Socialism Destroying South America

[Walter]

Brazil's far-right presidential candidate survives life-saving surgery after being stabbed by 'socialist'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ate-survives-life-saving-surgery-stabbed.html

Progs love violence.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Canada at odds with Latin American allies over intervention in Venezuela

Canada broke ranks this week with the majority of a group of American nations it helped to create to deal with the spiraling crisis in Venezuela.
And although Canada's refusal to sign a joint statement of the Lima Group — a statement that commits members to opposing military intervention in Venezuela — does not portend a sudden shift in Canadian policy, it is part of the first significant split among the group's 14 members over how far they might go to restore democratic government to the impoverished nation.
The dispute began Friday when Luis Almagro, the Uruguayan secretary-general of the Organization of American States, visited the city of Cucuta on Colombia's border with Venezuela.
The city has become one of the main crossing points for hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans fleeing hunger and chaos at home.
In a news conference on the Simon Bolivar international bridge, with Colombia's new foreign minister Carlos Holmes Trujillo García at his side, Almagro said that "with regards to military intervention to overthrow the regime of Nicolas Maduro, I believe we mustn't rule out any option."
Almagro accused Venezuela's ruling United Socialist Party of using "misery, hunger and lack of medicine as repressive instruments to impose its political will on the people," and said the region had never seen "a government so immoral as to refuse to accept humanitarian aid when it's in the middle of a humanitarian crisis."

No to armed intervention

Almagro's statements were too belligerent for many of the countries of the Lima Group, which counts as members Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay, Peru and Saint Lucia.
(The United States, Uruguay, Barbados, Grenada and Jamaica are observer nations, and the group is also supported by the OAS and the European Union.)
Peru called for all members to back a motion repudiating "any type of action or declaration that implies military intervention or … threats or the use of violence."
But after intense negotiations, only 11 of the 14 member states could agree to put their names on that statement.
The holdouts were Canada and Venezuela's neighbours to its west and east, Colombia and Guyana.
Although Global Affairs Canada has published on its website previous joint statements from the Lima Group that it has supported, Canada did not publicize its decision to refuse to endorse the statement opposing intervention.
The refusal to sign seemed to signal a hardening of Canada's position on Venezuela, but government sources tell CBC News that Canada's refusal was motivated by procedural concerns over the way the statement came together, and the Trudeau government is not endorsing any call for military intervention against the government in Caracas.
Rather, Canadian officials felt the motion, originally introduced by Peru, was rushed and did not go through proper channels.
Still, the dispute over Almagro's controversial call to arms marks the first deep public split in the Lima Group, which Canada was instrumental in setting up and which continues to be the Trudeau government's main vehicle for diplomacy on Venezuela.

War talk gets louder

While Canadian officials sought to qualify their position on intervention, Colombia's new president Ivan Duque appears to have moved closer to the idea of using force against the Venezuelan government — an idea he rejected earlier this summer.
On Monday, Colombia accused Venezuelan forces of making an armed incursion into Colombia and abducting three Colombian citizens from an Amazonian island called Maipures 3 in the Orinoco river. The Maduro government responded by saying the island, which it calls Mantequero, belongs to Venezuela (although it has been under Colombian control since 1931).
It was the latest incursion alleged by Colombia in a rapidly escalating war of words, raising the prospect that border incidents could flare into something more serious.

The Trump administration has openly entertained the possibility of armed action since August 2017, when President Donald Trump said "Venezuela is not very far away, and the people are suffering, and they're dying. We have many options for Venezuela, including a possible military option, if necessary."
Earlier this month, the New York Times reported that White House officials had met with mutinous Venezuelan officers who were plotting Maduro's overthrow. Many of those officers have since been arrested, the Times reported.

