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Serryah

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A new dress code at the Texas Agriculture Department commands that employees wear clothing “in a manner consistent with their biological gender.”

LOL - so they're going to force women to what... wear dresses? Skirts? All men wear suits and ties? Or polo shirts and khaki's? Just what is clothing "consistent with their biological gender" mean?

At Wellesley College last month, for instance, a nonbinding student referendum called for the admission of trans men to a school that traditionally has been a women’s college. The president of the college, Paula Johnson, pushed back.

So the students wanted trans... men... to go to a woman's college? Why? It's a woman's college.

So what, then, is a biological male, or female? What determines this supposedly simple truth? It’s about chromosomes, right?

Exactly the issue.

Well, not entirely. Because not every person with a Y chromosome is male, and not every person with a double X is female. The world is full of people with other combinations: XXY (or Klinefelter Syndrome), XXX (or Trisomy X), XXXY, and so on. There’s even something called Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, a condition that keeps the brains of people with a Y from absorbing the information in that chromosome. Most of these people develop as female, and may not even know about their condition until puberty — or even later.

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Serryah

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How can this be, if sex is only about a gene?

Some people respond by saying that sex is about something else, then — ovaries, or testicles (two structures that begin their existence in the womb as the same thing).

What do we do then, with the millions of women who’ve have hysterectomies? Have they become men? What about women who’ve had mastectomies? Or men with gynecomastia, or enlarged breasts?

Are these people not who they think they are?

It may be that what’s in your pants is less important than what’s between your ears.

Precisely. What's in your pants is no more important than what's at the end of your arm.

In the past decade, there has been some fascinating research on the brains of transgender people. What is most remarkable about this work is not that trans women’s brains have been found to resemble those of cisgender women, or that trans men’s brains resemble those of cis men. What the research has found is that the brains of trans people are unique: neither female nor male, exactly, but something distinct.

But what does that mean, a male brain, or a female brain, or even a transgender one? It’s a fraught topic, because brains are a collection of characteristics, rather than a binary classification of either/or. There are researchers who would tell you that brains are not more gendered than, say, kidneys or lungs. Gina Rippon, in her 2019 book “The Gendered Brain,” warns against bunk science that declares brains to be male or female — it’s “neurosexism,” a fancy way of justifying the belief that women’s brains are inferior to men’s.

Interesting point but then brings up what does determine gender. But I can see the 'neurosexism' thing; it'd be equal to the misogyny of anti-trans women bigots.


And yet scientists continue to study the brain in hopes of understanding whether a sense of the gendered self can, at least in part, be the result of neurology. A study described by author Francine Russo in Scientific American examined the brains of 39 prepubertal and 41 adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria. The experiment examined how these children responded to androstadienone, a pungent substance similar to pheromones, that is known to cause a different response in the brains of men and women. The study found that adolescent boys and girls who described themselves as trans responded like the peers of their perceived gender. (The results were less clear with prepubescent children.)

This kind of testing is important, said one of the researchers Russo quoted, “because sex differences in responding to odors cannot be influenced by training or environment.” A similar study was done in measuring the responses of trans boys and girls to echolike sounds produced in the inner ear. “Boys with gender dysphoria responded more like typical females, who have a stronger response to these sounds.”

What does it mean, to respond to the world in this way? For me, it has meant having a sense of myself as a woman, a sense that no matter how comfortable I was with the fact of being feminine, I was never at ease with not being female. When I was young, I tried to talk myself out of it, telling myself, in short, to “get over it.”

But I never got over it.

I compare it to a sense of homesickness for a place you’ve never been. The moment you stepped onto those supposedly unfamiliar shores, though, you’d have a sense of overwhelming gratitude, and solace, and joy. Home, you might think. I’m finally home.

(More to come. . .)

Interesting.

I wonder if the fact we ALL start out as 'female' in the womb (or maybe a more apt way is 'gender neutral'), and development is what triggers everything, if something doesn't switch on or off to cause these kinds of developments.

As for the author's last comments; I can definitely agree since I've had similar feelings myself (even though saying/using the word 'feelings' is not exactly the best way to describe it).
 

Serryah

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The years to come will, perhaps, continue to shed light on the mysteries of the brain, and to what degree our sense of ourselves as gendered beings has its origins there. But there’s a problem with using neurology as an argument for trans acceptance — it suggests that, on some level, there is something wrong with transgender people, that we are who we are as a result of a sickness or a biological hiccup.

