wow...struck a nerve I guess. I sure didn't say that there was no disfunctional families in rural areas. I wasn't even talking about reserves. I was thinking more in terms of all the small farming communities across the prairies (because that's what I know best). Are you trying to tell me that drug abuse and sex abuse is normal in large families on reserves? It sure wasn't all that common in the small towns I lived in, although it did happen on occasion. In the the town I grew up in, kids could be free and roam around town at will. If they were up to anything dangerous or troublesome, a neighbour would be as good as a parent and step in. That is what I meant by a sense of community. So why do you think crime rates are so high in Regina and Saskatoon? Is it because there are too many perverted dads and uncles? Or is it because there are groups of people who have less financial security and opportunity? Or are you suggesting it's just a racial thing to be criminally active?
Crime stats in Saskatoon
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Re: RE: Crime stats in Saskatoon
Take your pick. Crime rates among natives in rural areas is well above average and crimes rates among natives in urban areas are well above average...in B.C., Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba.
I've never known any poor natives. The ones I knew growing up all received government cheques every month and when I was struggling to get by in university, native kids were getting their way paid for. If natives have less financial security it's because they haven't taken advantage of the incredible opportunities presented to them on a silver platter. It must be nice getting a cheque every month to finance bingo and then scream loud enough so the government bilds you a new house to replace the last one with smashed out windows.
Now go back to political correctness and pretending incest and rape is a product of poverty and alienation.
Liz said:
Take your pick. Crime rates among natives in rural areas is well above average and crimes rates among natives in urban areas are well above average...in B.C., Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba.
I've never known any poor natives. The ones I knew growing up all received government cheques every month and when I was struggling to get by in university, native kids were getting their way paid for. If natives have less financial security it's because they haven't taken advantage of the incredible opportunities presented to them on a silver platter. It must be nice getting a cheque every month to finance bingo and then scream loud enough so the government bilds you a new house to replace the last one with smashed out windows.
Now go back to political correctness and pretending incest and rape is a product of poverty and alienation.
Hmmm, I remember well years and years ago when the RCMP - well, a few outraged northern detachment officers here in Ontario - tried to blow the whistle on systemic sexual abuse on northern reserves. They were shut up pretty quick! This was at a time before the residential school issue blew up.
Natives will only improve their conditions when they 'own' their problems and resolve to do something about them.
Natives will only improve their conditions when they 'own' their problems and resolve to do something about them.
By "average" do you mean whitey? Remember that we are talking about crime rates in urban Sask. If you that there are no poor native people in the city of Regina you have never been there. Just because they get cheques doesn't mean that they are substantial. Even if the cheques are big, it doesn't mean that after the bingo there is any left for food. I think you are putting the horse before the cart. If you look at the crime in these cities, it is mostly minor assaults and theft.
Don't get me started on university...I have another post somewhere on this site that tells in great detail about how I couldn't get the classes I needed before my dark skinned sister started registering for me.
This has nothing to do with being PC. I agree that Natives are responsible for a lot of crime in Regina, but they are a high percentage of the pop, and MANY live far below the poverty line.
People don't rape because they are freeloading Natives. Toss the biggotry and look for some cause and effect.
Don't get me started on university...I have another post somewhere on this site that tells in great detail about how I couldn't get the classes I needed before my dark skinned sister started registering for me.
This has nothing to do with being PC. I agree that Natives are responsible for a lot of crime in Regina, but they are a high percentage of the pop, and MANY live far below the poverty line.
People don't rape because they are freeloading Natives. Toss the biggotry and look for some cause and effect.
I am certainly not saying that the struggles that many people face today are not self inflicted. Whether they are or not doesn't change the fact that there are struggles.
Again, how do freebies (taken advantage of or not) have to do with crime rates and whether it's safe to walk the streets in Saskatoon?
An educated society is a safer society, a more responsible society and a wealthier one. If native communities are impoverished, a good deal of the blame lies on poor educational choices. And really who in Canada has greater choice than they?