Canada 'uncivilized, obsessive, hostile'

The Trudeau government has been far more circumspect. Government sources say Canada was keen to create the Lima Group without Washington's participation because it shows pan-American unity on the restoration of democracy in Venezuela, yet can't be easily dismissed by Caracas as a puppet of the United States.
Just today, Canadian officials told CBC Ottawa might well sign a statement of non-intervention if it were presented differently than the one issued this weekend.
But Venezuela increasingly has come to see Canada as an enemy regardless.
In December, it declared Canadian diplomat Craig Kowalik persona non grata for "constant interference in Venezuela's internal affairs."
At the same time, Venezuela's foreign ministry denounced "a new threat against its peace and soveriegnty by the two principal military powers in the hemisphere, the USA and Canada." The Venezuelan communiqué cited a meeting in Ottawa last December 19 where U.S. and Canadian officials ostensibly discussed intervention plans.
Throughout the summer of 2018, after Canada banned the Venezuelan embassy from collecting ballots on Canadian soil for what Ottawa considered a sham election, Venezuela's foreign minister Jorge Arreaza launched a series of statements accusing the Trudeau government of "uncivilized, hostile, obsessive behaviour" toward his country.
"It's evident that the obsessive conduct of the government of Canada against Venezuela," said one statement, "derives from the humiliating subordination of its foreign policy to the racist and supremacist administration of Donald Trump. The facts show that this servile policy of Canadian authorities is the product of the desperation of this government to avoid losing benefits and preferences in its trade agreements with the U.S."
Other Venezuelan statements accused "pro-imperialist Canada" of "a laughable superiority complex" toward the South American nation.

Breathing space for Maduro

The splits among American nations over Venezuela were already clearly on view at the Summit of the Americas this past April in Lima. Maduro stayed away after the Peruvian government made it clear he wasn't welcome, but Venezuela was very much the centre of attention, with nearly every other leader referring to the crisis in the country.
On one side, the countries of the Lima Group and the U.S. denounced the Venezuelan regime and warned they would not respect the results of its upcoming elections. Meanwhile, a smaller group of countries — Bolivia, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Cuba and some Caribbean island nations — denounced Maduro's exclusion.
But the latest split between members of the Lima Group suggests that even those countries that agree Maduro has to go are split on how to make that happen.
Those signs of disunity will be welcome news to a regime that appears to be drowning in its economic crisis. But any relief the Maduro government might feel will be tempered by the fact that neighbouring Colombia, with its powerful military, refused to sign the statement against intervention.

Forget NATO or the UN Canada may have to go to war against Venezuela with LIMA with no US backing WHAAAAAAAT?

 

[Twin_Moose]

First step before military intervention

Canada joins multilateral move to send Venezuelan government to International Criminal Court

Canada will join five South American nations in signing a formal request for the International Criminal Court to investigate the Venezuelan government of Nicolas Maduro.
It marks the first time Canada has tried to take another country before the ICC in its 20 years as a member. Based in the Netherlands, the court prosecutes war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide.
Canada joins Argentina, Chile, Colombia, Paraguay and Peru in signing the referral. Each of those countries has received migrants fleeing the humanitarian crisis in Venezuela, with Colombia and Peru receiving the lion's share.
There will be a signing ceremony for the referral on Wednesday morning at United Nations headquarters in New York.
Government sources told CBC that Canada's decision to refer Venezuela is also meant as a show of support for the ICC, an institution this country believes in that is under attack.
The U.S. joined the court in 2000 under the Clinton administration, but two years later, President George W. Bush "unsigned" the treaty and informed the UN that the U.S. would neither recognize nor co-operate with the ICC.
Bush's UN ambassador, John Bolton, was well known for his hostility to the institution, and now that he has returned to government as President Donald Trump's national security adviser, the U.S. administration has become openly hostile to the court.
On September 10, Bolton threatened U.S. sanctions against the court and its judges and prosecutors should they ever pursue a case against Israel or the U.S.
Calling the ICC an "illegitimate court," Bolton told Washington's Federalist Club:
"We will let the ICC die on its own. After all, to all intents and purposes, the ICC is already dead to us."
The threat came as ICC judges mulled whether to investigate the U.S. for alleged war crimes in Afghanistan.
Some African governments have also recently threatened to withdraw from the ICC, accusing it of taking up a disproportionate number of cases from that continent.

