Rick Santorum

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Dylan Brody

Karl Rove has a visceral reaction to the Clint Eastwood Chrysler commercial during the Super Bowl on Sunday. This led to a great many on air conversations about whether or not the commercial was, in fact, political -- not to mention excuses to run bits of the Chrysler commercial over and over again. Now, I would contend that all commercials carry underlying political messages. Commercials for easy-to-make dinners and the most absorbent paper towels carry messages about the roles we expect women to play in the household. Commercials for anti-depressants and allergy medications deliver messages about the nature of happiness and the ways in which we relate to our world and our environment, not to mention messages about our relationship to and dependence on the pharmaceutical industry. All commercials in general carry underlying messages about the importance of consumerism and serve as pro-capitalist propaganda. These political messages come through all the time, slipping under our radar.

The question we need to ask is not whether this ad was deliberately more political in content than other ads that we see every day. The question that must be addressed is why this ad so affected Karl Rove that he felt he must speak out against it; the answer to this question reveals more about Rove and the Republican party than it does about Chrysler or its two minutes of heart-warming, pro-industry salesmanship. The text of the commercial that so offended Mr. Rove's delicate sensibilities was about coming together as a nation. It referenced the rebirth of Detroit and the auto industry as a microcosm of the nation, as proof that people working together can accomplish great things.

Karl Rove, a powerful figure in the architecture of the modern Republican strategy, depends on polarization and animosity. The very thought that people can come together, can unify as a nation is anathema to the Rove doctrine. Rove and his cohorts do not believe in coming together, in compromise, in cooperation. They thrive on conflict. This political philosophy shows in every aspect of their discourse.

When non-Christians seek inclusion, the Republican politicos frame any conversation in terms of a war on religion. When gays seek equal rights, the right wing sees it as an attack on marriage. Multi-cultural studies become an assault on traditional American values. If one's base philosophy demands that any disagreement must be seen in terms of combative opposition, the very idea of coming together becomes not just distasteful but a direct attack on an ideological level.

Thus, it makes perfect sense that, in this case, Mr. Rove sees the political underpinnings of this particular advertisement very, very clearly. These political underpinnings sting. They strike him as powerfully as the sexist underpinnings of a Victoria's Secret ad strike a feminist, as powerfully as the underpinnings of the "Beef -- It's What's For Dinner" ads strike a committed vegan.

This leads me to the next questions we ought to be asking ourselves. Do we want to live in a nation whose critical thinking skills are so eroded that we are shocked to realize that the messages we receive every day actually contain messages? Do we want to live in a nation in which we are so inured to the messages with which we are inundated that it makes sense to vilify an advertisement simply for having a message that might be perceived and not just absorbed unconsciously? Do we want to live in a nation that sees the idea of cooperation and unity as inherently dangerous to the status quo?

Let's say it is halftime in America. How about this? When we get out there on the field, let's play the rest of this game with our eyes open.

Dylan Brody: The World Through Rove-Colored Glasses
 

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Why would you gleefully admit to being a fundamentalist?

Because the label doesn't matter. What matters is the truth. In fact, if I were to pick ANY belief system it only makes sense to strictly stick to the fundamentals. There's lots of people who want to add to the fundamental doctrine because they feel more comfortable with watered down message, and because they want a more inclusive religion. It's called legalism, and it's poison. Look no further than Catholicism for an example. Pray to the saints? Don't eat meat on Fridays? Confess to a priest? Get to heaven by "good works"?

Jesus Christ himself was a fundamentalist and it was because he hated this kind of legalism that he bumped heads with the religious leaders of his day. It's also why he said on the cross "it is FINISHED", because nothing needs to be added to his words or what he accomplished on the cross.

"I cannot endure false doctrine(legalism). Would you have me eat poisoned meat because it is served on the choicest of ware?" - Charles Spurgeon.

Rick got spanked in Maine, though not as bad as Newt. I guess he probably doesn't have the funds to be competetive in those smaller states. And Romney won the CPAC presidential straw poll.

How much money should I send Rick's campaign? ;)
 

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Rick is a little weasel at best, he is one of those pro religion bullies that is doing great things
for the glory of the Lord and if you are not with him you are against him, as it were. The
shiny Jesus smile, you can see it a mile away on him. Like so many others the smile gives
them away. And the prayers they send up, what for? They are all praying they won't get caught.
I had a friend who was a strong believer, he was also a man that could charm the birds out
of the trees as it were. When he said in greeting, why come on in, God bless you, the one thing
you didn't do was look for your wallet, because he would know where it was if you know what I
mean.
He died a few years back and he was a mixture of good and not so good just like the rest of us,
but you couldn't make him a community leader anymore than Santorum should be made a
leader.
 

