Rebirth Through Baptism
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Just your avatar is going to give cliffy nightmares about rouge penguins. lol
That baptism is too narrow, the 7 letters cover all Gentiles so the RCC might be considered to be 17 or even 1/14 of all Gentiles if their general condition is contained in one detail alone. Perhaps the one that lost their first love would include them in their entirety. Those are the qualities God will use to judge the world one by one. Jesus and John were both 'enlightened' while still in the womb and an elusive verse from the OT also mentions that even the ones that did not draw breath are included as being part of the 'whole house'. The time that takes place is right after the 7 vials are poured out and that in the 3 hours that follow the rise of the two witnesses from the grave. In the next 3 hours all the resurrections that need to be done to have the whole population that will be alive for the 1,000 years will be alive and be in a body like the one Jesus had on the morning He was resurrected and a trip to the river in Eze:47 will be needed before it is glorified. (immortal and a sinless heart who would be the first of mankind to come under the promised covenant. The ones that miss the water at that river are given a drink of the same water bt God just after Judgment Day is closed. They would enter the new earth being as 'wise' as the group that was alive at the end of day 1 of the 1,000 years. After that period they would be 'qualified' to become perfect Priests and Kings to all the ones that come alive at the Great White Throne Event. They would keep that 1,000 year headstart for all of eternity, that is why the ones outside the City are called the Flock and the Citizens of the (various Nations) If Jerusalem and area is void of life at the return and the first step in the 'recovery' is to put man on the ground then that could also be the model for how things happen in the new earth (current universe). It takes 7 years to burn the weapons of war and then 7 months to gather and bury some bones but except for two spots it will have returned to the state Eden was in minus all other flesh except for fish mentioned in Eze:47. The new earth version of the water healing the land would be the resurrection of all the flesh that had life on this earth (the practice run) That would mean Adam would have dominion over the very same ones he named back during the original days of creation. The Genesis 2 version could even be a model for how things go once the end of Revelation 22 happens and the gates are opened and the bigger version of Eze:47 takes place where all flesh is shown salvation rather than just the fish in the (former) Dead Sea.
Lu:3:6:
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
1Co:15:39:
All flesh is not the same flesh:
but there is one kind of flesh of men,
another flesh of beasts,
another of fishes,
and another of birds.
Heb:8:7:
For if that first covenant had been faultless,
then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb:8:10:
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,
saith the Lord;
I will put my laws into their mind,
and write them in their hearts:
and I will be to them a God,
and they shall be to me a people:
Re:11:19:
And the temple of God was opened in heaven,
and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:
and there were lightnings,
and voices,
and thunderings,
and an earthquake,
and great hail.
Re:10:7:
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound,
the mystery of God should be finished,
as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Re:10:8:
And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again,
and said,
Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
Zec:14:4:
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,
which is before Jerusalem on the east,
and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west,
and there shall be a very great valley;
and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north,
and half of it toward the south.
Zec:14:6:
And it shall come to pass in that day,
that the light shall not be clear,
nor dark:
Zec:14:7:
But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD,
not day,
nor night:
but it shall come to pass,
that at evening time it shall be light.
Zec:6:12:
And speak unto him, saying,
Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts,
saying,
Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH;
and he shall grow up out of his place,
and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
Zec:6:13:
Even he shall build the temple of the LORD;
and he shall bear the glory,
and shall sit and rule upon his throne;
and he shall be a priest upon his throne:
and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
Eze:47:1:
Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house;
and,
behold,
waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward:
for the forefront of the house stood toward the east,
and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house,
at the south side of the altar.
Eze:47:12:
And by the river upon the bank thereof,
on this side and on that side,
shall grow all trees for meat,
whose leaf shall not fade,
neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed:
it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months,
because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary:
and the fruit thereof shall be for meat,
and the leaf thereof for medicine.
