To IMPEACH ????
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It started when the orange-utan opened his yap about investigating Biden and was virtually over when Turtlehead opened his yap about already having decided to excuse the orang-utan.
It started when the orange-utan opened his yap about investigating Biden and was virtually over when Turtlehead opened his yap about already having decided to excuse the orang-utan.
So, blow jobs and treason (asking a foreign country to get dirt on your political opponent) should be treated by the same protocol? You are one deranged Trumpkin.
Not treason, which is defined in the Constitution as ONLY levying war upon the United States or giving its enemies aid and comfort.
The term you're searching for is "bribery." I've explained this and cited the relevant U.S. Code section a couple of times. It's 18 USC 201(b).
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Happy to help.
We can throw on "obstruction of justice" and "obstruction of Congress." But the "abuse of power" charge is crap. "Abuse of power" isn't a fact, it's an opinion.
even if there is observably factual evidence of abusing power?? Abuse of power is an action... that can be specifically described.
abuse of power example is not going through proper channels before executing a major military event. ..........or should be.
The hard part is defining and applying "abuse."
Is it OK for a president to extort another country? Absolutely. But not for his own benefit. But when his opponent really did engage in some actually corrupt (though legal) activity, to what extent is it legitimate law enforcement, and to what extent is it corrupt extortion?
Remember, you're trying to convince a hostile "jury" that will give all benefit of the doubt to Donny Dodger. The less room you give for interpretation, the better.
You have to wonder if most folks aren't starting to get tired of all the nit picking of Trump! No one is perfect!
Is it though?
The Ukrainian incident appears to be an impeachable abuse of power
In his dealings with Ukraine, Mr. Trump may have misused at least three baskets of executive authority: supervision of domestic law enforcement and national security agencies, the commander-in-chief power, and the conduct of foreign policy.
Whatever may be true in autocracies like Vladimir Putin’s Russia, in the United States, an elected official with authority over criminal investigative and prosecutorial agencies may not command those agencies to investigate his political rivals in order to gain an electoral advantage. The second article of impeachment approved by the House Judiciary Committee against Richard Nixon alleged exactly this kind of abuse of power. Nixon used or attempted to use the IRS, the Secret Service, the CIA, the FBI, and his own secret team of White House operatives to get political intelligence on the Democrats generally and dirt on individual “enemies.” When these misdeeds started to leak, Nixon used the powers of his office in an effort to suppress them. In sum, Nixon abused his authority over domestic law enforcement and the national security apparatus to damage political opponents.
The Ukraine transcript suggests that Trump may have done the same by requesting or commanding Attorney General Barr to use the Justice Department to investigate what are, so far as is publicly known, wholly unsubstantiated allegations against Joe Biden and his son. This point requires further investigation inasmuch as we don’t yet know whether Trump contacted Barr, and if so what Barr did about it.
What cannot be denied, however, is that Trump misused his constitutionally conferred authority to conduct foreign relations and his commander-in-chief power over military matters. To understand the magnitude of the abuse requires placing his behavior in geopolitical context.
Ukraine, which shares a long land and sea border with Russia, gained its independence upon the collapse of the Soviet Union. President Putin, and many other Russians, view the disintegration of the Soviet Union as a tragedy. Putin is passionate to reverse it, at least to the extent of restoring Russian control over Ukraine and other states on the Russian frontier. To that end, Russia has purported to annex Ukrainian territory in the Crimea, in violation of the bedrock rules of the UN Charter that underpin our global order, and is currently engaged in intermittent military operations in the eastern portion of Ukraine where it supports a military separatist movement. In short, Ukraine is under a direct, urgent, and continuing threat of being swallowed by an expansionist Russia. The Russian threat is not merely to Ukraine, but to the overall peace and security of Europe, a matter of sufficient importance that the United States entered two world wars to preserve it.
Ukraine maintains its precarious independence only by virtue of political, military, and economic support provided by the United States and the European Union. American support has included over $1 billion in congressionally authorized defense related aid during the past five years, various forms of intelligence cooperation, and maintaining economic and diplomatic pressure on Russia through sanctions and other means.
