Looking Back-Sonny & Cher

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Sonny & Cher proved one of the magical musical combinations of the mid '60s and one of the better rock-influenced MOR acts of the early '70s, their wisecracking repartee providing counterpoint to a series of adoring hit duets. Salvatore "Sonny" Bono (b. Feb. 16, 1935) started out at Los Angeles-based Specialty Records as a songwriter in the late '50s, responsible for "Koko Joe" by Don and Dewey and "She Said Yeah" for Larry Williams, which was later covered by the Rolling Stones and the Righteous Brothers. Bono became a protégé of Phil Spector, managing to write a handful of successful songs, most notably "Needles and Pins" in collaboration with his protégé Jack Nitzsche, which became a success for Jackie DeShannon and a huge international hit for the Searchers. In 1964, while working sessions with Phil Spector, he met an 18-year-old would-be singer named Cherilyn Lapierre (b. May 20, 1946), and the two were later married. They formed a professional duet, initially as Caesar and Cleo for Vault Records and later Reprise, but it was only after they were signed to Atlantic Records as Sonny & Cher that success came their way. The couple embarked on parallel careers, with Cher later signed to Liberty/Imperial Records as a solo act. They were a strange duet in the sense that neither had a great voice and, indeed, their voices were so similar that Atlantic's president Ahmet Ertegun was convinced that Sonny had come close to breaking a contract by turning up singing with her on her solo hit "All I Really Want to Do" and her other Imperial hits. The latter song, however, also demonstrated their ability to spot a hit, as well as good material for themselves -- they'd heard the Byrds performing the Dylan song at a club in Los Angeles and got Cher's recording out before the Byrds' own was in stores, beating the folk-rock group at its own game of popularizing Dylan songs. She subsequently hit with "Bang Bang (My Baby Shot Me Down)" while Sonny charted with "Laugh at Me" on Atco, but their biggest success was as a duet on Atco, with "I Got You Babe" and "The Beat Goes On."
For a time, from 1965 until 1967, they were rock & roll's hottest couple, so much so that in some conservative communities they were considered almost morally subversive; parents locked up their kids when Sonny and Cher were passing through for a concert appearance. They were popular enough, and sufficiently well-known in their images that the Rolling Stones impersonated them on the British television music showcase Ready Steady Go, miming to "I Got You Babe" with Brian Jones subbing for Sonny.
And then nothing -- the hits stopped coming, and the couple made some daringly creative but unsuccessful commercial missteps, even a movie (Good Times, directed by William Friedkin in his debut) that was, like the Monkees' Head, too far ahead of its time for critics or all but the most advanced fans to appreciate. A further film effort, Chastity, a name shared by their daughter, also bombed, and the sudden confrontation of a $200,000 income tax debt forced the couple to continue working. Further, they were unable to record because of a dispute with Atlantic over Sonny's objections to the way that Cher's solo career was being handled.
They were playing supper clubs and Las Vegas nightclubs, opening for people like Pat Boone, when Johnny Musso, a friend of the couple's, was jumping from an executive position at Atlantic to run Decca Records' Kapp label subsidiary, and brought the duo with him. At around the same time, their stage act -- which had evolved into a kind of "with it" domestic comedy routine nearly as prominent as the music, with the tall, wry-witted Cher cutting up on the seemingly dim-witted Sonny -- was spotted by Fred Silverman, who was then the head of programming for CBS. They ended up with a summer replacement try-out show that did so well that Sonny & Cher were given a regular spot in the CBS lineup in January 1972 with a comedy-variety series.
The couple's recording career was revived initially by a live album cut in one night at Las Vegas, featuring new versions of their early hits as well as parts of their current repertory; the album went gold. The first couple of singles by Cher and Sonny & Cher failed, but then producer Snuff Garrett, who had been at Liberty when Cher was there but had never worked with her, was brought in, and the result was "Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves," a career-reviving number one hit. After that, "The Way of Love," "All I Ever Need Is You" (which became the theme for their TV show), "A Cowboy's Work Is Never Done," "Half Breed," and "Dark Lady" kept either Cher or the couple in the Top Ten at various times through 1974. By then, however, their marriage had fallen apart, and with it, the success of their TV show.
By then, it didn't matter -- they were pop culture icons, though Bono became the butt of many jokes when Cher eclipsed him with her acting career in movies like Silkwood and Mask. Bono was in the restaurant business when his outrage at the bureaucracy of the government in Palm Springs, CA, caused him to declare his candidacy for mayor -- he won the election, and subsequently was elected to Congress during the 1994 Republican sweep of the House of Representatives. He continued to represent his ex-wife's business interests, even as his subsequent remarriage (the name Sonny & Cher is trademarked), and was beginning to make a mark as a conservative Republican member of the California House delegation when he died in a skiing accident in 1998. Bono's fourth wife, Mary, succeeded him to the same House seat in a special election and the general election in 1998. ~ Bruce Eder, All Music Guide
Written by Bruce Eder
 

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I loved Sonny and Cher, I loved their singing and their tv programme. I think I like Cher with him better than I do her solo. Too bad she let her personal ambition ruin a good thing.
 

