Is there proof of life after death

[china]

Perhaps this post is related partialy to the title of this thread -..in its own way .I wonder if you have ever known what love is? Because I think death and love walk together. Death , love, and ,life are one and the same. But we have divided life, as we have divided the earth. We talk of love as being either carnal or spiritual and have set a battle going between the sacred and the profane. We have divided what love is from what love should be, so we never know what love is. Love, surely, is a total feeling that is not senti- mental and in which there is no sense of separation. It is complete purity of feeling without the separative, fragmenting quality of the intellect. Love has no sense of continuity. Where there is a sense of continuity, love is already dead, and it smells of yesterday, with all its ugly memories, quarrels, brutalities. To love, one must die .Think it out .

 

[quandary121]

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sorry talloola i just thought i would put some different religious views on the life after death, you are right of course way to long , maybe i should just edit them to just show the page reference, if people want to reference there stand point,they can look it up for themselves..;-)

 

[eanassir]

Perhaps this post is related partialy to the title of this thread -..in its own way .I wonder if you have ever known what love is? Because I think death and love walk together. Death , love, and ,life are one and the same. But we have divided life, as we have divided the earth. We talk of love as being either carnal or spiritual and have set a battle going between the sacred and the profane. We have divided what love is from what love should be, so we never know what love is. Love, surely, is a total feeling that is not senti- mental and in which there is no sense of separation. It is complete purity of feeling without the separative, fragmenting quality of the intellect. Love has no sense of continuity. Where there is a sense of continuity, love is already dead, and it smells of yesterday, with all its ugly memories, quarrels, brutalities. To love, one must die .Think it out .

I am glad that you know what love is.

Here are some points about this subject:

God loves His creation: He created us to show us His mercy; and out of His mercy He, in this World, shows mercy to both the believer and the disbeliever, He is Clement: He gives them respite and give them opportunities that they may turn to Him, and He forgives them all their sins (unless they associate others with Him) when they turn to Him and ask forgiveness.

God created them to include them in His mercy; but the disbeliever chooses the other way; He wants to be Kind to him, but the disbeliever rejects this kindness. God wants them to be happy, but the disbeliever chooses the wretchedness and misery.

He ordered them to love each other, according to His love; but He does not agree that they transgress on each other.

Our love for God should be more than any other love.
This is in the Quran 2 : 165​

وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يَتَّخِذُ مِن دُونِ اللّهِ أَندَاداً يُحِبُّونَهُمْ كَحُبِّ اللّهِ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ أَشَدُّ حُبًّا لِّلّهِ​

The explanation:
(Yet [some] of people choose [to worship], other than God, rivals [to God]; they love [these rivals] as God should be loved. – But those who believe love God more ardently…)

Moreover, out of our love to God, we should follow the one that guides us to God alone without associate; this one is His apostle: Prophet Mohammed who called and invited people to God alone without associate, as in the Quran 3: 31​

قُلْ إِن كُنتُمْ تُحِبُّونَ اللّهَ فَاتَّبِعُونِي يُحْبِبْكُمُ اللّهُ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ وَاللّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ​

The explanation:
(Say [O Mohammed, to those unbelievers who claim loving God:] "If you [indeed] were loving God, follow me [concerning the monotheism], then God will love you and forgive you your sins; for God is Most Forgiving [and] Most Merciful.")


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[eanassir]

Belief in Life after Death

Description: The importance of the belief in the Afterlife, as well as a glimpse of what awaits one in the grave, on the Day of Judgment, and at the Final End.
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http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/38/

islamic beliefs in life after death

Most Muslims (in addition to Jews, Christians and others) do not understand the Quran, and they are preoccupied with some description and details that are not mentioned in the Quran and the other heavenly books.​

Some of these misunderstandings are:​

The “trial” in the grave:
There is no such "trial" in the grave; the judgment will be on the Day of Judgment after Doomsday.
The Judgment and the Requital​

But when man dies, he will realize will he be happy and be saved or will he be miserable and misfortunate and will suffer. Angels will accompany the righteous monotheist to protect him from devils; and devils will be set on the disbeliever, atheist and associater to chastise him.​

All this will be in the world of souls following death, and this will be before Doomsday.​

The Resurrection
Bodies will not be resurrected; the purpose from creating the material body is to be as a mould inside which the soul will be formed.
The soul is the true man, that will be a true copy of his material body, and there will be no need for the body after death; the body will decay and become dust.
The body will not be restored​

The blowing in the "Horn":
"God will command a magnificent angel to blow the Horn!": ​

Angels have no trumpets to blow in; Muslims adopted this from Jews.​

The "Horn" mentioned in some ayat of the Quran is a volcano that will erupt in the sun prior to its explosion, when a thin crust will form on its surface.
The blowing through the Horn​

The horn is that some animals like the wild goat have on its head: its external shape is like the volcano rocks: after the volcano erupts, the lava will cool down and will have this shape like the horn of some animals, which will be used by some people as a horn to blow with.​

The "balances" will be set and the deeds of men will be weighed!
God did not bring down the "balance" with which we weigh the fruit and vegetables and others. And there will be no such weighing of the good work and the evil work, as do some think.
The standing [before God: the Judge] and the Judgment​

This is the judgment, and it will be according to the heavenly books that God revealed: according to what people applied or neglected of these laws. The judge will be their apostle:
Moses will judge people who were before the coming of Jesus.
Jesus will judge people who were before the coming of Mohammed.
Mohammed will judge people who were after these apostles.​

They will judge people according to their obedience or disobedience about these books and revelations. ​

The vision of their Lord:
Some of the Muslims think that they will see God obviously on Judgment Day when they will be admitted to Paradise.​

But this is wrong; God cannot be seen by people whether they be material or spiritual souls, neither can He be seen by angels.​

This is in the Quran 6: 103​

لاَّ تُدْرِكُهُ الأَبْصَارُ وَهُوَ يُدْرِكُ الأَبْصَارَ وَهُوَ اللَّطِيفُ الْخَبِيرُ​

The explanation: ("Sights perceive Him not"*, but "He does perceive sights"**, and He is the Compassionate, the Well-Aware.)​

Similar to this in the Gospel; Jesus said: ​

Mat. 6: 17-18 "But you, when you fast, anoint your head, and wash your face;
That you appear not to men to fast, but to your Lord Who is in secret [*"sights perceive Him not"]: and your Lord, Who sees in secret [**"He does perceive sights"], shall reward you openly." ​

N.B. your Lord Who is in secret = sights perceive Him not.
your Lord Who sees in secret = He does perceive sights.