Da:12:1:
And at that time shall Michael stand up,
the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:
and there shall be a time of trouble,
such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:
and at that time thy people shall be delivered,
every one that shall be found written in the book.
Da:12:2:
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life,
and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Da:12:3:
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament;
and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Isaiah 65 gives the base for a lot of this including every couple having 100 children before becoming immortal.
"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith?”
—Jesus (Matthew 6:28-30, NIV)
How am I doing, MHz?
Just attempting to raise the bar a little, Cliffy : )
"There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens" (Ecclesiastes 3:1 NIV) - including a time for seriousness and a time for levity.
No,
"A time of love, a time of hate,
A time of peace, I swear it's not too late."
An anti-war plea...
JUDY COLLINS - Turn Turn Turn (1966 ).mp4 - YouTube
"A time of love, a time of hate,
A time of peace, I swear it's not too late."
An anti-war plea...
JUDY COLLINS - Turn Turn Turn (1966 ).mp4 - YouTube
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I am very serious about levity. Without it bread would not rise and souls could not soar.
You seem to have a grasp on who God is. I doubt I would have even found the verse you referenced.
M't:10:31:
Fear ye not therefore,
ye are of more value than many sparrows.
Isa:65:17:
For,
behold,
I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered,
nor come into mind.
Isa:54:1:
Sing,
O barren,
thou that didst not bear;
break forth into singing,
and cry aloud,
thou that didst not travail with child:
for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife,
saith the LORD.
Would Jerusalem in the rest of this chapter be the one during the 1,000 years ot the large one that will exist later when the new earth starts? I'm leaning to it being the one on earth for the 1,000 years (Zec:14 style)
Isa:40:1-8:
Comfort ye,
comfort ye my people,
saith your God.
Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem,
and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished,
that her iniquity is pardoned:
for she hath received of the LORD's hand double for all her sins.
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness,
Prepare ye the way of the LORD,
make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Every valley shall be exalted,
and every mountain and hill shall be made low:
and the crooked shall be made straight,
and the rough places plain:
And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed,
and all flesh shall see it together:
for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
The voice said, Cry.
And he said,
What shall I cry?
All flesh is grass,
and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth:
because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it:
surely the people is grass.
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth:
but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Even with the 'flowerly language the 'message' applies to literal people and literal events that will unfold according to the prophecy. The verse below is a description of how much effort is extended to save the Nations rather than them being discarded into the fire. Isles in the verse just previous is a reference to all Gentile Nation on the Globe as North America would be seen as an 'isle' on a map of the world drawn today.
Isa:40:17:
All nations before him are as nothing;
and they are counted to him less than nothing,
and vanity.
To cross a sea or river was figurative language for crossing the whole stretch of our incarnate earthly existence. To go through life in the body was designated as a sailing over great waters. Likewise to undergo the baptism by water was but another poetic mode of typifying our experience in the waters of this bodily life. The Psalmist time and again writes of the terrors of his soul at being flooded by great waters, billows, water-floods. "Thy waves have gone over me, the water-floods have come in unto my soul. Save me, O God, out of the great waters". Jonah, plunged in the watery deeps, cried to God to save him "from the belly of death". Water and death are here equated, and Paul has done the same thing when he speaks of "suffering death with him (Jesus) in his baptism". Incarnation is a hundred times portrayed under the figure
of a plunge into the water and coming up again. Baptism theologically never meant anything other than to live the life in body, and at least one phase of the aptness of the figure can be seen when it is realized that these bodies of ours are about seven-eighths water by composition. The other fraction is of earthly elements, giving us the basis of the ancient symbolism of incarnate life as a swamp or mire.
DB (so we can see that baptism in water is your incarnation in your watery body and nothing else and cannot be performed by any priest , a pope cannot even baptize a worm, we are baptized into carnal life, it is impossible to be baptized into any church, cult or sect. We are baptized by conception and that fusion event is of natural physics.)