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Because the label doesn't matter. What matters is the truth. In fact, if I were to pick ANY belief system it only makes sense to strictly stick to the fundamentals. There's lots of people who want to add to the fundamental doctrine because they feel more comfortable with watered down message, and because they want a more inclusive religion. It's called legalism, and it's poison. Look no further than Catholicism for an example. Pray to the saints? Don't eat meat on Fridays? Confess to a priest? Get to heaven by "good works"?

With ideas like that, one would assume that you did not go to church, since you would not want someone else interpreting things for you.
 

Liberalman

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I agree. A Santorum win would absolutely ensure Obama's reelection. The GOP has only one candidate who can beat Obama; the sleezeball called Mitt Romney.

Sleezeball or not Mitt has the know how to bring back jobs to north America and if there is a lot of jobs in America, Canada enjoys the spill over opportunities.
 

wulfie68

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Santorum seems to be going out of his way to shoot himself in the foot. His comments about female soldiers being too emotional for combat (coming from someone who has never donned a uniform) have really POed female vets (like my wife)... and it just keeps adding on. If he DOES win, it will be a confirmation of the Republican party as the home of old white men and pretty much no one else.
 

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Santorum seems to be going out of his way to shoot himself in the foot. His comments about female soldiers being too emotional for combat (coming from someone who has never donned a uniform) have really POed female vets (like my wife)... and it just keeps adding on. If he DOES win, it will be a confirmation of the Republican party as the home of old white men and pretty much no one else.
Yep. Wifey calls him a despotic, patriarchal troglodyte.
 

Just the Facts

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Santorum seems to be going out of his way to shoot himself in the foot. His comments about female soldiers being too emotional for combat (coming from someone who has never donned a uniform) have really POed female vets (like my wife)...

He may be going out of his way to shoot himself in the foot, I don't know, but I do know that he didn't say female soldiers were too emotional for combat. I found that pretty clear in the interview, and he indeed clarified that (as it apparently needed to be clarified for those looking for an excuse to demean him) later. He was talking about the emotional dynamics between soldiers, not of women specifically. I didn;t think that needed clarification.

Yep. Wifey calls him a despotic, patriarchal troglodyte.

Part of the new civil discourse Obama's been promising? :)
 

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He may be going out of his way to shoot himself in the foot, I don't know, but I do know that he didn't say female soldiers were too emotional for combat. I found that pretty clear in the interview, and he indeed clarified that (as it apparently needed to be clarified for those looking for an excuse to demean him) later. He was talking about the emotional dynamics between soldiers, not of women specifically. I didn;t think that needed clarification.

No, he didn't say they were too emotional. He said straight men are too emotional.

Rick Santorum reiterated on NBC’s Today show yesterday that he does not believe women should be fighting in the U.S. military. The problem is not with the women, he says. The problem is that the men in the U.S. military might not be able to focus on the mission if women are in danger.

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Anyone who is in a foxhole with bullets flying and missiles exploding, who then stops to consider whether fallen comrades are male or female and what their sexual preferences are instead of focusing on their mission, is not someone who should be defending our freedom.
Rick Santorum says no to women and gays in U.S. military | Washington Times Communities

Who the hell would stop to think about gender or sexual preferences of the person next to them with "bullets flying and missiles exploding." So what he really is saying is that the US Armed Forces are not sufficiently trained to keep their mind on the bullets whizzing past their heads. Correction, the straight men in the US Armed Forces are not sufficiently trained.

Obama would walk all over this guy in an election.
 

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No, he didn't say they were too emotional. He said straight men are too emotional.
Rick Santorum reiterated on NBC’s Today show yesterday that he does not believe women should be fighting in the U.S. military. The problem is not with the women, he says. The problem is that the men in the U.S. military might not be able to focus on the mission if women are in danger.

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Anyone who is in a foxhole with bullets flying and missiles exploding, who then stops to consider whether fallen comrades are male or female and what their sexual preferences are instead of focusing on their mission, is not someone who should be defending our freedom.
Rick Santorum says no to women and gays in U.S. military | Washington Times Communities

Who the hell would stop to think about gender or sexual preferences of the person next to them with "bullets flying and missiles exploding." So what he really is saying is that the US Armed Forces are not sufficiently trained to keep their mind on the bullets whizzing past their heads. Correction, the straight men in the US Armed Forces are not sufficiently trained.

Obama would walk all over this guy in an election.
Then that should be who you want as the republican delegate.
 

Bar Sinister

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Sleezeball or not Mitt has the know how to bring back jobs to north America and if there is a lot of jobs in America, Canada enjoys the spill over opportunities.



Really? Are you talking about the man who improved his company's efficiency by cutting jobs? There is only one real way to significantly create more jobs in the US and that is to get the middle class spending again. Somehow I don't see Romney being the least bit interested in doing a thing for the average American.

Romney as Job Creator Clashes with Bain Record of Job Cuts - Bloomberg