True..they have more options open than many do. But really why are these opportunities not used? Obviously there is something deeper causing a lack of initiative and I don't think it's genetics. Perhaps it is the pattern that generation after generation has lived since before the opportunities were available. Native or white, people who come from families that are not educated, don't really value education. Lack of education leads to poverty which leads to crime. I am not justifying anyones poor choices. Often poor choices ARE what becomes financial insecurity. Nobody is arguing that there are missed opportunities.
Re: RE: Crime stats in Saskatoon
OK, so getting back to my initial question - is Saskatoon a less safe city than the average Canadian city or not?
I really enjoyed reading your sociological debate, but I must confess I'm a bit disappointed by the lack of reaction of the Saskatoonians; as a tourist, your impressions of a city will be necessarily limited; there's a big difference in dynamics when it comes to perceiving an environment as "safe" or "unsafe", depending on your status in that environment - tourist vs. dweller. A tourist might have good days or bad days in X, while an X resident could provide a much more realistic image of what's really going on there.
Liz said:
OK, so getting back to my initial question - is Saskatoon a less safe city than the average Canadian city or not?
I really enjoyed reading your sociological debate, but I must confess I'm a bit disappointed by the lack of reaction of the Saskatoonians; as a tourist, your impressions of a city will be necessarily limited; there's a big difference in dynamics when it comes to perceiving an environment as "safe" or "unsafe", depending on your status in that environment - tourist vs. dweller. A tourist might have good days or bad days in X, while an X resident could provide a much more realistic image of what's really going on there.I have lived in Regina but only visited Saskatoon. I do have a lot of family there though. Many of them lived in both cities. Their opinion is that Saskatoon is safer than Regina, but we agree that we don't feel any fear of physical harm when walking the streets of either town. However, The Club might be a good idea for your car.
Re: RE: Crime stats in Saskatoon
I'm not sure there is internet access in Saskatoon.
bmckie said:Liz said:
OK, so getting back to my initial question - is Saskatoon a less safe city than the average Canadian city or not?
I'm not sure there is internet access in Saskatoon.
this is a laugh
I Live In Calgary,Alberta and have so for the last 9 months and piror to that I lived with my family in saskatoon well the other week sister-in-laws 17yr old daughter got my ex-wife on line and started to beak off to her that my Ex should bring both kids back to Saskatoon when we finally split up and I not only read part of the Conversation but I did some of the typing too and the things this 17yr old girl had to say was and is still in my words a joke.
She tried to tell us that the crime rate here in Calgary is by far alot worse then it is in Saskatoon and if I didn't beleive her then I should look up the Stats for it and I would see that she was right, so I did just thatI went on line over the last couple days and veiwed alot of different sites dealing with crime rates in Canada and to be honest i wasn't shocked at what i had found and that is Saskatoon for only haveing just over 200 thousand people has a hell of alot more crime then Calgary does and here we have over 1 Million people.
So i wanted this LITTLE girl and her Mother to know that I did look this stuff up I emailed them alot of different pages from the net and told them see I guess you were wrong here too.
I know first hand of what the crimes are in Saskatoon as one nite I was walking down Confed Drive to go to the store and about a dozen Kids came out of the back alley and as I passed then I heard one ask the rest "What about him " I just turned around and put it to them " Just try me " and I laughed when the all scattered like the kids they are.
I do agrre that alot of the problem lies in the fact that nowadays both parents have to work to support the family and there is no real guidance given to the kids they are basiclly left to mind themselves and the only support and encouragment they get is from there friends and then that leads the kids into trouble with the law.
I did notice here that it seems one person was trying to lay all the blame on the native Population and to me that is a load of crap as I have met alot of Native people and alot of white people and in both cultures you have good ones and bad ones and I am not meaning only these two Cultures either.
I would really like to see what the percentage of the Crime rate in Canada is of the youth age group and I wouldn't be surprised if almost 75 % was from Youths as since we have gotten the "Young Offenders Act " in the # of crimes committed by Kids has gone through the roof kids have no real woory when they get caught doing a crime all they really get is a slap on the wrist.