If it was possible to see God, then Moses would have seen him, when he requested that together with seventy of his people who demanded that, but a thunderbolt seized them: the seventy were killed, and Moses fell unconscious.​

Eventhough God will greet the people of Paradise, by saying "Salam" to them and they will hear that greetings, and that will be the most precious reward. ​

eanassir
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[Dexter Sinister]

Not convincing. There is no proof of life after death. Lots of beliefs, wishful thoughts, arguments from the authority of assorted religious texts, and hopeful ideas, but no good evidence that can withstand skeptical scrutiny. There's no evidence anyone can provide that doesn't have much simpler explanations rooted in well understood aspects of human psychology.

 

[eanassir]

Not convincing. There is no proof of life after death. Lots of beliefs, wishful thoughts, arguments from the authority of assorted religious texts, and hopeful ideas, but no good evidence that can withstand skeptical scrutiny. There's no evidence anyone can provide that doesn't have much simpler explanations rooted in well understood aspects of human psychology.

Ask yourself, and don't pay attention to anyone else whatsoever, what do you think: every thing will stop by dying? And what do you think about yourself: does death mean the end of everything?
Are all these systems, orders and programs in the universe in vain?
Moreover, I think that everyone has some personal experience and observations that he pushes to the back of his brain and tries to forget about or neglect.
I think God will give to everyone some of such observations and experience so that man may not deny all that, and He may say to him: didn't you see and face so and so?
I have some personal observations, but this may not convince others.
And there have been many general observations for all people; these are among the signs of God that He manifests to people, like some people who returned from a temporary death and said many things.​

If anyone has some desire of exploring such a world of souls, see my reply on page 2
July 11th, 2008, 01:29 AM​

See also the story of the fainting of Abu abdAllah when he was a child, and how he described that world in details,
http://man-after-death.site.io/#Was_It_Death_or_Fainting_
and there are many similar events that happened to many people. ​

Moreover, will the criminal's consequence be like the righteous man's consequence? ​

 

[eanassir]

As a complement to my reply on page 2 July 11th, 2008, 01:29 AMI suggest that such test with an old camera, of a good type, and using a sensitive film, then to fix it in the usual old method of using the fixation solution, and that this should be produced in a dark room as in the old photography.

Moreover, it is better not to take such pictures in your house rooms, because this may lead to some discomfort for you and your family; but I suggest one may do this test or experiment in a hall or an office which will be empty of people at evening (or morning); this hall should be quiet, dark, and when you go inside, don't open a door: the door may have been already open and the windows are closed, and curtains are there to prevent any external light or air current or sounds, and don't produce any sound and don't move quickly, and don't stamp on the ground heavily; there should be no fan, and don't use the flash of the camera or any other source of light. The click of the camera should be faint.

E.g. a friend of mine; he is a veterinary doctor: an intelligent one, a wise man, of a quiet personality, and a good-hearted man; he listens to many of my words and we respect each other; he is over forty years of age. His father died, then his sister dreamed at night that she saw her father; she asked him: "How are you?" He said: "I am well, thanks to God." She said: "Where are you now?" He said: "I am at Kirkuk city, in the 'Date Palm hotel'!" [I don't remember exactly the name of that hotel; I think it was this name.]

So she awoke from sleep, told her family and brother about her dream; and they went to Kirkuk and searched about such a hotel; and they found a hotel there with this name.

This family is resident at Baghdad, but originally they came from Kirkuk city.

This veterinary doctor told me about that; I said to him: "Was that hotel crowded with people?"
He said (shying): "No, it is about empty, and it is of poor condition"
I said to him: "Certainly, the soul of your father prefer to go with his friends and relatives from his original hometown, and the souls prefer to go to the quiet places like this hotel with no crowd of people; they will have much comfort and will pass their time together."

Then I said to him: "Do you see this group of clinics where we work, and we go to our houses at evening, what will happen at night; it may be filled with souls; because it will be quiet and uninhabited, and may be very good for them to pass their time; and I don't want to frighten you; and I myself may be afraid of such thinking."

He said: "No, it is OK" (Although I know that he is afraid of that and he has the right.)

http://man-after-death.site.io/#The_Soul_after_Death_


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[china]

Just wondering ; why are you concerned about the hereafter? Because living here has lost its deep significance; there is no fulfilment in this world, no lasting love, but only conflict and sorrow. So you hope for a world, the hereafter, in which to live happily, fully. Because you have not had an opportunity of fulfillment here, you hope that in another life you can realize. Or you want to meet again those whom you have lost by death, which but indicates your own emptiness.

If I say there is life in the hereafter, and another says there is not, you will choose the one that gives you the greater satisfaction, and thus become a slave to authority. So the problem is not whether there is an hereafter, but to understand here the fullness of life which is eternal, to liberate action from creating limitation.
For the man who fulfils, who has not separated himself from the movement of reality, for him there is no death.

How can one live so that action is fulfilment? How can one be in love with life? To be in love with life, to fulfil, mind must be free, through deep understanding, from those limitations that thwart and frustrate it; you must become aware, conscious of all the impediments that dwell in the background of the mind. There is within each one the unconscious, which is continually hindering, perverting intelligence; that unconscious is making life incomplete. Through action, through living, through suffering, you must drag out all those things that are hidden, concealed. When the mind is not occupied, through fear, with the hereafter, but is fully conscious, aware of the present with its deep significance, then there is the movement of reality, of life which is not yours or mine.

 

[Scott Free]

Religion was once needed by people to deliver them from miserable drudgery that was life. Today in North America and Europe, people live better than Earls did. They live longer, eat better, have better cloths, warmer homes, have better entertainment etc... Peasants in England at one time would bury themselves when they heard invaders were coming to save the trouble for those that would soon murder them. In other words, life really really sucked, and not just for the poor but for everyone. Today even the poor in richer nations live better than kings and earls did. Back then all people had to live for was that they would be delivered from their daily horror and populate a realm called heaven one day. Things have changed, however, and now that myth isn't needed anymore. Daily life has become so much easier (thanks to technology and social change) that empty promises and childish fantasies aren't needed. We can live for today and toward a better future. We just need a gestalt shift away from thinking drudgery is part of life or most peoples or anyones. A shift away from economics that run on and exploit human misery. I think maybe our next civilization will make that leap if there are any of us left around.

 

[quandary121]

Just wondering ; why are you concerned about the hereafter? Because living here has lost its deep significance; there is no fulfilment in this world, no lasting love, but only conflict and sorrow. So you hope for a world, the hereafter, in which to live happily, fully. Because you have not had an opportunity of fulfillment here, you hope that in another life you can realize. Or you want to meet again those whom you have lost by death, which but indicates your own emptiness.

If I say there is life in the hereafter, and another says there is not, you will choose the one that gives you the greater satisfaction, and thus become a slave to authority. So the problem is not whether there is an hereafter, but to understand here the fullness of life which is eternal, to liberate action from creating limitation.
For the man who fulfils, who has not separated himself from the movement of reality, for him there is no death.



