Why are we allowing ourselves to be held to ransom by has-been Irish militants?

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Derry’s recent car bomb underscores a curious omission in all the Brexit argy-bargy about a ‘hard border’. Throughout, neither May, nor Barnier, nor even Varadkar ever utters the letters I, R and A. Yet the scummy residue of this vanquished potato blight lies at the heart of the hysteria about hypothetical border infrastructure that could present a ‘target’. Decorously, no one ever says target for whom.

Why are we allowing ourselves to be held to ransom by has-been Irish militants?

Lionel Shriver


Forensic officers inspect the remains of the car bomb outside Derry Court House (Photo: Getty)

2 February 2019
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When politics goes round in circles, the columnist inevitably revisits issues that would have been sorted if only everyone read The Spectator. So: back to the Irish border — a demarcation that takes up no geographical space, but has still mysteriously dominated a dozen years of my life. Oh, well. What’s one more afternoon, then?

Derry’s recent car bomb underscores a curious omission in all the Brexit argy-bargy about a ‘hard border’. Throughout, neither May, nor Barnier, nor even Varadkar ever utters the letters I, R and A. Yet the scummy residue of this vanquished potato blight lies at the heart of the hysteria about hypothetical border infrastructure that could present a ‘target’. Decorously, no one ever says target for whom.

Today’s vestigial Republican militants comprise drug dealers, petty criminals, Provisional lifers miffed that a career in terrorism doesn’t pay a pension, and wannabe hikikomori holed up in bedrooms over spittle-flecked computers. The folks for whom the jeer ‘Get a Life!’ might have been specifically coined, members of the New IRA — aka the Real IRA, the Not Those Guys, the Other Guys IRA or the Truly, No Foolin’, This Time We Mean It IRA — persist in sufficiently low numbers as to be downgraded to a mental health problem. The holdouts might best be exiled to some Butlins-style holiday camp on an island where long-lived Samurais are still fighting the second world war. For the fifth-largest economy in the world to design its whole trade policy around the appeasement of this delusional riffraff beggars belief.

Yet, executing a dizzying 180 meant to strike horror in the British heart, the chief spin doctor for Jean-Claude Juncker announced last week that, with no deal, the EU would indeed insist on an Irish border with infrastructure. (I say: go ahead. Make my day.) Echoing the threat, and again playing to his domestic audience as the David who will slay the Goliath of 17.4 million impudent British voters, Leo Varadkar also threatened that a hard border would entail ‘an army presence’ — only for his government spokesman to hastily clarify that the Taoi-seach didn’t mean the Irish army. Sorry, then which army did he mean? The EU doesn’t have one.

Now, stirring fear of those spotty kids and their throwback dads does ask for trouble. We can’t say that if protracted Irish and EU woe-mucking over the border is directly responsible for Derry’s car bomb and subsequent hoaxes, but it’s sure made ructions more likely. Far more than attaining any political goal, what IRA types have always craved is attention. Inviting the very violence he feigns to prevent, Juncker is using the North’s lost boys still playing with matches to blackmail parliament into backing May’s miserable withdrawal deal. When you use terrorists to advance your own purposes — as many a party in Northern Ireland did for decades — are you not also, in your way, a terrorist yourself?

Of course, Varadkar’s concern for peace is disingenuous. He’s worried all right, but about Irish farmers and the prospect of swingeing British tariffs on half their beef and dairy exports. As for EU apparatchiks, their hard-border bluster is a bluff. They don’t care about peace, about Ulster or even about the South, whose agricultural anxiety they merely find expedient.

They don’t care about the Good Friday Agreement or they’d never have proposed a de facto border down the Irish Sea — which would also violate the Agreement. With no deal, chances are that they wouldn’t bully the Irish into stationing so much as a lollipop man in Dundalk. The threat is useful; the reality wouldn’t be.

Theresa May’s long-time acceptance of the EU’s nefarious paradigm — Irish–border-as-insoluble-conundrum — profoundly disadvantages the British position. It’s difficult to backtrack and say, ‘Hold on, I just realised I don’t buy your whole pre-mise.’ Nevertheless, if Eurocrats really cared about Irish farmers, they’d chuck the backstop, in the confidence that if they negotiate in a spirit of fairness, collegiality and compromise (uh-huh — and what are the chances of that?), they can readily negotiate a free trade deal during the transition period, and all that fake hand-wringing about the border will be yesterday’s news.