I can see the point here, BUT - that's also like saying Autistic kids, or any other brain-centered circumstances of a person's "not normal" Existance, is bad.

It's not bad, or wrong, but it is a biological 'hiccup' that made a person the way they are. What the ISSUE is, is that society at large needs to get over itself and stop associating 'blame' or 'belittling' people who have these hiccups.

I mean, we eventually got past the left handed = the devil's tool state of mind, didn't we?

But trans people are not broken.

No, they're not.

And, in fact, trying to open people’s hearts by saying “Check out my brain!” can do more harm than good, because this line of argument delegitimizes the experiences of many trans folks. It suggests that there’s only one way to be trans — to feel trapped in the wrong body, to go through transition, and to wind up, when all is said and done, on the opposite-gender pole. It suggests that the quest trans people go on can only be considered successful if it ends with fitting into the very society that rejected us in the first place.

I suppose some trans people might view it that way if they want to look at it that way. I'd suggest that it's more trying to learn in general - as asked above - what makes someone a man or a woman, or whatever other variance they are.

I don't see how wanting to know if the Brain has a lot to do with someone being Trans delegitimizes the experiences of trans folks. It certainly doesn't mean there is only one way to be trans, rather, IMO at least, it suggests that this is WHY someone may be trans; and all other trans experiences come from it.

The "level" of a person's transness - from full transition including surgery, to only partial steps into being the proper gender, to maybe being non-binary, or gender fluid - won't change just because we've learned that gender is a brain issue.

All the science tells us, in the end, is that a biological male — or female — is not any one thing, but a collection of possibilities.

In that, I totally agree.

No one who embarks upon a life as a trans person in this country is doing so out of caprice, or a whim, or a delusion.

If only the anti-trans haters would get that.

We are living these wondrous and perilous lives for one reason only — because our hearts demand it. Given the tremendous courage it takes to come out, given the fact that even now trans people can still lose everything — family, friends, jobs, even our lives — what we need now is not new legislation to make things harder. What we need now is understanding, not cruelty. What we need now is not hatred, but love.

Sadly right now love is still "with conditions" to many.

When the person in that Chevy ad sings, Oh, I want to be free … to feel the way I feel. Man, I feel like a woman!, the important thing is not that they feel like a woman, or a man, or something else. What matters most is the plaintive desire, to be free to feel the way I feel.

Good point.

Surely this is not a desire unique to trans people. Tell me: Is there anyone who has never struggled to live up to the hard truths of their own heart?

Man! I feel like a human.

Sad truth is, the anti-trans types don't even consider trans people to be human...


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Thanks TB for posting this; it's an interesting read.
 

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I can see the point here, BUT - that's also like saying Autistic kids, or any other brain-centered circumstances of a person's "not normal" Existance, is bad.

It's not bad, or wrong, but it is a biological 'hiccup' that made a person the way they are. What the ISSUE is, is that society at large needs to get over itself and stop associating 'blame' or 'belittling' people who have these hiccups.

I mean, we eventually got past the left handed = the devil's tool state of mind, didn't we?



No, they're not.



I suppose some trans people might view it that way if they want to look at it that way. I'd suggest that it's more trying to learn in general - as asked above - what makes someone a man or a woman, or whatever other variance they are.

I don't see how wanting to know if the Brain has a lot to do with someone being Trans delegitimizes the experiences of trans folks. It certainly doesn't mean there is only one way to be trans, rather, IMO at least, it suggests that this is WHY someone may be trans; and all other trans experiences come from it.

The "level" of a person's transness - from full transition including surgery, to only partial steps into being the proper gender, to maybe being non-binary, or gender fluid - won't change just because we've learned that gender is a brain issue.



In that, I totally agree.



If only the anti-trans haters would get that.



Sadly right now love is still "with conditions" to many.



Good point.



Sad truth is, the anti-trans types don't even consider trans people to be human...