How can one live so that action is fulfilment? How can one be in love with life? To be in love with life, to fulfil, mind must be free, through deep understanding, from those limitations that thwart and frustrate it; you must become aware, conscious of all the impediments that dwell in the background of the mind. There is within each one the unconscious, which is continually hindering, perverting intelligence; that unconscious is making life incomplete. Through action, through living, through suffering, you must drag out all those things that are hidden, concealed. When the mind is not occupied, through fear, with the hereafter, but is fully conscious, aware of the present with its deep significance, then there is the movement of reality, of life which is not yours or mine.

Hi china if you want my reason for believing in a hereafter it is this ...

We are now living in the place known as hell....!!!! we are as far away from god then we can ever be..!!! all the pain suffering that we experience here is due to the fact that this world is controlled by lucifer...!!!
he was thrown down to earth and given dominion over it
when we die we are released from this hellish place and go to heaven ...!WHY i hear you ask would god wish us to begin life in hell ...i thought about this too and the reason Ive come up with is this if we began life in heaven would we appreciate it and its wonders knowing nothing else...?? i doubt it . so if we first spend a fraction of our existence in hell and are then released to return to heaven then because we have suffered the indignities of earthly life we could now appreciate how wonderful heaven is , this is only my opinion and i cant prove anything to by this but i would rather believe in heaven if the choice was given me heaven also is not how people presume it to be either it is heaven and what ever heaven is to you or any one else why should it not be as you wish it to be ...without all the earthly rules that we are told by our corrupted churches and religions...???
question what you have been taught by religion and why they are saying what they are most of the time it is to do with controlling populaces not actual faith ...:smile:

 

[eanassir]

why are you concerned about the hereafter?

>> Because living here has lost its deep significance; there is no fulfilment in this world, no lasting love, but only conflict and sorrow. So you hope for a world, the hereafter, in which to live happily, fully.
>> Because you have not had an opportunity of fulfillment here, you hope that in another life you can realize.
>> Or you want to meet again those whom you have lost by death, which but indicates your own emptiness.
>> If I say there is life in the hereafter, and another says there is not, you will choose the one that gives you the greater satisfaction, and thus become a slave to authority.

Hence, why should you or anyone disbelieve or disregard the Hereafter (or the afterlife or the next world of souls? ​

Man should believe in both the Worldly life and the afterlife: following this rule:​

"Work [with zeal] for your Worldly life, as if you live forever; and work [with zeal] for your afterlife as if you die tomorrow."​

Your righteous work in this World will lead you to a better outcome in your afterlife.​

God – be exalted – said in the Quran 16: 38-39​

وَأَقْسَمُواْ بِاللّهِ جَهْدَ أَيْمَانِهِمْ لاَ يَبْعَثُ اللّهُ مَن يَمُوتُ بَلَى وَعْدًا عَلَيْهِ حَقًّا وَلكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ ...الخ​

The explanation:
(They have sworn by God the most earnest oaths: "God will never send [to the Hereafter] him who dies." ​

>> No, it is a promise [binding] upon Him, but most men know not.
>> That He may manifest to them [the truth of] that [: sending their souls to the next world or the Hereafter]on which they do dispute,
>> and that those who unbelieve may realize that they were liars.)​

Moreover, He said in the Quran 23: 112 - 116 ​

أَفَحَسِبْتُمْ أَنَّمَا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ عَبَثًا وَأَنَّكُمْ إِلَيْنَا لَا تُرْجَعُونَ ...الخ​

The explanation:
(He [: the angel] will say: "For how long you [deniers of the Hereafter] have tarried in the earth, by number of years!"
They will say: "We have tarried merely a day or part of a day [: they were busy with hoarding money, so the years appeared to pass so quickly], but inquire of those who count [the days and years.]"
He will say: "You have not tarried but a little [in relation to the Hereafter; because the Hereafter is everlasting], if you had only known [the truth.]"​

"Did you think that We created you aimlessly, and that you would not return to Us!?"​

Then exalted be God, the King, the True One: there is no god but He, the Lord of the Precious Throne. [: His Throne is so beautiful and glitters with light])​

This is also in the Quran 68: 35​

أَفَنَجْعَلُ الْمُسْلِمِينَ كَالْمُجْرِمِينَ​

The explanation:
(Shall We then treat those who surrender [or submit themselves to Our commandment] like the guilty?)​

It means: in case they die and become dust, and there is not another world of souls, then the righteous will be like the guilty in outcome, and then the creation will be in vain and aimless and without purpose ; but this is not true and justice has to be fulfilled by giving the right to the oppressed and avenging him from the criminal. Moreover, God created people to live forever in their spiritual souls.


eanassir

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[eanassir]

For the man who fulfils, who has not separated himself from the movement of reality, for him there is no death.

Man's life does not stop by his death; he will continue to live but in his new spiritual soul, not in his material body.

To this meaning one of the poets said:
"Truly, people are created to live, not to perish;
it is only a transmission:
from the World home of trial to the next world home of prosperity or misery."
http://man-after-death.site.io/#What_Is_Death_​

How can one be in love with life?

God's love for righteous people is more than the mother's love for her child; in fact He inserted the love in the mother's heart, so that she will love her child and take care of him.

God Most Gracious, out of His mercy, he makes the mother and father love their children, and the children love their parents. And they will love their kindred.

Moreover He inserted in people the love for many things:​

• Men love women –– so that reproduction will continue,
• People love sons and children –– so that progeny and offspring will be preserved,
• People love the large amounts of gold and silver –– so that they will work to get money and livelihood, and the affairs in the society will go on.
• They love [to possess] the good horses (and cars),
• They love [to possess] the cattle –– so they will eat the meat of the sheep, goat, cow and camel,
• They love [to possess] the cultivation and crops –– so they will eat the bread, vegetables and fruits.

This is in the Quran 3: 14​

زُيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ حُبُّ الشَّهَوَاتِ مِنَ النِّسَاء وَالْبَنِينَ وَالْقَنَاطِيرِ الْمُقَنطَرَةِ مِنَ الذَّهَبِ وَالْفِضَّةِ وَالْخَيْلِ الْمُسَوَّمَةِ وَالأَنْعَامِ وَالْحَرْثِ ذَلِكَ مَتَاعُ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَاللّهُ عِندَهُ حُسْنُ الْمَآبِ​

The explanation:
(Beautified to men is the love of lusts –– women, children, large amounts of gold and silver, horses ornamented [with silver badges], cattle and tillage.
[All of] that is the [temporary] enjoyment of the Worldly life; but with God [in the Hereafter] is the best resort.


But prior to everything, God's love has to be the priority over all other things and beings; because man usually loves his father and mother, his sons, brothers, wife, tribe [, sect and party], his wealth that he earned, some trade he is earnest that it should not fail, and some houses and dwellings that his soul likes very much.