Two strikes for Venezuela

In the Americas, the only countries that have declined to join the court are the U.S., Cuba and Nicaragua.
Venezuela is a signatory, and that makes it subject to the court's jurisdiction.
This past summer, the Organization of American States brought forward a complaint against the Maduro government based on a report prepared by three respected international jurists, including Canada's former justice minister, Irwin Cotler.
The complaint details cases of alleged torture as well as politically motivated killings and disappearances for which it blames Venezuela's socialist government. It documents 8,292 extrajudicial executions, mostly of poor Venezuelans caught in police sweeps, as well as 131 killings of regime opponents and critics. It also accuses Venezuela of holding 1,300 political prisoners, and of having arbitrarily detained 12,000 citizens since 2013.
The ICC referral from the six American nations, including Canada, is expected to focus on the same allegations.

U.S. unlikely to object

Although the Trump administration is hostile to the ICC, it has said it will only impose sanctions if the court pursues cases against the U.S. or its allies. That clearly does not include Venezuela.
On Tuesday, Trump used his speech to the UN General Assembly to excoriate the Maduro regime and announce new sanctions against its leaders.
"More than two million people have fled the anguish inflicted by the socialist Maduro regime and its Cuban sponsors," he said.
"Not long ago, Venezuela was one of the richest countries on Earth. Today, socialism has bankrupted the oil-rich nation and driven its people into abject poverty."
Venezuelan Foreign Minister Jorge Arreaza, also in New York for the General Assembly, hit back at Trump, accusing him of presiding over "a dictatorship."
"They are withdrawing from international organizations," he said. "They are withdrawing from multilateral agreements, climate change, Human Rights Council, migration compact, and many others. Because they don't believe in the multilateral system. They believe in unilateralism. They believe in domination, as if they owned the world."
Venezuela has yet to react officially to Canada's decision to refer it to the ICC.

What are we being dragged into?

 

[MHz]

First step before military intervention

Canada joins multilateral move to send Venezuelan government to International Criminal Court

What are we being dragged into?

That the same Court the US says has no jurisdiction over them?? Please tell me somebody in Ottawa got that memo. lol


Please be prepared to give a definition to the Judges, that will be from 3rd world countries, just what an Indian Reserve is.

 

[Twin_Moose]

What any of this has to do with reserves is beyond me all I know is LIMA is asking Canada to go to war with Venezuela