Instead, the EU’s plan seems to be: 1) Remain implacable. Let May browbeat MPs into voting for her Horlicks of a withdrawal bill with the menace of no deal. Snatch the money, stall, trap the UK into its black-hole backstop, and then there’s all to play for — with any urgency removed. I picture sadistic kidnappers toying with their hostage, who’s stuck in a pit and wailing for water. 2) Alternatively, relent on a backstop exit mechanism or time limit at the 11th hour, and exchange an utterly worthless concession — a solution in search of a problem — for capitulation of real value, like… a permanent customs union! Even better. Either way, already fleeced and left with zero leverage, in trade-deal negotiations the UK will be helpless and the EU can hold out for the fish, unfettered immigration, stacks more money preferably in perpetuity and, what the hell, why not insist on shared sovereignty for Gibraltar while they’re at it? It’ll be like Christmas year-round. 3) The real backstop: let the Brits register what hugely worse circumstances they’ve sunk themselves in compared to full EU membership, and watch them bin Brexit cold. Win-win-win! It’s a good plan. It’s a great plan.

Yet for Irish nationalists, Brexit presents a historic opportunity for bringing about a united Ireland, which starts looking attractive even to Remainer Protestants. Any Brexit-related inconvenience and economic sacrifice could make the best argument for the island’s unification that nationalists will ever get. Rather than making the ‘six counties’ unpalatable to the South with their anachronistic car bombs, Republican dissidents should be rooting for the hardest Brexit imaginable.

For my part, I’ve always backed Ulster Unionism as a democrat. I loved my 12 years in Belfast and treasure Northern Ireland as a member of the United Kingdom. But watching the statelet mercilessly deployed to subjugate and humiliate the UK, I’m sliding to Irish nationalism myself.

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I'm going to go with "because you're stupid and weak."

Well our politicians our stupid and cowardly. But if civil war erupts again in Northern Ireland it'll be the fault of the Irish and the EU, not the British or Brexit.
 

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My, how the Irish have changed.

Current events show that it's not hard to make a Quisling out of a Paddy.

Just been reading posts on an Irish discussion forum and they are all getting absolutely gooey and goggle-eyed and excited about a new EU-wide holiday to be held every 9th May.

Not that long ago many of them willingly underwent extreme torture at the hands of the Black & Tans in their fight for their country's sovereignty. Now - nearly 50 years after meekly handing that hard-fought for sovereignty over to Brussels - they are willing to hoist the blue and gold flag over the tricolour if it means having another day off work.

It's pathetic, really. The British are really putting them to shame.
 

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But of course. Nothing is ever the fault of the British.
You Americans are just as f*cked. Seems a lot of you also have a problem with Brexit. Which is confusing when put it into context with your last election. So let's see, ALT-left Americans support the side that got the fewest votes for Brexit, yet they shit themselves for months over the fact that Hillary won the popular vote but still lost the election. Kind'a like all those Democrats and their supporters with walls, fences and gates around their properties bitching about a wall along the Mexico border. Not sure if it's sad, funny, or hilariously pathetic. Actually, I think absurd pretty much covers it.
 

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You Americans are just as f*cked. Seems a lot of you also have a problem with Brexit. Which is confusing when put it into context with your last election. So let's see, ALT-left Americans support the side that got the fewest votes for Brexit, yet they shit themselves for months over the fact that Hillary won the popular vote but still lost the election. Kind'a like all those Democrats and their supporters with walls, fences and gates around their properties bitching about a wall along the Mexico border. Not sure if it's sad, funny, or hilariously pathetic. Actually, I think absurd pretty much covers it.
For my part, I support Brexit. The harder the better.

As I explained to Blackshirt, he and I oddly agree that we both want Brexit. He because he thinks it would be good for Britain, and I because I think it would be bad for Britain, a country that in my opinion cannot have enough ill fortune and bad cess visited upon it.

But either way, we both favor a hard Brexit. The difference is that whilst Blackshirt is OUTRAGED at the squirming and fussing of Parliament, I am vastly amused by it. I think it very clearly shows the Brits for what they are as a people.
 

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For my part, I support Brexit. The harder the better.
As I explained to Blackshirt, he and I oddly agree that we both want Brexit. He because he thinks it would be good for Britain, and I because I think it would be bad for Britain, a country that in my opinion cannot have enough ill fortune and bad cess visited upon it.
Really now. And why is that? And fer cryin' out loud, please do not tell me because of the British Empire.
 

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DANIEL HANNAN EU’s backstop stance on the Irish border is ridiculous – no one wants this Brexit barrier

The EU will rather see all sides suffer than watch a post-Brexit Britain succeed and find an outcome that works

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By Daniel Hannan, Conservative MEP for South East England
30th January 2019
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IT should be a no-brainer. Is the EU really going to give up on an orderly Brexit for the sake of a backstop Dublin, London and Brussels all insist they don’t want or expect to come into force anyway?

Will Eurocrats cause needless disruption just to make a point? Would they rather see all sides suffer than watch a post-EU Britain succeed?

Michel Barnier said the EU stands by the agreement they have already negotiated If so, what would it say about the organisation we are leaving?

Let’s take a moment to recap.