While God's love should be more than all this; as in the Quran 9: 24​

قُلْ إِن كَانَ آبَاؤُكُمْ وَأَبْنَآؤُكُمْ وَإِخْوَانُكُمْ وَأَزْوَاجُكُمْ وَعَشِيرَتُكُمْ وَأَمْوَالٌ اقْتَرَفْتُمُوهَا وَتِجَارَةٌ تَخْشَوْنَ كَسَادَهَا وَمَسَاكِنُ تَرْضَوْنَهَا أَحَبَّ إِلَيْكُم مِّنَ اللّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ وَجِهَادٍ فِي سَبِيلِهِ فَتَرَبَّصُواْ حَتَّى يَأْتِيَ اللّهُ بِأَمْرِهِ وَاللّهُ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الْفَاسِقِينَ​

The explanation:
(Say [to them, O Mohammed]:
"If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your clan, your possessions that you have gained, commerce you fear may slacken, dwellings you love –
if these are dearer to you than God and His messenger and to struggle in His way; then wait till God brings His 'amr' [: the angels of death]; God guides not the people of the ungodly.")


eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io​

 

[quandary121]

Man's life does not stop by his death; he will continue to live but in his new spiritual soul, not in his material body. ​

To this meaning one of the poets said:
"Truly, people are created to live, not to perish;
it is only a transmission:
from the World home of trial to the next world home of prosperity or misery."
http://man-after-death.site.io/#What_Is_Death_​

God's love for righteous people is more than the mother's love for her child; in fact He inserted the love in the mother's heart, so that she will love her child and take care of him.​

God Most Gracious, out of His mercy, he makes the mother and father love their children, and the children love their parents. And they will love their kindred.​

Moreover He inserted in people the love for many things:​

• Men love women –– so that reproduction will continue,
• People love sons and children –– so that progeny and offspring will be preserved,
• People love the large amounts of gold and silver –– so that they will work to get money and livelihood, and the affairs in the society will go on.
• They love [to possess] the good horses (and cars),
• They love [to possess] the cattle –– so they will eat the meat of the sheep, goat, cow and camel,
• They love [to possess] the cultivation and crops –– so they will eat the bread, vegetables and fruits.

This is in the Quran 3: 14​

زُيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ حُبُّ الشَّهَوَاتِ مِنَ النِّسَاء وَالْبَنِينَ وَالْقَنَاطِيرِ الْمُقَنطَرَةِ مِنَ الذَّهَبِ وَالْفِضَّةِ وَالْخَيْلِ الْمُسَوَّمَةِ وَالأَنْعَامِ وَالْحَرْثِ ذَلِكَ مَتَاعُ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَاللّهُ عِندَهُ حُسْنُ الْمَآبِ​

The explanation:
(Beautified to men is the love of lusts –– women, children, large amounts of gold and silver, horses ornamented [with silver badges], cattle and tillage.
[All of] that is the [temporary] enjoyment of the Worldly life; but with God [in the Hereafter] is the best resort.​

But prior to everything, God's love has to be the priority over all other things and beings; because man usually loves his father and mother, his sons, brothers, wife, tribe [, sect and party], his wealth that he earned, some trade he is earnest that it should not fail, and some houses and dwellings that his soul likes very much. ​

While God's love should be more than all this; as in the Quran 9: 24​

قُلْ إِن كَانَ آبَاؤُكُمْ وَأَبْنَآؤُكُمْ وَإِخْوَانُكُمْ وَأَزْوَاجُكُمْ وَعَشِيرَتُكُمْ وَأَمْوَالٌ اقْتَرَفْتُمُوهَا وَتِجَارَةٌ تَخْشَوْنَ كَسَادَهَا وَمَسَاكِنُ تَرْضَوْنَهَا أَحَبَّ إِلَيْكُم مِّنَ اللّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ وَجِهَادٍ فِي سَبِيلِهِ فَتَرَبَّصُواْ حَتَّى يَأْتِيَ اللّهُ بِأَمْرِهِ وَاللّهُ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الْفَاسِقِينَ​

The explanation:
(Say [to them, O Mohammed]:
"If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your clan, your possessions that you have gained, commerce you fear may slacken, dwellings you love –
if these are dearer to you than God and His messenger and to struggle in His way; then wait till God brings His 'amr' [: the angels of death]; God guides not the people of the ungodly.")​

eanassir

http://man-after-death.site.io​

People love the large amounts of gold and silver

i cant say that i would agree with this part of the quran eanassir

They love [to possess] the good horses (and cars),

and i would only agree with the part about horses very nobel animals worth respect IMHO

(Beautified to men is the love of lusts –– women, children, large amounts of gold and silver, horses ornamented [with silver badges], cattle and tillage.

NOPE I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS IT TAKES A WAY FROM THE LOVE OF GOD WITH EARTHLY VANITY'S. opps caps lock was on sorry dident mean to shout ..

But prior to everything, God's love has to be the priority over all other things and beings; because man usually loves his father and mother, his sons, brothers, wife, tribe [, sect and party], his wealth that he earned, some trade he is earnest that it should not fail, and some houses and dwellings that his soul likes very much.

this is more like it better put...

but are we getting a little sidetracked hear were discussing hereafter not love ...???

 

[quandary121]

[SIZE=+4]Afterlife Beliefs[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]Comparative beliefs of the afterlife by several major religions.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+3]Traditional Shinto[/SIZE]

Shinto, the native Japanese religion, is concerned with the veneration of nature and with ancestor worship; it does not have saints according to the standards of ethical perfection or of exceptionally meritorious performance. According to Shinto belief, every person after death becomes a kami, a supernatural being who continues to have a part in the life of the community, nation, and family. ( existing in another state or dimension )
The major kami ( god) was the sun godess amaratsu who oversaw all life on earth . ( all living things contained the lifeforce derived directly from the sun goddess . )
Good individuals become good and beneficial kamis; the bad become pernicious ones. Being elevated to the status of a divine being is not a privilege peculiar to those with saintly qualities, for evil men also become kamis. There are in Shinto, however, venerated mythical saints -- such as Okuni-nushi (Master of the Great Land) and Sukuma-Bikona (a dwarf deity) -- who are considered to be the discoverers and patrons of medicine, magic, and the art of brewing rice.

Interi Shinto sect . like several others, believe in reincarnation through various living beings, sometimes in lesser animals, other times in the unborn babies within the womb. ( It is an on-going re-interjection process from human to lesser animals to objects, back to human beings as part of the journey to becoming godlike as it was at the begining. )

[SIZE=+2]Egyptian[/SIZE]

Our knowledge of the Egyptian philosophy of death and the afterlife is derived from The Egyptian Book of the Dead. Basically, the belief was that the phaeroh was the personal representative of the Sun God Rah, and his followers were assured everlasting life in the afterworld if his body was preserved for eternity through embalming ! As such, since the Phaeroh was the guide to the followers, his body's preservation was required if they were to in-turn, through less elaborate burial proceedures, gain life after physical death.