UN court asked to probe Venezuela; leader defiant in speech

CAMEROON, Cameroon - Six nations made the unprecedented move Wednesday of asking the U.N.'s International Criminal Court to investigate Venezuela for possible crimes against humanity, even as President Nicolas Maduro made an unexpected trip to the world body's headquarters to deliver a nearly hourlong speech declaring his nation "will never give in."
Maduro's speech at the General Assembly gathering of world leaders came hours after Argentina, Chile, Colombia, Peru, Paraguay and Canada formally asked the ICC to investigate Venezuela on a range of possible charges, from murder to torture and crimes against humanity.
"To remain indifferent or speculative in front of this reality could be perceived as being complicit with the regime. We are not going to be complicit," said Paraguayan Foreign Minister Andres Rodriguez Pedotti.
The six countries hope the move puts new pressure on Maduro to end the violence and conflict that have sent more than 2 million people fleeing and made Venezuela's inflation and homicide rates among the highest in the world.
Venezuelan officials have widely rejected international criticism, saying they're driven by imperialist forces led by the U.S. to justify launching an invasion. And Maduro sounded a defiant tone Wednesday night, complaining that Washington was attacking his country through sanctions and other means and strong-arming other countries into going along in a "fierce diplomatic offensive."
"(The U.S.) wants to continue just giving orders to the world as though the world were its own property," Maduro said. "Venezuela will never give in."
But at the same time, he said he was willing to talk with Trump.
Wednesday marked the first time that member countries have referred another country to the Netherlands-based U.N. court.
Canada was among nations referring Venezuela to the ICC, and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau seized the moment to defend the idea of global justice the court represents — the day after Trump attacked it in a stinging speech that challenged multilateral organizations.
Its chief prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, already has opened a preliminary investigation into allegations that Venezuelan government forces since April 2017 "frequently used excessive force to disperse and put down demonstrations," and abused some opposition members in detention.
It is now up to the prosecutor — who didn't immediately comment on the request — to decide what to do next. The six-country referral could broaden the scope of the ongoing preliminary probe to the more serious charges levelled at Venezuela on Wednesday and extend the time frame back to 2014.
Human Rights Watch was among those hailing the request, which was based on two reports: one by the U.N. High Commission for Human Rights that uncovered widespread extrajudicial executions and other violations, and another by an expert group designated by the Organization of American States that found reason to suspect 11 people, including Maduro, of crimes against humanity.
The request — announced on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly — also bolsters the idea that international bodies can hold corrupt or abusive leaders or governments responsible before their citizens.
In an address to the General Assembly on Tuesday, Trump criticized what he called the "ideology of globalism" and said that as far as America is concerned, "the ICC has no jurisdiction, no legitimacy, and no authority."
The ICC was created in 2002 to prosecute war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide in areas where perpetrators might not otherwise face justice. The court has 123 state parties that recognize its jurisdiction.
Trudeau steered clear of direct criticism of Trump and said Canada and the U.S. share concern about the humanitarian crisis in Venezuela. But he also made clear Canada's support for international co-operation to help developing nations "to build a more peaceful, equal and stable world."
"Because that's what Canadians expect: That we stand up not just for ourselves but for everyone," Trudeau said.
While more world leaders spoke at the General Assembly on Wednesday, most attention was still focused on Trump, whose brash behaviour provoked laughter and headshakes from other leaders. He chaired a Security Council meeting on nonproliferation of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.
With Trump listening, Bolivia's President Evo Morales accused his administration of meddling in Iran and Venezuela. If the U.S. upheld democracy, Morales said, "it would not have financed coup d'etats and supported dictators" or threatened democratically elected governments as it has in Venezuela with military intervention.
He also charged that the U.S. "could not care less about human rights or justice," citing its alleged promotion of the "use of torture" and separation of migrant parents and children who were put "in cages."
Trump used his Security Council podium to fire off tough words at Iran, saying that a government with Iran's track record "must never be allowed to obtain" a nuclear weapon.
Iran's President Hassan Rouhani called the U.S. withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal "a mistake," and said sooner or later that the United States will support it again — notably because so many other countries stand behind it.
Rouhani told a news conference that Iran doesn't want to go to war with U.S. forces anywhere in the Middle East, declaring: "We do not want to attack them. We do not wish to increase tensions."
Trump also made waves by accusing China of meddling in November elections in the United States. China denies any interference.
Other tension points included Russian interference abroad — with Britain's prime minister accusing Moscow of "blatantly" violating international norms, and Russia's foreign minister comparing British accusations to "kindergarten" nonsense.
The top diplomats of both Russia and the United States met Wednesday with North Korea's foreign minister — separately — amid mounting efforts to roll back North Korea's nuclear ambitions.
And Italy's populist leader struck at the heart of Europe's biggest problem, stressing the importance of "shared responsibility" among countries in dealing with migrants, days after Rome deepened its crackdown on those fleeing Africa, the Middle East and Asia for asylum or a better life.

 

[MHz]

What any of this has to do with reserves is beyond me all I know is LIMA is asking Canada to go to war with Venezuela

UN court asked to probe Venezuela; leader defiant in speech

It means Canada's dealing with the First Nations would have to be pretty good before we can have a representative appear before the UN and claim that another nations actions are 'below standards'. The Residential Schools only officially ended about 1960, the conditions at Baffin Correctional Center and in the local communities shows that the abuse is not over by any means.
It also the world knows we are a gutless US stooge and when not taking direction from the the Queen only has to snap her fingers and we become the 'loyal colony' we were meant to be. He would get laughed at more than Trump just did.


If you are trying to claim to be 'in the know' think of this as the 'acid test'.

Link

Six nations made the unprecedented move Wednesday of asking the U.N.'s International Criminal Court to investigate Venezuela for possible crimes against humanity, even as President Nicolas Maduro made an unexpected trip to the world body's headquarters to deliver a nearly hourlong speech declaring his nation "will never give in."