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Thanks TB for posting this; it's an interesting read.
I disagree, I think most people feel badly that individuals who think they're "trans" are being treated so horribly! No human being should be put through this horrible ideological view that women can be men & vice versa. There may be a "few" people who don't think of them as human but I believe the vast majority simply feel that these people are being treated extremely by stating it's a "medical issue" when it's actually a Mental Health Issue and no kids should be inundated with this falsehood. Our kids need to grow up healthy and by confusing them with this ridiculous ideology is not only bad for them, but for society as a whole.

As an adult, if you want to believe you're a "woman" in a man's body, go for it. Just leave our kids alone to determine who they are and if they need help/counselling etc., then provide it so that these kids can get a handle on where they're going in their life.
 

Ron in Regina

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So ? Who is he and why should anyone care ?
An Actor. José Pedro Balmaceda Pascal (Spanish pronunciation: [xoˈse ˈpeðɾo βalmaˈseða pasˈkal]; born 2 April 1975) is a Chilean-born American actor. After nearly two decades of taking small roles in film and television, Pascal rose to prominence for portraying Oberyn Martell during the fourth season of the HBOfantasy series Game of Thrones (2014) and Javier Peña in the Netflix crime series Narcos(2015–2017). Since 2019, he has starred as the title character in the Disney+ Star Wars series The Mandalorian and again in The Book of Boba Fett (2022). Since 2023, he has played Joel Miller in the HBO drama series The Last of Us. Time magazine named him one of the 100 most influential people in the world in 2023.
 

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An Actor. José Pedro Balmaceda Pascal (Spanish pronunciation: [xoˈse ˈpeðɾo βalmaˈseða pasˈkal]; born 2 April 1975) is a Chilean-born American actor. After nearly two decades of taking small roles in film and television, Pascal rose to prominence for portraying Oberyn Martell during the fourth season of the HBOfantasy series Game of Thrones (2014) and Javier Peña in the Netflix crime series Narcos(2015–2017). Since 2019, he has starred as the title character in the Disney+ Star Wars series The Mandalorian and again in The Book of Boba Fett (2022). Since 2023, he has played Joel Miller in the HBO drama series The Last of Us. Time magazine named him one of the 100 most influential people in the world in 2023.
Thank you if I cared I could have done that myself .
 

Ron in Regina

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Thank you if I cared I could have done that myself .
You’re welcome. Your question was actually two questions though:
1) Who is Pedro Pascal?
2) …& why should anyone care?
So ? Who is he and why should anyone care ?
I answered the first of your two questions, but I now believe your focus in your inquiry was upon the second of your two question then? Specifically with respect to this:
Am I correct in that assumption? If so, I specifically didn’t answer it because I didn’t post the above picture. That would be an answer to come from Serryah.

This Actor is well known. The fact that he has a Transitioning Sibling I am assuming was less well known (I didn’t know). Whether this sister is a man transitioning into a woman, or a woman transitioning into a man, or sister is a term from before the transitioning, or after the transitioning, I don’t know I don’t really care. Dude loves his sister and that’s good on him!

I answered the easy obvious question. Hers is the tougher answer to interpret what the above actor meant and it’s relevance to the topic at had. I’m sure she will when time & life permits.
 

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You’re welcome. Your question was actually two questions though:
1) Who is Pedro Pascal?
2) …& why should anyone care?

I answered the first of your two questions, but I now believe your focus in your inquiry was upon the second of your two question then? Specifically with respect to this:

Am I correct in that assumption? If so, I specifically didn’t answer it because I didn’t post the above picture. That would be an answer to come from Serryah.

This Actor is well known. The fact that he has a Transitioning Sibling I am assuming was less well known (I didn’t know). Whether this sister is a man transitioning into a woman, or a woman transitioning into a man, or sister is a term from before the transitioning, or after the transitioning, I don’t know I don’t really care. Dude loves his sister and that’s good on him!

I answered the easy obvious question. Hers is the tougher answer to interpret what the above actor meant and it’s relevance to the topic at had. I’m sure she will when time & life permits.

Ya, I've got Pgs on ignore, and I don't give a rats ass enough about them to even be vaguely interested in what BS they're spewing today.

But from what you posted Ron (even if in reply to the jackass) - Why should anyone care that he loves his sister?

Because not enough people who have trans siblings will say so openly, that they love them. Yet here's a guy with a following - considering his multiple roles lately in TV - stating publicly that he loves her and will defend her. And good for him for doing so.

So I brought it up, because more stuff like this needs to be seen.
 
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