[SIZE=+2]Ancient Grecian[/SIZE]

The dead were regarded as anemic doubles who had to be revived with drafts of blood, mead, wine, and water in order to enable them to speak in the Underworld. They were conducted, it was believed, to the realm of Hades by Hermes; but the way was barred, according to popular accounts, by the River Styx. For a fee of a few coins, Charon would ferry the dead across the marshy river. (Coins were placed in the mouths of corpses so that they would have the ferry fare once they reached Charon's crossing.)

The Greeks believed in reincarnation. According to Plato, the dead were judged in a meadow by Aeacus, Minos, and Rhadamanthus and were consigned either to Tartarus (a place of torture) or to the Isles of the Blest. Long periods of penance were required before the wicked could regain their celestial state, while some were condemned forever. The judged were permitted to choose lots for their next incarnations. Subsequently they drank from the stream of Lethe, the river of oblivion, and forgot all of their previous experiences.

[SIZE=+2]Roman[/SIZE]

(From: On the Republic by Cicero)

The Dream of Scipio is the conclusion of Cicero's treatise On the Republic, probably written in 54 BCE The dialogue is assumed to have taken place during the Latin holidays in 129 BCE, in the garden of Scipio Africanus the Younger. Scipio relates a dream in which he saw his grandfather, Scipio Africanus the Elder. "When I recognized him, I trembled with terror, but he said, 'Courage, Scipio, do not be afraid, but remember carefully what I am to tell you.'"
"By this time I was thoroughly terrified, not so much fearing death as the treachery of my own kind. Nevertheless, I inquired of Africanus whether he himself was still alive, and also whether my father Paulus was, and also the others whom we think of as having ceased to be.
"'Of course they are alive,' he replied. 'They have taken their flight from the bonds of the body as from a prison. Your so-called life [on earth] is really. death. Do you not see your father Paulus coming to meet you?' At the sight of my father I broke down and cried. But he embraced me and kissed me and told me not to weep.
As soon as I had controlled my grief and could speak, I began, 'Why, O best and saintliest of fathers, since here [only] is life worthy of the name, as I have just heard from Africanus, why must I live a dying life on earth? Why may I not hasten to join you here?'
"'No indeed,' he replied. 'Unless that God whose temple is the whole visible universe releases you from the prison of the body, you cannot gain entrance here. For men were given life for the purpose of cultivating that globe, called Earth, which you see at the center of this temple. Each has been given a soul, [a spark] from these eternal fires which you call stars and planets, which are globular and rotund and are animated by divine intelligence, and which with marvelous Velocity revolve in their established orbits. Like all god-fearing men, therefore, Publius, you must leave the soul in the custody of the body, and must not quit the life on Earth unless you are summoned by the one Who gave it to you; otherwise, you will be seen to shirk the duty assigned by God to man.
"'But Scipio, like your grandfather here, like myself, who was your father, cultivate justice and the sense of duty [pietas], which are of great importance in relation to parents and kindred but even more in relation to one's country. Such a life [spent in the service of one's country] is a highway to the skies, to the fellowship of those who have completed their earthly lives and have been released from the body and now dwell in that place which you see yonder (it was the circle of dazzling brilliance which blazed among the stars), which you, using a term borrowed from the Greeks, call the Milky Way. Looking about from this high vantage point, everything appeared to me to be marvelous and beautiful. There were stars which we never see from the Earth, and the dimensions of all of them were greater than we have ever suspected. The smallest among them was the one which, being farthest from Heaven and nearest the Earth, shone with a borrowed light [the Moon]. The size of the stars, however, far exceeded that of the Earth. Indeed, the later seemed so small that I was humiliated with our empire, which is only a point where we touch the surface of the globe...
"'You must use you best efforts,' he replied, 'and be sure that it is not you who are mortal, but only your body, nor is it you whom your outward form represents. Your spirit is your true self, not that bodily form that can be pointed out with the finger. Know yourself, therefore, to be a God -- if indeed a God is a being that lives, feels, remembers, and foresees, that rules, governs, and moves the body over which it is set, just as the supreme God above us rules this world. And just as that eternal God moves the universe, which is partly mortal, so an eternal spirit moves the fragile body.'"

[SIZE=+2]Celtic[/SIZE]

Little is known about the religious beliefs of the Celts of Gaul. They believed in a life after death, evidenced by the burial of food, weapons, and ornaments with the dead. The Druids, the early Celtic priesthood, taught the doctrine of transmigration of souls and discussed the nature and power of the Gods.

The Irish believed in an "otherworld," imagined sometimes as underground and sometimes as islands in the sea. The "otherworld" was variously called "the Land of the Living," "Delightful Plain," and "Land of the Young" and was believed to be a country where there was no sickness, old age, or death, where happiness lasted forever, and a hundred years was as one day. It was similar to the Elysium of the Greeks and may have belonged to ancient Indo-European tradition.
Most of our " swear " words are actual everyday words from the Celtish language . It waspart of an effort by the early " Christians" clergy to isolate the Celts from their followers by dictating that everything from that group was evil and anti-Christian, and was a sin against God to use or dwell into .

[SIZE=+2]Hebrew[/SIZE]

It was not until the second century BCE that the Hebrews formulated a belief in judgment after death. Before that they saw man as a psycho-physical being which was all but destroyed at death. What did remain was a "shade," a thing of little significance. This shade descended into a deep pit below the foundation of the world which was called Sheol (a place of gloom and dust) and was inhabited by both the just and unjust. This idea bears some similarity to Greek mythological belief. Eventually a conceptual change took place, marked by a brief passage in the Book of Daniel (12:2): "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

No one knows what brought about this change, but now a belief in resurrection and judgment of the dead became part of the Hebrew mythos. The idea gained support in Jewish literature, which included detailed descriptions of judgment by Yahweh (Jehovah). It was believed that there would be a Day of Yahweh, when God would punish the oppressors of the Jewish people. This was gradually transformed into the concept of the Last Judgment, and these refined beliefs were later incorporated by Christianity.

[SIZE=+2]Hindu[/SIZE]

The early Indians did not believe in reincarnation. Souls went to a world of bliss shared with the Gods if they were good, and to punishment in Hell if they were evil. This was a fusion of Aryan, non-Aryan and Sumerian influences.