MHz:
By all means have an investigation and use the year Hugo was elected as being when the ones holding the reins of power in the whole area includes the same nations making the complaint. Take it back that far and this type of Government was the 'norm' in all the nations mentioned. Canada has been a willing stooge much longer than that.


https://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=81917&page=1
A U.S. army facility critics have labeled a school for dictators, torturers and assassins is being closed today.
The “School of the Americas,” in Fort Benning, Ga., which has for 54 years operated as a training facility for Latin American military personnel, will shut its doors after facing criticism from human rights groups for years.
The list of graduates from the School of the Americas is a who’s who of Latin American despots. Students have included Manuel Noriega and Omar Torrijos of Panama, Leopoldo Galtieri of Argentina, and Hugo Banzer Suarez of Bolivia.
Other graduates cut a swath through El Salvador during its civil war, being involved in the 1980 assassination of Archbishop Oscar Romero, the El Mozote massacre in which 900 peasants were killed, and the 1989 murders of six Jesuit priests.
On Jan. 17, the school will reopen in the same location, to be run by the Defense Department rather than the Army. It will be known as the “Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation.”
In an article distributed by the SOA, Army Secretary Louis Caldera said he hoped the move would end years of “acrimonious debate” over the school.
But critics say the military is doing nothing more than changing the name of a school that over the years has won the moniker “School of the Assassins.”
“I am worried that nothing will change,” said Rep. Joe Moakley, D-Mass., who spearheaded the effort in Congress to close the school.
“In one month, the School of the Americas with a new name will reopen in the exact same place, it will train the exact same Latin American soldiers, but I sincerely hope some of its graduates will not go on to commit the exact same horrendous human rights violations,”
(in part)


Take notice that Canada brought up the abuses exactly zero times in all those years yet suddenly stories of abuses is 'proof enough' when $100US will buy you any story you want from somebody that is fleeing a famine. Like the one that killed 500,000 Iraqi children as Phase II of Gulf War I. We lodged zero complaints at the UN over that abuse like the good dog we are.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Institute_for_Security_Cooperation
Graduates of the School of the Americas

"The U.S. Army School of the Americas is a school that has run more dictators than any other school in the history of the world." - Congressman Joseph P. Kennedy II.[37]
​

A number of graduates of the SOA and WHINSEC have been accused and sentenced of human rights violations and criminal activity in their home countries.[38] In response to public debate and in order to promote transparency, the Freedom of Information Act released records that tracked trainees of the school.[5] In August 2007, according to an Associated Press report, Colonel Alberto Quijano of the Colombian Army's Special Forces was arrested for providing security and mobilizing troops for Diego León Montoya Sánchez (aka "Don Diego"), the leader of the Norte del Valle Cartel and one of the FBI's 10 most-wanted criminals. School of the Americas Watch said in a statement that it matched the names of those in the scandal with its database of attendees at the institute. Alberto Quijano attended courses and was an instructor who taught classes on peacekeeping operations and democratic sustainment at the school from 2003 to 2004.[39]
Other former students include Salvadoran Colonel and Atlacatl Battalion leader Domingo Monterrosa and other members of his group who were responsible for the El Mozote massacre,[40][4] and Franck Romain, former leader of the Tonton Macoute, who was responsible for the St Jean Bosco massacre.[41] Honduran General Luis Alonso Discua was also a graduate of the school who later on commanded Battalion 3-16, a military death squad.[4]
Critics of SOA Watch argue the connection between school attendees and violent activity is often misleading. According to Paul Mulshine, Roberto D'Aubuisson's sole link to the SOA is that he had taken a course in radio operations long before El Salvador's civil war began.[42] Further, others assert that training statistics show that Argentina, a country that engaged in much anti-Communist sentiment and violence during the Cold War era, had a relatively small number of military personnel educated at the school.[6]
Country Some of the graduates

Argentina Emilio Massera, Jorge Rafael Videla, Leopoldo Galtieri, Roberto Eduardo Viola