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I loved Sonny and Cher, I loved their singing and their tv programme. I think I like Cher with him better than I do her solo. Too bad she let her personal ambition ruin a good thing.


I could never figure out what she saw in him.
 

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She had the great talent, and he saw that in her when she was very young, but she had no ambition

and not a clue how to develope herself into the talent we all came to know, without him, she would

have gone "nowhere". He was a driving force, and when she became an adult, she couldn't continue

doing what he told her to do, all the time, she had to fly on her own, it's too bad, but it was all just

part of her growing up, and gaining confidence, and believing in herself, then "bye bye" Sonny.
 

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She had the great talent, and he saw that in her when she was very young, but she had no ambition

and not a clue how to develope herself into the talent we all came to know, without him, she would

have gone "nowhere". He was a driving force, and when she became an adult, she couldn't continue

doing what he told her to do, all the time, she had to fly on her own, it's too bad, but it was all just

part of her growing up, and gaining confidence, and believing in herself, then "bye bye" Sonny.

Yes, and no. Let's not dismiss the man as having no talent. True, he was not a singer, but in fairness he was a brilliant songwriter and producer and was able to make them household names, no credit to her.

In fact, I read his autobiography and statements from Cher indicating it was never intended for them to be a duo! The original plan was Cher would sing and Sonny would write her songs and produce the records. First day of the very first CHER session to record a song called "Baby Don't Go"(one of their early big hits) and Cher froze at the mic. No matter what Sonny said or did, she couldn't sing. Finally, she asked him to do the harmonies with her to give her confidance, and the rest, as they say is history.
 

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Yes, and no. Let's not dismiss the man as having no talent. True, he was not a singer, but in fairness he was a brilliant songwriter and producer and was able to make them household names, no credit to her.

In fact, I read his autobiography and statements from Cher indicating it was never intended for them to be a duo! The original plan was Cher would sing and Sonny would write her songs and produce the records. First day of the very first CHER session to record a song called "Baby Don't Go"(one of their early big hits) and Cher froze at the mic. No matter what Sonny said or did, she couldn't sing. Finally, she asked him to do the harmonies with her to give her confidance, and the rest, as they say is history

Yes, of course, you are right, and I didn't mean to dismiss his talents, as I enjoyed him emmensley,
he was very talented, but all she really had back then was a "VOICE", and nothing else to go with
it. She owes a lot to sonny, as far as blossoming into a great talent, in her own right, as he hung
in there with her, till she "finally" got it.
 

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talloola;771787 [I said:
Yes, of course, you are right, and I didn't mean to dismiss his talents, as I enjoyed him emmensley,[/I]
he was very talented, but all she really had back then was a "VOICE", and nothing else to go with
it. She owes a lot to sonny, as far as blossoming into a great talent, in her own right, as he hung
in there with her, till she "finally" got it.


Funny though, as a couple they bring up a very human problem, that of a man so totally controlling his wife that she ends up having no actual say in her marriage, her personal life or her career. Maybe that is what she truly rebelled against, being treated like a child in what should have been an equally loving and supportive relationship?
 

talloola

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Funny though, as a couple they bring up a very human problem, that of a man so totally controlling his wife that she ends up having no actual say in her marriage, her personal life or her career. Maybe that is what she truly rebelled against, being treated like a child in what should have been an equally loving and supportive relationship

I'm sure of it, as when that time came, she was no different than any young, regular, woman, who
has come to the realization that she needs to find her way, have control over her own life, and if
she continues this relationship , that will never happen, although it probably could have happened,
if she knew how to develope her own life within "their" lives, and it is done all the time. It is the
success of one individual to have the vision to, hold on to something that is special, "such as a
marriage", and open up your own life to more learning and maturing. A person who is a controlling\
individual, can often become the one controlled, as they finally feel trapped and think they have to
look after the other one, or they cannot function, so the original controlled person must make a
move, and become a stronger individual.