In short, legislative and executive branches of the United States have adopted a policy – supported by legal, moral, and geopolitical considerations — of supporting Ukraine’s independence from Russia. The available evidence seems to demonstrate that Mr. Trump conditioned continuance of American support for Ukraine on making the relationship, in his word, “reciprocal.”
As the public has now seen in a transcript of President Trump’s July 25 call with Ukraine’s newly-inaugurated President Zelensky, the reciprocal “favor” Trump demanded was that Ukraine investigate a debunked fringe theory that Ukraine, not Russia, meddled in the 2016 election, and that it investigate Joe Biden, the leading Democratic candidate to oppose Trump in the 2020 election. In short, Trump used two of his core presidential powers, and indeed leveraged the vast geopolitical might of the United States, to extort a country threatened with national extinction for the singular purpose of helping him win re-election.
Mr. Trump and his defenders are busily offering rationalizations for his behavior, most centering on the claim that it is legitimate to employ American power to encourage other countries to root out “corruption,” or to assist American authorities in investigating crimes subject to American jurisdiction. One can admit the principle without conceding that it has any application in the present case.
The contention that Mr. Trump was concerned to any degree about promoting the rule of law in Ukraine is risible. As is the suggestion that his contact with President Zelensky had anything to do with a legitimate U.S. law enforcement effort. The most obvious tell on both points is Rudy Giuliani. A president fighting American crime or foreign corruption doesn’t send his private lawyer abroad to get dirt on political opponents.
In short, the president used the powers of the presidency illegitimately to serve his private interests. The proffered rationale for his conduct is transparently pretextual. Worst of all, Trump’s pursuit of his private interests was directly contrary to long-established, congressionally ratified American foreign policy objectives and, indeed, endangered the security architecture of western and central Europe.
The norms and immemorial understandings of American constitutionalism make clear that a president may not use the power of his office to request, induce, inveigle, coerce, or extort another country into doing things primarily to benefit the president’s electoral hopes. A president who does so is impeachable on that ground.
The above was taken from this article, it's an interesting read:
https://www.justsecurity.org/66407/trumps-extortion-of-ukraine-is-an-impeachable-abuse-of-power/
What is fascinating is how the law can be interpreted and manipulated. Psychology plays a big part in the maneuverings. What is also fascinating is ho much Donny is allowed to get away with. If he were a Democrat......it would be an entirely different story.......and he would have been ousted longtime ago.
It is very troubling to see how the two parties are held to a different standard.
It fascinates me as well how much Trump is allowed to get away with. He consistently lies on a daily basis about his rivals, political or otherwise. His language towards others is never under scrutiny by any member of his party save for a few. He attacks people who are no longer here (Sen. McCain) and horrifies the widows of other rivals (Congresswoman Debbie Dingle) of others. He lies about policy, the economy, conversations he has had and history. Hell the man even lies about wind, flushing toilets and the frikken weather! There is NOTHING this man will not do look like he's the smartest man in the room.
And what's troubling is that his base feeds on his energy like a mob. I often watch his "hate rallys" that he has on the reg (which rumor has it his staff often schedule to get him out of the WH to keep him occupied, this according to the book Anonymous) and see the energy that builds in the room, not in a good way. I have never seen an America as divided as I see it today.
very well articulated. Bravo.
He is not fit for the job. Agree on your term of "hate rally" as that is what it is. You are right about his negative energy influencing and reinforcing his mob like groupies. Wonder if his mob would drink poisoned Koolaide to show their reverence to him. He is dangerous.....and yet the rep party PROTECTS him with a fanaticism seen only in cults.
You know...technically it is trump's fault that the passenger plane was shot down. It was a human error....according to Iran....... done during the strikes on US elements in Iraq.......and the plane was an unintended consequence.
It is a chain effect.......that was triggered by the assassination via Trump.
Weird, I just mentioned to the wife in the past day or so that sooner or later Trump was going to get the blame for that plane being shot down. Why can't people get it through their heads that the fault for that plane going down lies solely with the person who shot it down? Will he ever get convicted and sentenced?
Trump is fully responsible for escalating tensions in Iran and Iraq. His knee jerk reaction to rumour and having the Iranian general assassinated is all on his shoulders. He is a dangerous moron with too much power.