Immediately after the referendum, EU officials declared they would not talk to Britain about a long-term relationship until we first agreed withdrawal terms, including a “divorce payment”, rights for EU citizens and the Irish border.

Britain foolishly agreed. It was particularly silly to discuss Ireland before the main trade talks, since the obvious way to prevent a hard border on the island is through a deep and comprehensive trade agreement between the UK and the EU as a whole.

It was particularly silly to discuss Ireland before the main trade talks

That, though, would have given Ireland a strong incentive to get the best possible terms for the UK, and for itself.

So instead, at the end of 2017, the EU suddenly came up with the idea of an “Irish backstop”.

It wanted Britain to promise that, unless it came up with a long-term trading relationship that satisfied Brussels, it would stay in the customs union and leave Northern Ireland under EU regulations.

Stupidly, British negotiators accepted the backstop. Wisely, our MPs did not.

Stupidly, British negotiators accepted the EU's backstop

The backstop would mean Brussels continued to control Britain’s trade deals with non-European countries after we left.

It would mean placing part of our country under permanent EU jurisdiction.

MPs threw the deal out. Then something sensible happened.

Leavers and Remainers began to talk directly to each other and hammered out a deal that both sides could live with.

Leavers and Remainers have began to talk directly to each other and hammered out a deal that both sides could live with

There were lots of aspects of the withdrawal agreement that Eurosceptics resented.

They didn’t like being non- voting members for another 21 months.

They didn’t like Euro judges continuing to rule here even after we had left.

They didn’t like forking out more than 39billion quid in exchange for the better part of bugger all.

Remainers and Leavers both didn’t like Euro judges continuing to rule here even after we had left

But they were ready to make *compromises. If the Irish backstop were removed, they’d swallow the rest of the withdrawal terms.

On Tuesday, the House of Commons adopted this position. The EU responded with a theatrical snort of indignation.

“We stand by the agreement that we have negotiated,” said Michel Barnier, the European Commission’s negotiator.

“The withdrawal agreement is not *renegotiable,” said Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission.

After the Commons vote on Tuesday, the EU responded with a theatrical snort of indignation

But hang on. Juncker is simultaneously telling us that if we alter our red lines — by, for example, agreeing to a permanent customs union — then the agreement could indeed be reopened.

So there is plainly no technical or legal reason why the backstop could not be removed or at least time-limited.

Nor, by the way, is anyone still pretending that, without the backstop, there will be checkpoints in Londonderry and Crossmaglen.

The Irish government has confirmed that, if there is no deal, it will not place any infrastructure at the border.


Juncker is simultaneously telling us that if we alter our red lines then the agreement could indeed be reopened

The British Government has been saying the same all along.

Barnier says there would be ways to carry out necessary checks away from the frontier.

In other words, the whole row is about a border that no one is going to build anyway.

It’s surreal. There is plainly no way the House of Commons is going to accept the backstop.

The whole row is about a border that no one is going to build anyway

It also became clear on Tuesday there is no majority for a second referendum, because the last thing Jeremy Corbyn wants is to have to come down on one side or the other.

That leaves only two options. Either the backstop is dropped but everything else is agreed, or the backstop is lost and so is everything else.

From the EU’s point of view, it must surely be preferable to agree the bulk of the Withdrawal Agreement, including reciprocal citizens’ rights and the £39billion payment, while finding an alternative way to guarantee the Irish border stays open.

From Dublin’s point of view, the logic is even stronger.

The last thing Jeremy Corbyn wants is to have to come down on one side or the other

Insisting on the backstop risks, if not a hard border, certainly more dislocation between the Republic of Ireland and the UK — the very thing the backstop is supposed to prevent.

The EU has calculated the cost will be worse for Britain than for *Continental states, since cross-Channel trade is proportionately more important for us.

But, by that measure, it is more important still for Ireland.

In private, some Continental politicians are pushing for a pragmatic outcome — one that minimises disruption and preserves the long-term alliance between the UK and its neighbours.

The EU has calculated the cost will be worse for Britain than for Continental states, since cross-Channel trade is proportionately more important for us

You especially hear these arguments in countries that trade heavily with Britain, such as Denmark and the Netherlands.

You also hear them from governments that want to ensure the rights of their citizens in Britain are guaranteed.

But for Eurocrats, in particular the anti-British Martin Selmayr who has seized control of negotiations, this isn’t about finding an outcome that works.

If it were, the EU could have signed a continuity deal with Britain easily.

The truth is many Euro-fanatics are happy to inflict pain on the EU 27 provided they inflict even more on us.

If their view prevails over that of the pragmatists, then Britain has no option but to leave without an agreement. It is never sensible to give into blackmail.

If the choice is between No Deal and surrendering part of our country, we will choose No Deal.

The only surprise is that anyone in Brussels is surprised.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...s-recreate-ancient-British-peoples-faces.html