The Aryans, a nomadic tribal group from Europe, invaded northern India between 1700 and 1200 BCE. Their religion was based on sky worship, which included Gods similar to Greek and Roman deities. Around 3500 BCE, the Sumerians settled in Babylonia and initiated a cultural revolution which formed the blueprint for social structure through to modern times. Each settlement had its own individual deity. In time, this created a large pantheon of Gods with complex interrelationships. Hinduism, which grew out of all this, introduced a hierarchy of Gods, who were in turn facets of a unitary principle, a force that is said to exist throughout nature and in all men. Here, God is believed to be in every living thing. The Indian religions are the only ones which postulate that after death the soul loses its individuality and merges with a greater being.
Hinduism has no founder, but it does have a body of texts known as the Veda (a word meaning "wisdom" or "knowledge"). The Veda set down the belief in rebirth and transmigration, the idea that souls may be reborn in the body of other animals. The reason for rebirth is one facet of] the law of Karma -- that a soul must keep returning to mortal existence until it has learned all the lessons of spiritual evolution.
Hindus are metaphysically minded. They spend a lifetime searching for that unifying principle which they believe binds the whole universe: that unknown something was termed "Brahman," or occasionally "Atman". The search leads to mystical states of mind so strange that they are hard to explain in words. This "cosmic consciousness" has been described by one modern practitioner who said it shows "...the cosmos as entirely immaterial, entirely spiritual and entirely alive; it shows that death is an absurdity, that everyone and everything has eternal life; it shows that the universe is God and that God is the universe, and that no evil ever did or ever will enter into it."

[SIZE=+2]Buddhist[/SIZE]

Buddhism appeared in the sixth century BCE, growing out of Hinduism. It postulated a series of graded paradises, each more beautiful and sensual than its predecessor. Ascent through these dimensions is dependent on individual virtue and meditation. Yet in both religions the desire was not for ultimate and personal pleasure, but for a release from the bondage of "personality." This pure spiritual state is referred to as "Nirvana." A soul may dwell in the levels of paradise for eons, but ultimately it must leave to continue its pilgrimage.

In Buddhist and Hindu beliefs there is a "Hell," too, where souls languish in suffering. But to be relegated there is not necessarily permanent. The Hindu God Krishna, for instance, visited the kingdom of the dead and released a favorite pupil. In Buddhism, Hell is often entered by a "Bodhisattva" who then releases some of its inmates. A Bodhisattva is one who is highly evolved spiritually, and on the way to becoming a Buddha as a result of merit gained in previous earthly lives. The Chinese Buddhist Goddess Kwan Yin turned a Hell into a Paradise whilst in trance.

[SIZE=+2]African Traditional Religion[/SIZE]

They that are born are destined to die; and the dead to be brought to life again; and the living to be judged, to know, to make known, and to be made conscious that He is God, He the Maker, He the Creator, He the Discerner, He the Judge, He the Witness, He the Complainant; He it is that will in future judge, blessed be He, with whom there is no unrighteousness, nor forgetfulness, nor respect of persons, nor taking of bribes. Know also that everything is according to reckoning; and let not your imagination give you hope that the grave will be a place of refuge for you. For perforce you were formed, and perforce you were born, and perforce you live, and perforce you will die, and perforce you will in the future have to give account and reckoning before the King of kings, the Holy One, blessed be He.

[SIZE=+2]Zoroastrianism[/SIZE]

A major personality in the history of the religions of the world, Zoroaster has been the object of much attention for two reasons. On the one hand, he became a legendary figure believed to be connected with occult knowledge and magical practices in the Near Eastern and Mediterranean world in the Hellenistic Age (c. 300 BCE -- c. CE 300). On the other hand, his monotheistic concept of God has attracted the attention of modern historians of religion, who have speculated on the connections between his teaching and Judaism and Christianity.

Almost every passage contains some reference to the fate awaiting men in the afterlife. Each act, speech, and thought is viewed as being related to an existence after death. The earthly state is connected with a state beyond, in which the Wise Lord will reward the good act, speech, and thought and punish the bad. This motive for doing good seems to be the strongest available to Zoroaster in his message. After death, the soul of man must pass over the Bridge of the Requiter (Cinvat), which everyone looks upon with fear and anxiety. After judgment is passed by Ahura Mazda, the good enter the kingdom of everlasting joy and light, and the bad are consigned to the regions of horror and darkness. Zoroaster, however, goes beyond this, announcing an end phase for the visible world, "the last turn of creation." In this last phase, Ahriman will be destroyed, and the world will be wonderfully renewed and be inhabited by the good, who will live in joy. Later forms of Zoroastrianism teach a resurrection of the dead, a teaching for which some basis may be found in the Gathas. Through the resurrection of the dead, the renewal of the world bestows a last fulfillment on the followers of the Wise Lord.

[SIZE=+2]Christian[/SIZE]

The Christian religion originated in Judea, and its first members were Jews. The initial expansion was into the Greek-speaking world of the eastern Mediterranean. It seems to have emerged as a religion recognizably different from Judaism around CE 64. As Christianity spread, divisions of religious practices and interpretation of holy texts arose among its adherents.

Christians argue that a benevolent God would hardly have given us life merely for it to end after a relatively short period of time with the demise of the physical body. The Christian doctrine taught that the human soul created by God was immortal. Once placed within the physical shell, the two were then inextricably linked until death, when the soul left the body. But the theory of organic evolution teaches that man was descended from the lower animals. If this is the case, at what point did man become immortal, or is all sentient life indestructible?
Jesus himself promised eternal life: "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live." Some, notably the sect known as the Gnostics, claimed that, because the body is material and therefore intrinsically evil, Christ had been composed of a spiritual body and not of flesh and blood. However, when Jesus was resurrected from the cross he assured his disciples of his physical reality by eating a fish.
Christ also promised a last judgment day, when the good would receive eternal happiness and sinners perpetual pain and misery in the fires of Hell. After the last judgment the majority of souls were destined for purgatory, where they were to expiate their sins. At the Second Coming of Christ, the decomposed bodies of everyone who had ever lived would be reconstituted and their souls returned to them for the Final Judgment.
Mankind is perceived by Christians as a fallen race. Each baby is born with the blemish of Adam's original sin, and is immediately tarnished in the eyes of God. Heaped on this are the sins each individual commits during life. After death, even a newborn child has to make atonement to God.
In the Middle Ages, a terrifying picture of Hell was painted. Those who resided in Heaven were perceived gloating, watching from on high those suffering fiery tortures below. On the whole, modern Christians and Jews, whilst still firmly believing an afterlife, view Heaven and Hell in a more diluted and philosophical form. Some reject the concept of Hell altogether; or agree that if it does exist, it represents a place where the wicked are denied access to God. Conversely, Heaven is seen as a condition where the human soul is elevated to God's level and exists close to Him. The modern Christian fundamentalist movement, however, firmly believes in real places: Heaven and Hell.

[SIZE=+2]Islamic[/SIZE]

The prophet Mohammed founded the complex religious movement of Islam in the seventh century CE at Mecca in Arabia, when he was about forty. At this time he started receiving revelations from God, but it was twelve years before the movement became established with a large community of Moslems. Its beliefs and laws were set down first of all in the Koran, then additionally in a collection of material called the Tradition.

