Air India allowed to happen?

[Karlin]

CSE had got the info that Air India bombing was going to happen, they passed it along to Foreign Affairs, and Bartleman took it to the RCMP who told him to piss off.

The weekend date the bombing was planned for was known, as was the location where it would get on a plane [Vancouver]. CSIS agents followed the bombers to the test plot and heard the explosion. There were only two flights that weekend on Air India out of Vancouver, so it would have been easy to stop the flight from proceeding. The luggage-without-a-passsenger could have been easily spotted. Bomb sniffing dogs could have found the luggage and the day would have been saved, the bombers arrested.

But it was not stopped. They knew it was going to happen - times flights and perpetraters - and they let it.

WHY?
- Was there a threat to blow up the vancouver airport if the flight did not proceed? Was the Parliament buildings threatnened? The PM? Were 'people who knew' paid off or otherwise rewarded or threatened? [only about 12 people knew about it].

CSE is the Canadian Securities Establishment, funded from within the Canadian army budget. This is not CSIS. I know people who worked there at CSE, one who was the Chief for 15 years. It is very secretive.

The media is playing along in keeping the CSE'sname out of interviews and reports. Bartleman named CSE in his first interview, but has since used "CSIS" instead, so obviously there is an effort to make people forget about CSE, or that Bartleman ever mentioned them.

 

[Karlin]

more blockbusting testimony today - a bomb sniffing dog was not allowed to search the plane!!

The dog and handler were called to the airport, but meanwhile the airport security let the plane take off [it went down during that flight]. That looks, to me, like they just wanted it to look like they had tried, but failed, to sniff out bombs.

There was also more about warnings about Air india flights, including one from the Indian govt. that "it looks like it willhappen this weekend" - there were only TWO Air India flights that weekend, so they could have both been sniffed by a bomb sniffing dog and all those lives saved.

C'mon!!! - it is OBVIOUS that Air India Flt 182 was allowed to be bombed. I wonder what the bombers held over the Canadian govt. Also, all federal government - Cons and Lib - since then have refused to look at the truth - they had most of this info. Maybe the reason it was "allowed to happen" is something so juicy that even governments all these years later are not willing to open up the truth.

 

[gc]

Maybe it was an inside job

Seriously though, why would they let it happen?

My best guess is that they receive tons of "threats" and don't investigate very many of them...

 

[Liberalman]

Coulda Woulda Shoulda

In hindsight is always the big question.

It was a lack of communication between departments.

We have to remember that in the security agency there is many threats that come in on a daily bases and it has to be prioritized to which ones are feasible.

In Air India’s case they verified the threat too late.

And like the world nobody acts on anything unless they have too.

A good example of this is in the airline companies where for years before 9/11 they were all told that they should install high security reinforced doors separating the cockpit and the rest of the plane.

Deadlines were set and due to legal wrangling that deadline was always extended.

After 9/11 happened If the doors were not installed the planes could not fly in American air space

I sometimes feel that the media was indirectly responsible for the WTC tragedy.

I say this because of the coverage of the high security door was in news magazines and TV shows like 60 Minutes type of shows.

Any time a news program does this type of shows they always show diagrams and scenarios of how terrorists can bring a plane down.

The reporters are showing that terrorists are sophisticated people that create different plans of destruction where in reality they are misguided individuals that are simplistic in nature.

So you have all these terrorist cells in America reading newspapers and watching television getting some good ideas from people that feel that because of the freedom of the press they can tell the whole story which puts people at death’s door.

Getting back the Air India people learned a big lesson and there has not been another plane starting from Canada that has crashed due to terrorism.