Bolivia Hugo Banzer Suárez, Luis Arce Gómez, Juan Ramón Quintana Taborga, Manfred Reyes Villa

Chile Raúl Iturriaga, Manuel Contreras, Miguel Krassnoff

Ecuador Guillermo Rodríguez

El Salvador Roberto D'Aubuisson

Guatemala Marco Antonio Yon Sosa[43]
Efraín Ríos Montt
Otto Pérez Molina[44]

Mexico The Zetas Cartel founders Heriberto 'The Executioner' Lazcano and Arturo 'Zeta One' Guzmán Decena[45][46][47]

Panama Omar Torrijos, Manuel Noriega

Peru Juan Velasco Alvarado, Vladimiro Montesinos, Ollanta Humala

Venezuela Vladimir Padrino López Educated according to other sources

In 1992 the OAS Inter-American Commission on Human Rights recommended prosecution of Col. Cid Díaz for murder in association with the 1983 Las Hojas massacre. His name is on a State Department list of gross human rights abusers. Díaz went to the Institute in 2003.[48][49]



Maduro's speech at the General Assembly gathering of world leaders came hours after Argentina, Chile, Colombia, Peru, Paraguay and Canada formally asked the ICC to investigate Venezuela on a range of possible charges, from murder to torture and crimes against humanity.

MHz:
As mentioned above there will be a demand the SOA years along with life under Company farms was like as that is also part of the changes Canada would like to see return. That is where out 'true values' really shine through for the world to see. Any you tits here cheer it on, wow.



"To remain indifferent or speculative in front of this reality could be perceived as being complicit with the regime. We are not going to be complicit," said Paraguayan Foreign Minister Andres Rodriguez Pedotti.

MHz:
I can agree with those nations not wanting any poor people showing up as Uncle Sam is not going to be sending any aid. Less aid if the borders aren't closed. Like the 'Liberty' those fleeing are meant to die of starvation. They are not short of money, countries like Canada will not sell them food at any price as that is what stooges do best, stand by and watch and chirp up about how bad their leaders are.



The six countries hope the move puts new pressure on Maduro to end the violence and conflict that have sent more than 2 million people fleeing and made Venezuela's inflation and homicide rates among the highest in the world.


MHz:
Canad could end the suffering why sending down as much grain as they needed. We still buy their oil, how much food do they ask for and how much do we ship. Perhaps we should be defendants at the ICC on that as well instead.



Venezuelan officials have widely rejected international criticism, saying they're driven by imperialist forces led by the U.S. to justify launching an invasion.



MHz:
Iran will never go back to the way it was between 1953-1979, Cuba will never go back to what it was before the US version of Orgy Island was kicked out. Iceland is the one that got away where they could not be sanctioned as they still produced their own food and energy. It's prisons hold more crooked politicians and crooked bankers than any nation in the 'free world', why is that??



And Maduro sounded a defiant tone Wednesday night, complaining that Washington was attacking his country through sanctions and other means and strong-arming other countries into going along in a "fierce diplomatic offensive."



MHz:
That isn't hard to show as the ones that ran to Miami are the ones that are running the 'comeback' for the US Gov. Follow the sanctions to see who the real shit-disturbers are in the area.
That it seems to be coming as news to you is not to your credit. No wonder Canada is not the Country the PR says we are.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Show me a link where FN people are treated worse than the citizens of Venezuela

If FN are being treated so bad why don't they apply for refugee status?

 

[MHz]

I already mentioned Baffin Correctional Center. That you don't see that as intentional abuse only prove you aren't all that smart. Prove me wrong by posting something about the 20 years the 'study' went on.


You are missing the point about things are as bad as they are because it is made to be that way by forces outside the country, such as the US through sanctions and then the US promotes invasion as the only option to help the people sanctions are hurting the worst.

That makes you on the wrong side of being a moral person. That point can be made clear so people don't mistake you for being anything but a racist who uses money in your pocket as the way of telling the value of a person.



https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-28/trump-eyeing-coup-venezuela-0
The Trump administration and some others in the U.S. government have sent some not-so-subtle hints lately that they are open to a military invasion of Venezuela to oust President Nicolas Maduro.