The Koran gives guidance on many matters and summons man to submit to God and do His will or suffer the consequences. Those consequences are to be realized in the afterlife. The good were promised a garden of paradise filled with delights. The evil, however, were threatened with severe punishments in the hereafter.
After the dead have been buried and the mourners have departed, two angels, Munkar and Nakeer, are said to arrive and interrogate them. The dead are made to sit upright, and are expected to have a full knowledge of and belief in Islam. If the questions are answered correctly, then the deceased is allowed access to paradise through a door that opens on command from Heaven. However, if the questions are answered incorrectly, the infidel pays the price. A door to Hell opens, releasing heat and an odious wind. The grave closes in on him, crushing his ribs and leaving him suffering until the day of resurrection.
On that day, man is made to stand up before God and be judged. No defense is allowed -- everything of each individual's past life is recorded and read from a scroll. Finally, the good deeds and the bad are weighed against each other to determine the fate of each person.
In the Tradition, there is also mention of a bridge over Hell. This bridge is said to be "finer than a hair and sharper than a sword." All must attempt to cross it: believers arrive safely, while unbelievers fall into the abyss.

[SIZE=+2]Australian Aboriginal[/SIZE]

Australian Aboriginal "Dream Time" represents the home of the Gods, psychic messages, spirits and ancestors; it is a place where time and space have little meaning. Many Aborigines still live their lives according to rules handed down for millennia through story and song.

There is also a strong sense of spiritual feeling attached to many of the decisions made by aborigines. They base their lives on intuitive hunches and the ability to empathize with the emotions and actions of others, even at a distance. Mythology tells of whole tribes responding to an inner call to move out of danger to another place. They have harnessed the powers that we may all possess at some level, but which modern Western society has driven down into the deep recesses of the mind. We have become conditioned to assume that communing with spirits and sensing the oneness of all things is superstitious nonsense. Yet as a result we have lost touch with basic survival skills that may once have kept us alive in a hostile environment.
Early students of aboriginal legend discovered the belief that the dead were "taken to the sky" and eventually brought to Earth again. Those who were returned would do so in a trance, bemused by the mourning of their friends and relatives who thought them dead. They would be treated with reverence, and many became shamans. Whether these were legends of survival or examples of near death experiences, one can appreciate the impact they made on aboriginal culture and the importance placed upon the view that we do have spirit and that it survives bodily extinction.

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I Suppose each culture has its own views on the after life and depending on which culture you belong too depends on what you believe ,one group of Pigmy's used to believe that when they died ,they would return as white men , now did they have this belief before they met a white man or after, the Mayans Incas used to think that the Spanish conquistadors were half man half horse having never seen men on horse back before ,so are were conditioned to believe certain things because we are taught these things or do we really know what we think we know to be the truth ,religions can only guide us but if they themselves have motives of there own then what they say can only be speculated on this leaves science to solve our dilemmas ,well science is not conclusive as it needs a control group to compare notes with ,my thoughts are these each living sentient being has a soul , my reasons for believing in this are what ...? my rational it tells me with out a soul i have no meaning as to gain a higher understanding of oneself is the goal to life is it not with out a goal to our life's what would be the point...!!!

 

[talloola]

you all have great imaginations about another life after the one you are living, good
for making movies I guess.
The only thing left from any of you will be what you have distributed around this earth,
in the way of 'children'. They will live on, but you will be gone.
You won't be surprised to find out that everything you imagined here on earth while
you were alive didn't come to pass, cause you will be 'deader than a doornail'.
You'll be good for the earth though, we all need to do our share of fertilizing, so maybe
you will help grow green bushes and trees, and a green lawn.
While you are spending so much energy thinking about the afterlife, don't forget to pay
attention to whats happening right here on this earth, cause that's it folks, don't know
why others can't see how great it is to be alive, instead of spending so much of your energy looking to what happens after you are dead.
I think you are all 'just' afraid to admit that you die just like all of the other alive critters
on this earth.
Some of your stories are amazing though, good for hollywood.

 

[eanassir]

i cant say that i would agree with this part of the quran eanassir

NOPE I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS IT TAKES A WAY FROM THE LOVE OF GOD WITH EARTHLY VANITY'S. opps caps lock was on sorry dident mean to shout ..

There are many instincts that God inserted in man: like the sex desire, which purpose to continue the man-kind (the same is true in animal.)​

Among other instincts and motives is that he loves his sons and children; so that he will take care about his offspring, and then they may not perish.​

One of the other incentives is his love for gold, sliver and collecting the wealth, so that he will work to get his livelihood; and by this means life will continue and society will prosper; because each will have a career: this one will be a carpenter, and that one a teacher and another will be a merchant, and so on.​

If they have not this motive, all of them will stay in their homes, and none will work, but when they work to obtain money, then they will serve each other, and their affairs will be successful. People will go to the top of mountains, to the depth of seas and the middle of the desert, will keep vigil at night and will endanger their lives for search of wealth. ​

So generally speaking people love the gold, silver and the large amounts of money; but this does not mean that the gold and silver should be the purpose; neither is the gold and silver and the large number of sons will bring man nearer to God, or that God is pleased particularly with the one that has many sons. ​

But it is the faith in God as One without associate, and the righteous work and the god-fearing that will make God pleased with man. ​

This is in the Quran 34: 37​

وَمَا أَمْوَالُكُمْ وَلَا أَوْلَادُكُم بِالَّتِي تُقَرِّبُكُمْ عِندَنَا زُلْفَى إِلَّا مَنْ آمَنَ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَأُوْلَئِكَ لَهُمْ جَزَاء الضِّعْفِ بِمَا عَمِلُوا وَهُمْ فِي الْغُرُفَاتِ آمِنُونَ​

The explanation:
( It is not your [abundant] wealth [eventhough you spent all of it in charity] would bring you to Our neighborhood,
nor would your children [eventhough they worked righteous work] let you have an honorable degree before Us [because you are associaters]; ​

excepting [the spending of] those who believe and work righteous [deeds]; theirs will be twofold reward [for their believing and spending], and they will be secure in lofty mansions [in Paradise.]​

And there are many ayat of the Quran speaking about the same meaning.​

Therefore, the first aya to which meaning you object, speak about the instincts and motives inserted in man, while the other aya speak about what behavior and conduct is better.​

In other words:​

• Man desires for women; but this should be in marriage, not in adultery.
• Man desires for children; but he should know that it is not his many children that will make him righteous and close to God; but when he works righteous deeds and grows his children to God-fearing: this will let God be pleased with him.
• Man desires for wealth, gold and silver; but he should obtain all that in lawful way, do not steal or cheat others, do not take the bribe nor the advantage of the usury, and he should give the alms to the poor for the sake of God alone; then God will be pleased with him.

