Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?

French Patriot

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Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?

Be you a believer or not, your life has been affected by the mainstream religions and the myth of Adam and Eve. It is the source of Christian homophobia and misogyny.

There are many strange things in the myth of Adam and Eve.

Was Adam born alone or first?

If Adam was created in God’s image and likeness, who is woman modeled after?

Satan is depicted in part as a woman.

Who was she modeled on and why female? Likely because of evolution and women being men’s biological prize.

In law, to be punished, one must be shown to have evil intent or an evil mind. Latin, Men’s Rea.

This is what human justice is based on.

Was Eve innocent, given that she had no evil intent?

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DL
 
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Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?

Be you a believer or not, your life has been affected by the mainstream religions and the myth of Adam and Eve. It is the source of Christian homophobia and misogyny.

There are many strange things in the myth of Adam and Eve.

Was Adam born alone or first?

If Adam was created in God’s image and likeness, who is woman modeled after?

Satan is depicted in part as a woman.

Who was she modeled on and why female? Likely because of evolution and women being men’s biological prize.

In law, to be punished, one must be shown to have evil intent or an evil mind. Latin, Men’s Rea.

This is what human justice is based on.

Was Eve innocent, given that she had no evil intent?

Regards
DL
Since the whole gawd thing is a myth it really doesn't matter.
 

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Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?
She wasn't innocent, but it's just a story, not to be taken literally, nothing like that ever happened. In the story though, both the first and second sin are Eve's: allowing herself to be duped into eating the forbidden fruit, then tricking Adam into eating it. Presumably the original author had some didactic or political purpose in writing such a tale, and considering its consequences it's tempting to think its purpose was to justify the devaluation and denigration of women by a bunch of frightened and ignorant men. And it worked.
 

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She wasn't innocent, but it's just a story, not to be taken literally, nothing like that ever happened. In the story though, both the first and second sin are Eve's: allowing herself to be duped into eating the forbidden fruit, then tricking Adam into eating it. Presumably the original author had some didactic or political purpose in writing such a tale, and considering its consequences it's tempting to think its purpose was to justify the devaluation and denigration of women by a bunch of frightened and ignorant men. And it worked.
Mostly true.

To your first notion. on Eve being duped.

If your child is fooled by another, is that not punishment enough. If sa little old lady gives all she has to a church, getting really duped, should we have a law to fine her severely?

That aside, she is protected by nen's rea and not having any evil intent. Right?

To Adam. How did she trick Adam?

Scriptures say she held it out to him and he ate without saying a word.

I also submit that he would have been stupid not to eat of it, because it represent education and learning.

The message is that immortality is not worthy if one is not educated and too stupid to even know they are naked.

It is just a coming of age yarn. Original Virtue is what the Jews see instead of Original sin. Christians got it wrong.

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DL
 

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Considering atheist regimes were responsible for the deaths of millions in the 20th Century, we should cancel atheism.
What a strange remark, given that we are just ending a 5,000 years of history, --- mostly populated by believers, --- given that they were murdering atheists in most of those years, inquisitions and jihads.

You sure don't know your history.

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So....gays are women?
Sounds to me like someone here just hates men
Learn how to read, as that was not implied.

Are you familiar with the term lesbian?

I do hate homophobes and other poor mentally deranged bastards who put sex above love. I hate them because love should be above sex in all loving people.

Homophobes are maladjusted as compared to those who put love above sex, the way gays and lesbians and more normal people do.

I hate haters without just causes. Mine is a just cause.

Regards
DL
 

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Learn how to read, as that was not implied.

Are you familiar with the term lesbian?

I do hate homophobes and other poor mentally deranged bastards who put sex above love. I hate them because love should be above sex in all loving people.

Homophobes are maladjusted as compared to those who put love above sex, the way gays and lesbians and more normal people do.

I hate haters without just causes. Mine is a just cause.

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DL
Most homophobes are that way because of their culture/religion. So you should not hate the person, but the culture that made them that way.
 
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Most homophobes are that way because of their culture/religion. So you should not hate the person, but the culture that made them that way.

Homophobia and misogyny are likely genetic, but reason can work with the afflicted.

Cultures are people.

The homophobes and misogynous become the culture.

I hate people. Not concepts or cultures.

I cannot change concepts or cultures directly, but can have an effect on people.

I will not waste my hate on what cannot feel it.

Hate is created by love, and love's efforts should not be wasted.

That is scripture.

Regards
DL
 

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Mostly true.

To your first notion. on Eve being duped.

If your child is fooled by another, is that not punishment enough. If sa little old lady gives all she has to a church, getting really duped, should we have a law to fine her severely?

