COVID-19 'Pandemic'

Ocean Breeze

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How is that a better idea than earning yourself $10 million?
The virus does not care ab out money. It does not care about stats...........it only creates them. It is one thing to try and minimize the situation to reassure oneself...........it is quite another when reality is different.

The important thing is what are YOU ........and others ) doing to prevent contact or are folks just ignoring the rules and suggestions?? ........like the silly teenagers in Florida?? They don't care if they get the virus...........and thus by extension don't care who they infect along the way.

We collectively must participate as a community in following the rules to prevent what is happening in Italy.
 
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Mowich

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John Ivison: Trudeau navigating between two monster problems – COVID-19 and Canada's economy

At some point Trudeau has to decide when to attempt to return to some kind of normalcy to ensure Canada doesn’t spiral into economic paralysis

In Homer’s Odyssey, the hero Odysseus was forced to sail through a narrow strait guarded on one side by the sea monster, Scylla, and on the other by her counterpart, Charybdis.

He successfully navigated the strait but lost six sailors who were devoured alive by Scylla.

The grisly old Greek myth came to mind when examining the perilous passage through which the government is trying to steer in response to COVID-19.

Justin Trudeau may not be braving sea monsters but his options are equally unpalatable. He said on Thursday that the extraordinary measures to contain the virus could be in place for weeks or months.

Nobody is questioning the government’s call for people to stay home and cancel everything – at least in the short-run.

But Trudeau’s policy nightmare is that at some point he has to make the call on when to attempt to return to some kind of normalcy to ensure Canada doesn’t spiral into economic paralysis.

The threat of mass unemployment is very real, as an exchange with Charles Fallon, president of Montreal-based supply chain management consulting firm LIDD, made clear.

Fallon said he supports the current two-week shutdown and that his staff of 55 engineering consultants are working from home.

But he said a six-week shutdown could see half of his staff being laid off – in a best case scenario. “This holds true not just for me but for every business in the tertiary sector of the economy,” he said.

The government has offered to pay 10 per cent of income costs for eligible small businesses, a measure Fallon said is “laughably inadequate” for a shutdown any longer than two to three weeks.

“As more evidence of the true risks of this virus becomes clear to the population, the more we will question whether we have the right balance between short-term health and long-term health,” he said.

That is a debate our society is going to need to have. The case for social distancing is that it slows down how quickly the virus spreads, giving healthcare systems the time to respond.

The reason that Trudeau is being vague on timing is that the most recent modelling suggests it may take more than six months of restrictions to cut the epidemic peak in half. A University of Toronto study suggested that four weeks of intensive social distancing won’t be enough to stop the sharp rise in cases that would overwhelm intensive care units. The study suggested that, with no intervention, there would be 20 times the number of patients requiring intensive care than there are beds.

The projections are chilling. If half the population is infected – a realistic prospect – and two per cent succumb, that means 375,000 Canadians could die of this disease.

There are around 280,000 deaths in this country in any given year, and there would be significant overlap. But that’s still an unacceptable number of lives cut short.

Millennials might dismiss COVID as an older person’s problem. But there are growing signs that young adults are vulnerable too. The Public Health Agency website says nearly 70 per cent of the 770 cases in Canada are under 60 years of age. The U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention says 38 per cent of those hospitalized were younger than 55. Can any government be seen to be prioritizing jobs over the lives of its citizens?

Yet, if self-isolation slows the disease, it does not stop it. All the research suggests that the same number of people become infected, regardless of social distancing.

There are high hopes that the virus retreats in warmer weather, as is the case with flu. Is continued quarantine going to be justified if the economic damage is ruinous?

Trudeau’s Homeric challenge is to pilot successfully between the Scylla of mass business failures and the Charybdis of falling COVID survival rates.

leaderpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-trudeau-navigating-between-two-monster-problems-covid-19-and-canadas-economy/wcm/e4ba1b6b-3964-4dea-86ff-5372ba07e9ef/
 

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the next couple of weeks will determine how bad its going to get in Canada.

Hopefully we can all do the right thing and stay home and stay safe
 

Mowich

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The virus does not care ab out money. It does not care about stats...........it only creates them. It is one thing to try and minimize the situation to reassure oneself...........it is quite another when reality is different.

The important thing is what are YOU ........and others ) doing to prevent contact or are folks just ignoring the rules and suggestions?? ........like the silly teenagers in Florida?? They don't care if they get the virus...........and thus by extension don't care who they infect along the way.

We collectively must participate as a community in following the rules to prevent what is happening in Italy.
Just watching BC1 news and Florida is not the only place seeing thoughtless young people gathering in large groups and laughing about self-isolation when a reporter interviews them. This when another 77 cases were diagnosed in BC today.
 

petros

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They are screwed anyway. Let them enjoy being young for 1 more weekend.

They all grow up within the next 2 weeks.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Straight to the furnace with no service and no family.
It is best in a situation like that. Harsh as it sounds. The family can and will have their own memorials when more clarity and calm returns.
 

Walter

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You use to defend those that wore blackface. Remember the fellas at a legion? Shall I dig it up for you?
Bullshit. I never defended a Liberal pol wearing black face.
 

JLM

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Just watching BC1 news and Florida is not the only place seeing thoughtless young people gathering in large groups and laughing about self-isolation when a reporter interviews them. This when another 77 cases were diagnosed in BC today.


Yeah, it's certainly nothing to fool around with. The precautions are really not that hard to comply with - stay 3' away, cover your face and wash your hands when you get home. Basically what you should do with any cold or flu!
 

Ocean Breeze

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Yeah, it's certainly nothing to fool around with. The precautions are really not that hard to comply with - stay 3' away, cover your face and wash your hands when you get home. Basically what you should do with any cold or flu!
wash hands often.-thoroughly....including nails Don't touch your face .Stay home except for grocery runs ....practice social distancing.

socialize via Video chat ;-) Or on a forum like this ;-)
 

petros

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The following measures are effective immediately:

Public gatherings of over 25 people in one room are prohibited except where two-metre distancing between people can be maintained; workplace and meeting settings where people are distributed into multiple rooms or buildings; and retail locations;
Nightclubs, bars, lounges and similar facilities must close. The takeout of alcohol or food products is permitted with two-metre distancing between customers and the delivery of alcohol or food products;
In-person classes in all primary and secondary educational institutions both public and private are suspended;
Visitors to long-term care homes, hospitals, personal care homes, and group homes shall be restricted to family visiting for compassionate reasons.
The following measures are effective March 23:

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The closure of restaurants, food courts, cafeterias, cafes, bistros and similar facilities. Exceptions are takeout with two-metre distancing between customers during pick-up; drive-through food services; delivery of food products; soup kitchens, not-for-profit community and religious kitchens with two-metre distancing between tables;
The closure of all recreational and entertainment facilities including fitness centres, casinos, bingo halls, arenas, curling rinks, swimming pools, galleries, theatres, museums and similar facilities;
The closure of all personal service facilities including tattooists, hairdressers, barbers, acupuncturists, acupressurists, cosmetologists, electrologists, estheticians, manicurists, pedicurists, suntanning parlours, relaxation masseuses, facilities in which body piercing, bone grafting or scarification services;
The closure of dental, optometrist, chiropractic, registered massage therapy and podiatry clinics except for non-elective procedures;
All daycare facilities are limited to a maximum of eight children unless they can configure the facility so that a maximum of eight children are kept in room and be in accordance with the Saskatchewan child care guidelines for care; and
All daycares that are co-located with long-term care or personal care home that meet the above restriction shall be segregated with a private entrance so that there are no shared common areas with the home and no interaction between daycare children and residents of the facility