However, most of people esteem and respect man according to his wealth, and this is wrong; because the large amount of gold and wealth and the so many sons that he has do not indicate any virtue, unless he uses all that in the way of God. ​

eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io
http://man-after-death.site.io
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Well said talloola. There's lots of speculation and philosophizing and wishful thinking and whatnot about the next life, but there's no way to prove there's a next life, the only life we can be absolutely certain we've got is this one, because here we are living it. Therefore, we must make the best of it that we possibly can, love each other, care for each other, respect each other, help each other, try to make a positive difference, and hope that when we're gone people will remember us fondly, because it might be the only chance we get. There's no way to know, so don't bet the farm on doing better the next time. Do it now.

 

[talloola]

Well said talloola. There's lots of speculation and philosophizing and wishful thinking and whatnot about the next life, but there's no way to prove there's a next life, the only life we can be absolutely certain we've got is this one, because here we are living it. Therefore, we must make the best of it that we possibly can, love each other, care for each other, respect each other, help each other, try to make a positive difference, and hope that when we're gone people will remember us fondly, because it might be the only chance we get. There's no way to know, so don't bet the farm on doing better the next time. Do it now.

I've been on this earth 69 years, have been told about going to heaven or hell, as an innocent little girl, and throughout my life I've heard all sorts of silly stories about afterlife. If any of that stuff was true, we would have had some sort of 'real' signal
by now, and there hasn't been anything but lots of goofy beliefs and sermons and
'whatever', so, unlike you, I cannot even consider that word 'might', as, any of the
fantasies they believe, are just that, fantasies, and they won't suck me into having
any doubts at all. We have what we have, and I accept that, I am part of that, I
fit into that. I will leave this earth without anyone showing me that
there is anything but our 'packing it in' at some point, and that is that.
It's been that way for thousands of years, and it will be the same for thousands more,
and on and on, unless we find a way to destroy ourselves. What on earth is wrong
with our living and dying just like all of the other living things on our earth, why should
we think we are better than they, and that somehow we are going to live again, no,
I am going back into this earth with all of the horses/birds,fish/ and my sisters and
brothers, that is natural, normal and truthful, and real, and no, when they say
that my soul will leave my body, that is just another madeup word of theirs, to try
to connect something invisible/religious to our physical bodies. there is no such thing as a soul either, but that is for the other thread.

 

[eanassir]

Religion was once needed by people to deliver them from miserable drudgery that was life. Today in North America and Europe, people live better than Earls did. They live longer, eat better, have better cloths, warmer homes, have better entertainment etc... Peasants in England at one time would bury themselves when they heard invaders were coming to save the trouble for those that would soon murder them. In other words, life really really sucked, and not just for the poor but for everyone. Today even the poor in richer nations live better than kings and earls did. Back then all people had to live for was that they would be delivered from their daily horror and populate a realm called heaven one day. Things have changed, however, and now that myth isn't needed anymore. Daily life has become so much easier (thanks to technology and social change) that empty promises and childish fantasies aren't needed. We can live for today and toward a better future. We just need a gestalt shift away from thinking drudgery is part of life or most peoples or anyones. A shift away from economics that run on and exploit human misery. I think maybe our next civilization will make that leap if there are any of us left around.

The religion is the doctrine and acts of obedience or rites.
Therefore, no one can be without any religion.

There is the religion of the atheism, the idolatry, the polytheism, the association with God –– on the other hand there is the religion of God: the monotheism: that God is One without associate or equal or son or daughters or wife or any patron.

It is right that God has bestowed on people every grace – in the present time – and that the simple farmer or peasant may have a refrigerator, air-conditioner, car …etc that even the kings in the past did not own.

But the essential needs of man everywhere and everytime are the same; so that if you study the Pharaonic civilization in the ancient Egypt, you will find them have a large number of furniture and tools that were supposed to let them live a good life, and were some inventions and advances according to their time.

Therefore, it is not the wealth, the dress, the furniture and other tools that man used in his Worldly life are the important; but the important thing is his doctrine in God as One without associate and his belief in all the apostles and all the heavenly books in addition to his righteous work that will let man prosper in his inevitably coming next world of souls following death.

This is in the Quran 42: 36​

فَما أوتِيتُمْ مِنْ شَيءٍ فَمَتاعُ الحَياةِ الدُّنْيا ، و ما عِنْدَ اللهِ خَيْرٌ و أبْقَى لِلّذِينَ آمَنُوا و على ربِّهِمْ يَتَوَكّلُون .​

The explanation: ( Whatever [material] thing you [people] have been given, is only a [transient] comfort for the life of the World, but the [ethereal] that God has, is better and more lasting for those who believe and put their trust in their Lord.)


eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io​

 

[eanassir]

I've been on this earth 69 years, have been told about going to heaven or hell, as an innocent little girl, and throughout my life I've heard all sorts of silly stories about afterlife. If any of that stuff was true, we would have had some sort of 'real' signal
by now, and there hasn't been anything but lots of goofy beliefs and sermons and
'whatever', so, unlike you, I cannot even consider that word 'might', as, any of the
fantasies they believe, are just that, fantasies, and they won't suck me into having
any doubts at all. We have what we have, and I accept that, I am part of that, I
fit into that. I will leave this earth without anyone showing me that
there is anything but our 'packing it in' at some point, and that is that.
It's been that way for thousands of years, and it will be the same for thousands more,
and on and on, unless we find a way to destroy ourselves. What on earth is wrong
with our living and dying just like all of the other living things on our earth, why should
we think we are better than they, and that somehow we are going to live again, no,
I am going back into this earth with all of the horses/birds,fish/ and my sisters and
brothers, that is natural, normal and truthful, and real, and no, when they say
that my soul will leave my body, that is just another madeup word of theirs, to try
to connect something invisible/religious to our physical bodies. there is no such thing as a soul either, but that is for the other thread.

69 years taloola?
We say here "your foot is in the grave" – although the lifespan is according to God's decree.

If things proved opposite to what you say, and when you die (as will all of us die), then you will find that there is another life of souls; and the soul is the true man, what will your fate be then, when you will discover that only the body will become dust?

This is in the Quran 78: 40-41​

إِنَّا أَنذَرْنَاكُمْ عَذَابًا قَرِيبًا يَوْمَ يَنظُرُ الْمَرْءُ مَا قَدَّمَتْ يَدَاهُ وَيَقُولُ الْكَافِرُ يَا لَيْتَنِي كُنتُ تُرَابًا​

The explanation:
(We warn you [associaters] of an imminent chastisement [following your death.]

The day when [believing] man shall behold what [charity] his hands have forwarded [to the Hereafter],

but the unbeliever shall say: "O would that I were dust [to get rid of the torment like my body that has become dust so it has got rid of the punishment.]")


eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io​