That aside, she is protected by nen's rea and not having any evil intent. Right?
Eve knew about the tree, knew she was forbidden to eat its fruit, but let the serpent talk her into eating it anyway, and she knew she was wrong to do so, she later admits to Yahweh that the serpent beguiled her. I don't see how you can invoke mens rea in her defense, first because she knew perfectly well she was wrong, and second because mens rea is a human invention rooted in the common law, which didn't exist at the time. In any event, it made no difference to Yahweh, he expelled them both. The OT records Yahweh as destroying a lot of people who as far as we can tell had no evil intent, so it can't reasonably be invoked to protect Eve from him, he's set himself up as being above merely human laws.
To Adam. How did she trick Adam?

Scriptures say she held it out to him and he ate without saying a word.
Just by giving it to him. If he didn't know what it was, that's a dirty trick, because Eve knew exactly what she was giving him. It's not clear in Genesis 3 whether he knew what it was or not, but even if he did know, if Eve hadn't eaten of it he might not have either. Either way, the story clearly makes the primary fault Eve's.
I also submit that he would have been stupid not to eat of it, because it represent education and learning.
Well yes, we agree on that much at least. That whole thing was just a setup by Yahweh. He could have put that magic tree outside the garden, or not created it at all, but instead he deliberately put temptation in their way and, if he has the characteristics usually ascribed to him, he knew exactly what would follow.
 

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Tell that to the gays and women who have suffered because of it.

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DL
The gays and women are doing just fine and dandy these days in the world. It is the straight white males that seems to be the ones that are being blamed for all of the world's troubles since time began. It was pretty much the straight white males that built up this gawd dam world and made it decent enough place to live in and all they get for it is a kick in the ass by those other two and those non-white people out there also. White straight males are under attack by those globalist bastards that hate our white straight male guts. Even if those global billionaires look white they seem to have a problem and an hatred for their own white skin.

It is not the ays and women that are suffering all that much anymore, It is the white straight males that are taken the shit kicking now. Everything you see coming out of Hollyweird is pretty much all anti-white, anti straight male propaganda and bullshit. Even commercials have gone more non-white these days. There appears to be more gays, women and non-whites in commercials than what we use to see just over a decade ago. The white straight conservative folk are just plain bad and racists terrorist extremists now. The world will miss white straight folk when they have been reduced to a minority status. The world will revert back to the jungle days when that happens and it ain't going to be pretty looking. All just my opinion of course. Works for me. :cool:
 

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Mostly true.

To your first notion. on Eve being duped.

If your child is fooled by another, is that not punishment enough. If sa little old lady gives all she has to a church, getting really duped, should we have a law to fine her severely?

That aside, she is protected by nen's rea and not having any evil intent. Right?

To Adam. How did she trick Adam?

Scriptures say she held it out to him and he ate without saying a word.

I also submit that he would have been stupid not to eat of it, because it represent education and learning.

The message is that immortality is not worthy if one is not educated and too stupid to even know they are naked.

It is just a coming of age yarn. Original Virtue is what the Jews see instead of Original sin. Christians got it wrong.

Regards
DL
So, why should we really give a shit as to what happened way back when in Adam and Eve's time? Who really gives a shit? The way things are going these days it would appear as though it is not all about Adam and Eve anymore but more about Adam and Steve these days. (n)
 

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Learn how to read, as that was not implied.

Are you familiar with the term lesbian?

I do hate homophobes and other poor mentally deranged bastards who put sex above love. I hate them because love should be above sex in all loving people.

Homophobes are maladjusted as compared to those who put love above sex, the way gays and lesbians and more normal people do.

I hate haters without just causes. Mine is a just cause.

Eve knew about the tree, knew she was forbidden to eat its fruit, but let the serpent talk her into eating it anyway, and she knew she was wrong to do so, she later admits to Yahweh that the serpent beguiled her. I don't see how you can invoke mens rea in her defense, first because she knew perfectly well she was wrong, and second because mens rea is a human invention rooted in the common law, which didn't exist at the time. In any event, it made no difference to Yahweh, he expelled them both. The OT records Yahweh as destroying a lot of people who as far as we can tell had no evil intent, so it can't reasonably be invoked to protect Eve from him, he's set himself up as being above merely human laws.

Just by giving it to him. If he didn't know what it was, that's a dirty trick, because Eve knew exactly what she was giving him. It's not clear in Genesis 3 whether he knew what it was or not, but even if he did know, if Eve hadn't eaten of it he might not have either. Either way, the story clearly makes the primary fault Eve's.

Well yes, we agree on that much at least. That whole thing was just a setup by Yahweh. He could have put that magic tree outside the garden, or not created it at all, but instead he deliberately put temptation in their way and, if he has the characteristics usually ascribed to him, he knew exactly what would follow.