I know alot of people might not agree with me but just stop and think when you were young did you go out and comit murder,robberey,car theft back then you knew if thats what you were into you were going to be getting more then a slap on the wrist like kids do now
I Live In Calgary,Alberta and have so for the last 9 months and piror to that I lived with my family in saskatoon well the other week sister-in-laws 17yr old daughter got my ex-wife on line and started to beak off to her that my Ex should bring both kids back to Saskatoon when we finally split up and I not only read part of the Conversation but I did some of the typing too and the things this 17yr old girl had to say was and is still in my words a joke.
She tried to tell us that the crime rate here in Calgary is by far alot worse then it is in Saskatoon and if I didn't beleive her then I should look up the Stats for it and I would see that she was right, so I did just thatI went on line over the last couple days and veiwed alot of different sites dealing with crime rates in Canada and to be honest i wasn't shocked at what i had found and that is Saskatoon for only haveing just over 200 thousand people has a hell of alot more crime then Calgary does and here we have over 1 Million people.
So i wanted this LITTLE girl and her Mother to know that I did look this stuff up I emailed them alot of different pages from the net and told them see I guess you were wrong here too.
I know first hand of what the crimes are in Saskatoon as one nite I was walking down Confed Drive to go to the store and about a dozen Kids came out of the back alley and as I passed then I heard one ask the rest "What about him " I just turned around and put it to them " Just try me " and I laughed when the all scattered like the kids they are.
I do agrre that alot of the problem lies in the fact that nowadays both parents have to work to support the family and there is no real guidance given to the kids they are basiclly left to mind themselves and the only support and encouragment they get is from there friends and then that leads the kids into trouble with the law.
I did notice here that it seems one person was trying to lay all the blame on the native Population and to me that is a load of crap as I have met alot of Native people and alot of white people and in both cultures you have good ones and bad ones and I am not meaning only these two Cultures either.
I would really like to see what the percentage of the Crime rate in Canada is of the youth age group and I wouldn't be surprised if almost 75 % was from Youths as since we have gotten the "Young Offenders Act " in the # of crimes committed by Kids has gone through the roof kids have no real woory when they get caught doing a crime all they really get is a slap on the wrist.
I know alot of people might not agree with me but just stop and think when you were young did you go out and comit murder,robberey,car theft back then you knew if thats what you were into you were going to be getting more then a slap on the wrist like kids do now
Well in my hometown of 1200 there are 18 RCMP officers stationed there. Let me tell you it is not because of the caucasion population that's for sure. There are 4 reserves surrounding the town and that is why there are that many police officers. The crime in our community if phenominal. I was told by one officer that it has the highest crime rate/capita in CANADA. A little old town of 1200 amazing isn't it. if you are worrried about not being safe in Sask. or Edmonton how would you feel if you had to lock your doors in a town this size. Let me tell you it does not give you a very good feeling.
I do not know what is so difficult about figuring this out. This is the situation where I live, not saying this is everywhere. As long as you are supported and never have to worry about where your next pay cheque is coming from, life in fine. All you have to do is get up that day and you know you are being paid to do nothing, to exist. You never have to worry about getting up to go to work or have the daily worries as everyone else. The elder teachings are not helping either. So what happens when you become bored with life, you try to fill that boredom. Unfortunetly, the void is being filled with crime. The sooner natives are cut off of the golden goose the better life will be for them
I do not know what is so difficult about figuring this out. This is the situation where I live, not saying this is everywhere. As long as you are supported and never have to worry about where your next pay cheque is coming from, life in fine. All you have to do is get up that day and you know you are being paid to do nothing, to exist. You never have to worry about getting up to go to work or have the daily worries as everyone else. The elder teachings are not helping either. So what happens when you become bored with life, you try to fill that boredom. Unfortunetly, the void is being filled with crime. The sooner natives are cut off of the golden goose the better life will be for them
what golden goose
Albertabound
what the hell do you mean by the Golden Goose and natives getting off it it doesnt matter what city a person lives in there is going to be crime and you cant lay all that **** at the feet of the natives thats just a scapegoat if you ask me.