I have been rambling, got carried away
 

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I'm sure of it, as when that time came, she was no different than any young, regular, woman, who
has come to the realization that she needs to find her way, have control over her own life, and if
she continues this relationship , that will never happen, although it probably could have happened,
if she knew how to develope her own life within "their" lives, and it is done all the time. It is the
success of one individual to have the vision to, hold on to something that is special, "such as a
marriage", and open up your own life to more learning and maturing. A person who is a controlling\
individual, can often become the one controlled, as they finally feel trapped and think they have to
look after the other one, or they cannot function, so the original controlled person must make a
move, and become a stronger individual.

I have been rambling, got carried away

my mom has dvd's from their show, so i know who these guys are and of course i know who cher is. what freaked me out about this article was she was like 18 and he was in his 30's when they met. what the hell did she see in such an old guy? thats creepy.
 

talloola

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my mom has dvd's from their show, so i know who these guys are and of course i know who cher is. what freaked me out about this article was she was like 18 and he was in his 30's when they met. what the hell did she see in such an old guy? thats creepy

Because she was "brainless" and "lazy", he provided some "brain power,"energy" and "ambition" which she did not have.

All she could do was "sing", and probably have "sex".

She looked pretty good, so that is the "only" attraction she had for him, he had much more than that
going for him, and he was able to see "her potential as a singer", she couldn't even see that. She was quite
a boring person.
 

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success of one individual to have the vision to, hold on to something that is special, "such as a
marriage", and open up your own life to more learning and maturing. A person who is a controlling\
individual, can often become the one controlled, as they finally feel trapped and think they have to
look after the other one, or they cannot function, so the original controlled person must make a
move, and become a stronger individual.

I have been rambling, got carried away


I think, as time went on in their career, and Cher's solo career was doing so well, she began to enjoy the spotlight. Maybe she got tired of sharing it with Sonny? I can understand that. Like allot of women, Cher probably got tired of his attitude as "the man". He may have been talented and had drive like you guys say, but he was an old fashioned guy when it came to women I think.
 

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Funny though, as a couple they bring up a very human problem, that of a man so totally controlling his wife that she ends up having no actual say in her marriage, her personal life or her career. Maybe that is what she truly rebelled against, being treated like a child in what should have been an equally loving and supportive relationship?


Okay, I have to say it. What is so bad about a traditional marriage where the husband is actually head of the household? Take the example of this couple, did Sonny do so badly by Cher being in charge?
Bet lots of women would like a guy like him around taking care of them properly.
 
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csanopal

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my mom has dvd's from their show, so i know who these guys are and of course i know who cher is. what freaked me out about this article was she was like 18 and he was in his 30's when they met. what the hell did she see in such an old guy? thats creepy.

Probably, like allot of women, looking for a father figure. I think I read somewhere her dad was dead or something and she was rasied with her siser by her mother. You gotta wonder what was wrong with her mother! I mean, back in those days 18 was stil a minor and here she lets her teenage daughter move in with a divorced man in his late 20's-early 30's.
 

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Okay, I have to say it. What is so bad about a traditional marriage where the husband is actually head of the household? Take the example of this couple, did Sonny do so badly by Cher being in charge?
Bet lots of women would like a guy like him around taking care of them properly.

There is nothing wrong with one of the marriage partners acting as the one who "takes care" of the major decisions, per se. But these should be done after consultations with one's partner. Far better to arrive at decisions together. In this scenario, what I think happens, be it to Cher or any woman, is that as the woman ages, she begins to resent not being able to play a role in decisons which are ultimatey going to affect her. One's wife is not your chattel, or should not be anyway. One's wife should always be an equal partner in the marriage.
 

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Probably, like allot of women, looking for a father figure. I think I read somewhere her dad was dead or something and she was rasied with her siser by her mother. You gotta wonder what was wrong with her mother! I mean, back in those days 18 was stil a minor and here she lets her teenage daughter move in with a divorced man in his late 20's-early 30's.


thats a good point. what do you mean 18 was a minor? what was the age of majority back in the early 1960s in the usa?
 

mapleleafgirl

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Okay, I have to say it. What is so bad about a traditional marriage where the husband is actually head of the household? Take the example of this couple, did Sonny do so badly by Cher being in charge?
Bet lots of women would like a guy like him around taking care of them properly.

oh pu-leaze..get over yourself... what the heck do you think women are, some sort of slaves or something?
 

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when he died in a skiing accident in 1998. Bono's fourth wife, Mary, succeeded him to the same House seat in a special election and the general election in 1998. ~ Bruce Eder, All Music Guide
Written by Bruce Eder

hey, it says here that this mary was sonnys fourth wife..i didnt know he had more than just cher and mary. where did the other two come from anyway?