THE LOST MEANING OF DEATH
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DB (so we can see that baptism in water is your incarnation in your watery body and nothing else and cannot be performed by any priest , a pope cannot even baptize a worm, we are baptized into carnal life, it is impossible to be baptized into any church, cult or sect. We are baptized by conception and that fusion event is of natural physics.)
THE LOST MEANING OF DEATH
by
Alvin Boyd Kuhn, Ph. D.
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I am not certain if Motar is aware of the scholarship of Massey and Kuhn. Their research relates many Christian myths to ancient Egypt and the worship of Isis, Osiris, and Horas. Thank you for pusuing this line.
I have read and continue to read nothing more interesting. It is like a great revelation to me and while I did not get on my knees and beg for answers I have been forced to those same knees by the sheer logic of the ancients more than once.
PLATONIC PHILOSOPHY
IN THE BIBLE
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(1) The composers of ancient scriptures were poets, allegorists,
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(2) The ancients were also esotericists, writing only of the inner life and for intiated pupils. They wrote of inner things under an outer veil. They wrote of the Greater Mysteries which were never given out to the multitude, but taught in secret to disciplined students. Spiritual truth was not published in modern fashion. Whatever was written, was veiled under glyph and symbol. Mostly it was taught by oral tradition.
(3) Then the ancients were "uranographers." The "uranograph" was a chart of heaven. By this is meant a map outlined by the early sages charting the spiritual constitution and physiology of man, the psychic centers, areas of spiritual force, and all "after the pattern of things in the heavens." Man, the microcosm, is a replica of the heavenly man and the universe. From the history of man written thus in the constellation of the skies, the early religious formulators transferred the record to earth and distributed the various phenomena and localities over the national maps in accordance with the heavenly chart! All nations tried to frame their own history and geography after the pattern of things in the heavenly mount. Mainly the Egyptians and after them the Jews made this transfer almost completely. According to this chart each nation was given an upper and lower section, had a river flowing from the upper down to the lower, had a lake or sea, a central city representing the Holy City, and a score of parallel features found in every case. There was first a division into seven nomes or districts, later into twelve. Each nation thus strove to have its history interpreted as a fulfilment of the sacred allegory; and its national history, thus diverted into the form of the celestial myth, was made into the national epic. And finally came the claim on the part of several, notably the Jews, that since their history fulfilled the outlines of the sacred story, they were proven to be the "chosen people" of God. There is not a scrap of evidence anywhere to identify the Israelites as the historical Hebrews or Jews. The latter simply appropriated the distinction to themselves and fitted their history into the sacred scheme. As proof
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(4) Lastly it was our discovery that all religious writings deal with but one central fact, the incarnation of man, or the descent and resurrection of the soul. It is graphically outlined in the Prodigal Son allegory. It is the whole story of religion. The old books deal with nothing beyond this story and its involvements. It is itself the key to all philosophy and religion. All meanings proceed from this one fact and return thither. In the light of this one fact all complicated meanings can be reduced to clear significance. It unravels the infinite complexities of the symbology that have confounded the learned scholars and theologians. That man is a god dwelling in an animal form is the central and cardinal fact of all religion.
It is well to note a few situations in the Bible which preclude any sane mind taking it for literal truth. How the literalist "swallows" them we know not.
First, the story of the flood. Forty (or four hundred) days' rain would not raise the ocean an inch, as all rain is first drawn off the ocean and only runs back into it at the constant level. And how could millions of species of every living thing be collected, cared for and housed in the "ark" by a single man and his family. It would take an army many years to gather a minute portion of all creatures. Then how could they be kept in living conditions, fed, and tended on board for months?
And how did the children of the first pair, Adam and Eve, go off and marry the women of another nation, as recorded in Genesis? And in the genealogy of Jesus as of David's line, the link with David is broken at his father Joseph, who was not his father after all. Jesus is of David's line, yet is denied parentage from David's descendant. Then we have the anomaly of Joshua's commanding th