“It’s a regime that frankly could be toppled very quickly by the military, if the military decides to do that,” President Trump told reporters on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly on Tuesday.
​

The words seem to offer some encouragement for a coup, which may not come as a surprise because the New York Times published an investigation in early September that found that the Trump administration met secretly with Venezuelan military officers over the last year to discuss an overthrow of Maduro.


Another link to the way the fuktards you support operate, only Iran is strong enough that an invasion would never be possible.


https://apnews.com/ac9acf84ccc04de296c65ec1d1c38a5b
NEW YORK (AP) — The Trump administration pressed ahead Friday with plans to create an “Arab NATO” that would unite U.S. partners in the Middle East in an anti-Iran alliance, but Qatar said the crisis among Gulf countries must be solved first.
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo met in New York with foreign ministers from Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates to advance the project.
The State Department said Pompeo had stressed the need to defeat the Islamic State group and other terrorist organizations as well as ending the conflicts in Syria and Yemen, securing Iraq and “stopping Iran’s malign activity in the region.”
Qatar’s Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani told a news conference afterward that the alliance should be built on existing institutions, and he asked how that could be done when the most powerful Gulf countries have been engaged in a more-than-yearlong dispute.
“The real challenge facing the U.S.-led alliance is to solve the Gulf crisis,” he said.
It pits Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates against Qatar, and has split the membership of the main regional group, the Gulf Cooperation Council or GCC.
Since June 2017, the Saudis, Emiratis and Bahrain, along with Egypt, have been boycotting Qatar and demanding that it limit its diplomatic ties with Iran, shut down the state-funded Al-Jazeera news network, and sever ties to “terrorist organizations” such as the Muslim Brotherhood and Lebanon’s Hezbollah. Qatar denies supporting terrorists.

 

[Twin_Moose]

I already mentioned Baffin Correctional Center. That you don't see that as intentional abuse only prove you aren't all that smart. Prove me wrong by posting something about the 20 years the 'study' went on.

You are comparing a correction facility full of criminals as an example to the treatment of FN people to the treatment to the citizens of Venezuela? Show me an apple to apple link of free FN people being treated worse than the citizens of Venezuela.


What bigger picture LIMA is asking Canada to go to war with Venezuela over their treatment of their citizens has nothing to do with the US

 

[MHz]

You are comparing a correction facility full of criminals as an example to the treatment of FN people to the treatment to the citizens of Venezuela? Show me an apple to apple link of free FN people being treated worse than the citizens of Venezuela.

Way to show that the only opinion that is important is yours and facts mean squat in your version of the world. Congrats ob graduating from 'ill=informed' to 'intention sleaze-ball with a side order of stupid throw in'.


First is it is a minimal facility but all the 'hard work going on is to ensure there will be a demand for a max-security center. The same conditions allowed to exist in the prison is against health standards and the advice given to the communities by Health Canad insure illnesses will increase as well as criminal behavior of the violent kind will increase. Thanks for letting it be known what is important to you and what isn't.

What bigger picture LIMA is asking Canada to go to war with Venezuela over their treatment of their citizens has nothing to do with the US

You and a few others around here fully support bombing a starving population rather than shipping them some grain that we have no buyers for. I'm quite serious when I say that is the thinking of a group that is completely fuking insane and they should be stopped from having children or friends.


The US is the reason they are in chaos, if you don;t know that you need a babysitter and if you do know that then you are a fuking liar and are the very dregs of society.

 

[Twin_Moose]

When did I start talking about the rest of the world and start advocating for bombing Venezuela, I was pointing out last spring just before the purchase of TMPL JT signed on to a trade agreement with SA countries called LIMA. LIMA is now calling for military intervention into Venezuela and calling on Canada to join them, what any of this has to do with FN, ME, or the US is beyond me.