Sure alot of crimes are commited by natives but are you going to label each and every one of them for the screwups of a few come on get off your high horse and take a close look at everything.
I left a small town east of Regina and it had 5 Reserves around it and a grand totl of 8 RCMPs and sure there was the odd fight and **** like that but come off it, or is your solution to the crime problem this put all natives in a big feild with lots of whiskey and guns and let them take care of themselves and if that is your idea WAKE THE HELL UP.
Orinized Crime is mostly run by Asain's are we going to blame them for all the drugs and Prositution.
Terrorisim is done by a FEW east Indain and Muslims are we going to label all of them Terriosts
Big BussinessFraud is mainly done by who else white guys are we going to label every guy that is into a Business A scammer ETC.
do your self a favor stop and make sure your brains are loaded before you go shotting your mouth off
Albertabound
what the hell do you mean by the Golden Goose and natives getting off it it doesnt matter what city a person lives in there is going to be crime and you cant lay all that **** at the feet of the natives thats just a scapegoat if you ask me.
Sure alot of crimes are commited by natives but are you going to label each and every one of them for the screwups of a few come on get off your high horse and take a close look at everything.
I left a small town east of Regina and it had 5 Reserves around it and a grand totl of 8 RCMPs and sure there was the odd fight and **** like that but come off it, or is your solution to the crime problem this put all natives in a big feild with lots of whiskey and guns and let them take care of themselves and if that is your idea WAKE THE HELL UP.
Orinized Crime is mostly run by Asain's are we going to blame them for all the drugs and Prositution.
Terrorisim is done by a FEW east Indain and Muslims are we going to label all of them Terriosts
Big BussinessFraud is mainly done by who else white guys are we going to label every guy that is into a Business A scammer ETC.
do your self a favor stop and make sure your brains are loaded before you go shotting your mouth off
No of course Iam not saying that all crime is committed by natives but in my hometown 95% of it is. All you have to do is go down to the local courthouse to find that out. I am also saying that the crime rate being so high in Regina and Saskatoon is DEFINITELY associated with the high population in natives. Ask any officer there and he will tell you that.
As far as the golden goose goes, sorry but if I was paid to exist I would definitely call it a golden goose. At no point did I label each and every one of them, I have native friends, all however work and have a stable lifes. I am not friends with any of them that just hang out at the post office all morning just to get there cheque and later that afternoon see them passed out all over the town. Which in my town once again is 85 to 90% of the native population.
My answer to the crime problem is to get them off the hand out list and to get them educated and a part of society, which by the way they have more of an opportunity to do so than any other white person will ever have. You would have figured this out if you read my post closely, appearantly you never.
Buddy I am not on any high horse I am however sick and tired of seeing the same thing day in and day out, especially when one knows it is preventable, and that is the point of my whole post, and as far as you trying to think for me and tell people what I may or may not be thinking, keep those thoughts to yourself. Where did you ever come up with the field thing, or is that something in the back of YOUR mind eating away at yourself.
If you don't have any respect for yourself, how can anyone else have respect for you
As far as the golden goose goes, sorry but if I was paid to exist I would definitely call it a golden goose. At no point did I label each and every one of them, I have native friends, all however work and have a stable lifes. I am not friends with any of them that just hang out at the post office all morning just to get there cheque and later that afternoon see them passed out all over the town. Which in my town once again is 85 to 90% of the native population.
My answer to the crime problem is to get them off the hand out list and to get them educated and a part of society, which by the way they have more of an opportunity to do so than any other white person will ever have. You would have figured this out if you read my post closely, appearantly you never.
Buddy I am not on any high horse I am however sick and tired of seeing the same thing day in and day out, especially when one knows it is preventable, and that is the point of my whole post, and as far as you trying to think for me and tell people what I may or may not be thinking, keep those thoughts to yourself. Where did you ever come up with the field thing, or is that something in the back of YOUR mind eating away at yourself.
If you don't have any respect for yourself, how can anyone else have respect for you
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