EDMONTON — Katheryn Speck said she used to be a Canadian nationalist, travelled the world with a maple leaf on her backpack and once lived in Quebec so she could become fluently bilingual.
But on Saturday she was among hundreds of people who rallied at the Alberta legislature to support separation from Canada, with many in the crowd waving Alberta flags and a few even displaying the U.S. Stars and Stripes.
“I thought it was a beautiful, fantastic country. But now I’m so disappointed. I’m literally crushed that we’ll never be represented in this country and there’s never a chance of changing the government,” Speck said.
Earlier this week, Premier Danielle Smith’s government proposed legislation that would lower the bar for holding a referendum. While Smith told reporters she won’t presuppose what questions Albertans might bring to a ballot, the move would make it easier for citizens to call for a vote to secede from Canada.
The federal Liberals’ election win Monday has also prompted some people in the province to demand an exit.
Speck said the National Energy Policy of the 1980s eroded her Canadian pride. Now a decade of Liberal policies that she said have blocked pipelines and stymied the province’s energy industry have her thinking there’s no fix under Confederation.
“Once the votes are counted in Ontario, the election is over. We don’t matter. We never matter,” she said.
Hannah Henze, a 17-year-old who attended Saturday’s rally, said she might have felt differently about separation if the Conservatives had won.
“If (Pierre) Poilievre was in, I feel we’d have a lot more hope than a third or fourth Liberal term, which is just going to ruin our country,” Henze said.
Leo Jensen, meanwhile, said Canadians are worried about losing auto manufacturing jobs due to U.S. President Donald Trump’s tariffs, but they don’t seem concerned about protecting jobs in Alberta’s oil and gas sector.
“I don’t see how a province like Quebec takes all of our dirty money, but they won’t let a dirty pipeline go through Quebec to aid an oil refinery in New Brunswick,” Jensen said.
A few dozen counter-protesters attempted to drown out the rally, many holding signs saying that separation would violate treaties with First Nations.
Piikani Nation Chief Troy Knowlton said in a letter earlier this week that it’s understandable many in the West are frustrated their rejection of the federal Liberal party in the election didn’t play out elsewhere. But he said Alberta doesn’t have the authority to interfere with or negate treaties.
On her provincewide radio call-in show on Saturday, the premier said she fully respects treaty rights.
“Everything I do is changing Alberta’s relationship with Ottawa. First Nations have their own relationship with Ottawa and that’s enshrined in treaty. That does not change,” Smith said.
In March, Smith threatened a “national unity crisis” if the next prime minister doesn’t acquiesce to a list of her demands within six months, but reiterated this week that she supports a sovereign Alberta within a united Canada.
Rally attendee Susan Westernaier said she believed everything would be better if Alberta separated.
“We have the oil, we have the resources. We’re fine,” Westernaier said, noting she believed Monday’s election was rigged.
Albertans rally for separation, saying things won’t change under Confederation
Hundreds of people who rallied at the Alberta legislature to support separation from Canada.
Doesn’t this sound like the cringey fringe? Both for and against, while the rest are living their lives and out earning their keep?
Vs the first sentence in post#1 here?
Let’s say the hundreds of protesters above is…in the middle of the hundreds qualifier, so 5 hundreds…is that a fair assumption?
500/4,800,000+=0.000104 or 0.0104%. That doesn’t come across as mainstream.
I did make it through that video yesterday, on a Sunday, & admittedly it took me about four or five hours because of life and work and other obligations, I managed to get through it in the little squirts of 3-4 minutes at a time. It’s what time allowed.
I didn’t know who “Steve Boots” was, because When I would see a video posted here by him, I click in and see that they’re 1/2 hour long, do a deep ugh, and then usually bypass ‘cuz my time is metered out. I have time for shorter vids while doing other things simultaneously.
I would sneak in three or four minutes when I could, and I kept waiting for a punch line, which never happened for me with that video. Good for you that you found something significant it. I just didn’t.
Our oldest child is about the same age as Steve Boots, so I have a completely different set of experiences and memories having grown up in the same city as him, and perhaps some of the reason I didn’t know who he was.
I lived through the NEP years, & I was one of the young Sask economic migrants to Alberta, & an oilfield worker, and came back to Sask to raise our oldest, etc…Mr Boots faired better in the NDP years, & I did better in the Conservative years. Different people with different paths.
Steve seems to be blaming “Western Alienation” on the local media & Corporations, and not seeming to realize or acknowledge the fact that we all have Access to all media all the time…& leaves government out of it. Interesting in its disconnect.
If it's about oil and prairie mining giants, why is BC at 28% approval (up 8% post election) for separation? Possibly what I mentioned prior, BCs population didn't originate in BC? Yes and no. It's too big of a number to be Canadian born BC residents.
1/3 without any promotion or listing benefits for someone to consider is very very worrying for Ottawa.
There are essentially two populations in BC. The lower mainland, and the rest of the province. Much of the province is quite willing to join Alberta is separating, or at least consider the option if things don't improve. Rules are made in Vote rich, and left leaning Lower Mainland that have zero impact on their lives, but have very real negative effect on resource industry dependent rural areas.
In many respects, BC is a micro version of Canada.
I think you missed part of my point. Example is when you are renting a piece of property and the building owner sells the building, you get new landlords. You don't renegotiate your lease. I am saying that "The Crown" position and obligations could be handed over to the new country and they would honour them (as much as Canada has honoured them but that is another conversation).
I will add caveat that I am not a lawyer. I did not even play one on TV. And I also did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night. So I might be oversimplifying but it seems reasonable to me should it ever come to pass.
Your example is correct but irrelevant. Were Alberta and/or Saskatchewan to become a separate country, the newly-minted Westernesse would not be bound by treaties, deals, etc. that Canada made.
Even if the newly minted Westernesse was still tied to the monarchy in whatever form? I’m not advocating for separation (& at this point I think it’s a fringe movement by the frustrated) but curious. Part of the commonwealth or what have you, etc…?
My off topic response here was with respect to Trump advancing non-right leaning governments globally.