It also has nothing to do with NATO, they are trying to bring the UN into it though.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Way to show that the only opinion that is important is yours and facts mean squat in your version of the world. Congrats ob graduating from 'ill=informed' to 'intention sleaze-ball with a side order of stupid throw in'.
First is it is a minimal facility but all the 'hard work going on is to ensure there will be a demand for a max-security center. The same conditions allowed to exist in the prison is against health standards and the advice given to the communities by Health Canad insure illnesses will increase as well as criminal behavior of the violent kind will increase. Thanks for letting it be known what is important to you and what isn't.

You don't see this as a personal choice to save their own health? Don't do the crime, and they won't have to do the time in that facility. So who is the stupid one here?

 

[MHz]

How many other prison facilities were in the same condition as far as covered by 'minimal health standards'. When a place i n Calgary has a mold issue the whole building is renovated if Lawyers happen to be using it. They never move back into that same building btw. Find mold in a Courthouse and each page of every piece of paper is 'cleaned' so lets be clear about what 'minimal' means.


Rather than a 'that's not right' you throw out that experimenting on prisoners is fine as long as they are Indians is really a pretty disgusting thing to think let alone say. The communities are as much as a prisoners than the ones behind locked doors can also be used in your opinion. How about immigrants and people on welfare, are they 'sub-standard people' also??

 

[MHz]

Clearly you are the stupid one by a country mile, you will still be choking on Walnut's dust.

 

[Twin_Moose]

How many other prison facilities were in the same condition as far as covered by 'minimal health standards'. When a place i n Calgary has a mold issue the whole building is renovated if Lawyers happen to be using it. They never move back into that same building btw. Find mold in a Courthouse and each page of every piece of paper is 'cleaned' so lets be clear about what 'minimal' means.
Rather than a 'that's not right' you throw out that experimenting on prisoners is fine as long as they are Indians is really a pretty disgusting thing to think let alone say. The communities are as much as a prisoners than the ones behind locked doors can also be used in your opinion. How about immigrants and people on welfare, are they 'sub-standard people' also??

Are they all FN in the correction center? and what has it got to do with Venezuela stay focused here

 

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In that one I would suspect so.
What I am pointing out is you don't have all the facts. Fidel saved Cuba from US trained death squads being in control. His buddy 'Che' is a hero but Fidel is a 'bloodthirsty dictator who hates America because of her freedoms'. Do you have any idea of idiotic the US propaganda is compared to the reality? Iceland jailed the crooked politicians and bankers rather than letting them leave like in Cuba and Hugo took the reins.

 

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And that has what to do with LIMA, Canada and Venezuela?

 

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Trump warns Central American countries he'll withhold funds over immigrant 'caravan'

President Trump in a tweet on Tuesday warned Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador that he intends to withhold funds if the "caravan" of Honduran migrants reaches the U.S.-Mexico border.
Trump earlier in the day had threatened to cut off aid for Honduras over the so-called caravan.
"We have today informed the countries of Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador that if they allow their citizens, or others, to journey through their borders and up to the United States, with the intention of entering our country illegally, all payments made to them will STOP (END)!" Trump tweeted on Tuesday evening.
"Anybody entering the United States illegally will be arrested and detained, prior to being sent back to their country!" he added in another post.
The U.S. in fiscal year 2017 gave around $248 million in aid to Guatemala, $175 million to Honduras, and $115 million to El Salvador.
Trump's tweets are a response to reports that there is a migrant caravan of more than 1,600 people moving north from Honduras, heading toward Guatemala with the ultimate goal of reaching the U.S.-Mexico border.
Many of the migrants say they are fleeing rampant poverty and violence in Honduras.
"There's a misery and a violence that is overwhelming people," an organizer with the group, Dunia Montoya, told The Associated Press on Monday. "People no longer have faith in this country and they are fleeing."
The caravan is currently making its way through Guatemala, NBC reported.
The Honduran Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation has asked its citizens to stop participating, saying their lives are at risk, according to the news outlet.

 

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Threatening them with allowing the Clinton Foundation to do the plans for their development isn't an incentive it would be a threat.

Puerto Rico isn't such a success let alone being an incentive to turn yourself into a puppet state of the US. Looks a lot like the KSA actually.