Police Brutality - Time to get pissed

YukonJack

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Let me say this in the nicest and kindest way: I hope that those who are crying police brutality and are bashing cops will never find one when they need one.

Maybe police stations should keep a file on them as they do on habitual criminals, and then respond to calls accordingly.
 

petros

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Need one? So lets say you are walking down the street, get robbed by some Ahhhh brooooos, you see a cop, wave him down and say "hey, they just robbed me, get them" is he/she required by some law somewhere to "help you" and apprehend those people who just robbed you?

Yes or no?
 

YukonJack

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Need one? So lets say you are walking down the street, get robbed by some Ahhhh brooooos, you see a cop, wave him down and say "hey, they just robbed me, get them" is he/she required by some law somewhere to "help you" and apprehend those people who just robbed you?

Yes or no?

Yes.
 

petros

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Police blowoff upsets bike theft victim - Saskatchewan - CBC News



Neglect of duty
6 For the purposes of section 4 (1) (b), a police officer commits the disciplinary default of neglect of duty if
(a) the police officer, without lawful excuse, fails to promptly and diligently (i) obey a lawful order of a supervisor of the police officer, or
(ii) perform his or her duties as a police officer,
(b) the police officer fails to work in accordance with orders, or leaves an area, detail or other place of duty without due permission or sufficient cause or, having left a place of duty with due permission or sufficient cause, fails to return promptly, or
(c) the police officer is absent from or late for duty without reasonable excuse.

Can you point where it says it is mandatory to respond to someone in need without being directed by a supervisor first?

What does this part say?


Abuse of authority
10 For the purposes of section 4 (1) (f), a police officer commits the disciplinary default of abuse of authority if the police officer (a) without good and sufficient cause arrests, detains or searches a person,
(b) uses unnecessary force on a person,
(c) while on duty, is discourteous or uncivil or uses profane, abusive or insulting language to a person including, without limitation, language that tends to demean or show disrespect to a person on the basis of that person's race, colour, ancestry, place of origin, political belief, religion, marital status, family status, physical or mental disability, sex, sexual orientation, age or economic and social status, or
(d) harasses, intimidates or retaliates against a person who makes a report about the conduct of an officer or submits a complaint under Part 9 of the Act.



Does the GTA have a similar code?
 

DaSleeper

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Police blowoff upsets bike theft victim - Saskatchewan - CBC News




Neglect of duty
6 For the purposes of section 4 (1) (b), a police officer commits the disciplinary default of neglect of duty if
(a) the police officer, without lawful excuse, fails to promptly and diligently (i) obey a lawful order of a supervisor of the police officer, or that single word means a lot

(ii) perform his or her duties as a police officer,


(b) the police officer fails to work in accordance with orders, or leaves an area, detail or other place of duty without due permission or sufficient cause or, having left a place of duty with due permission or sufficient cause, fails to return promptly, or (That one word means a lot)
(c) the police officer is absent from or late for duty without reasonable excuse.

Can you point where it says it is mandatory to respond to someone in need without being directed by a supervisor first?

What does this part say?


Abuse of authority
10 For the purposes of section 4 (1) (f), a police officer commits the disciplinary default of abuse of authority if the police officer (a) without good and sufficient cause arrests, detains or searches a person,
(b) uses unnecessary force on a person,
(c) while on duty, is discourteous or uncivil or uses profane, abusive or insulting language to a person including, without limitation, language that tends to demean or show disrespect to a person on the basis of that person's race, colour, ancestry, place of origin, political belief, religion, marital status, family status, physical or mental disability, sex, sexual orientation, age or economic and social status, or
(d) harasses, intimidates or retaliates against a person who makes a report about the conduct of an officer or submits a complaint under Part 9 of the Act.



Does the GTA have a similar code?

****
 

petros

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Police blowoff upsets bike theft victim


Matthew Doleman, 13, tried to get police officers to help during a theft in progress, but was told to phone the police station. (CBC)

A Regina teenager who tried to alert police to a theft in progress is upset that the culprits who stole his bicycle got away while the officers advised the boy to phone the police station.
The theft took place a week ago, on Matthew Doleman's 13th birthday.

The youngster had spent the summer working odd jobs to save enough money for his bike.
'I told them I needed their help because my bike has just been stolen.'—Theft victim Matthew Doleman, 13
It was taken while Doleman and some friends were playing in a park. He says they saw the thieves take off with his bike.

"It was just the bike they got and then they took off down the street," Doleman told CBC News on Thursday. "I decided to borrow my friend's bike to ride and see if I could find them."

Within a few minutes, Doleman said, he spotted his stolen bike and the rider about a block away. He also happened to see a Regina police cruiser.

"Then I seen these two police officers and I pulled them over and I told them what happened," Doleman said. "I told them I needed their help because my bike has just been stolen."

Doleman said the reaction was not what he expected.

"They were like, 'Oh. Just go call the police. They'll help you and they'll take a statement,'" he recalled.

Parents not impressed

With that, the bike thieves got away and Doleman walked home to tell his parents what happened.
Shelly Hanson, Matthew's mother, noted that the officers did not say they were on another, higher-priority, assignment. She wonders what youngsters should do when they need police assistance.

"Are they allowed to go up to them and say, 'This is going on, Can you help me?'" Hanson told CBC News. "Or are they going to be told: 'No go home?'"

A spokeswoman for the Regina Police Service refused to answer questions about the incident involving Doleman.

Police actions defended

Elizabeth Popowich nevertheless defended police officers in general, saying they must assess situations on a case-by-case basis.
Regina Police spokeswoman Elizabeth Popowich says officers make case-by-case judgments on how to respond to citizen requests.(CBC)

"Including what sort of condition the victim may be in. Whether the event has just occurred and whether or not the officer is off to something more urgent," Popowich told CBC News.

Doleman said he would still try to talk to police if a similar situation arose again. But he said he would not have high expectations of the officers.

"Maybe they'll do something about it, maybe they won't," he said.

Hanson said she thought about making a formal complaint about what happened, but decided not to.

"I was gonna go in and talk to them and say. 'This isn't right,' but then I thought: Well, I've talked to quite a few people, my neighbours and stuff, and they say, 'What good will it do?'"

Very very deep. Also empty.
 

petros

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I like the idea that you flag down the police, and they tell you to call the police.
But they are there to help you at all cost anytime, anywhere. My mom and TV told me so.

And some people only read and see what fits their agenda and skip over the rest.....:roll:
Like what? The paragraph above that line thats say their duty as an officer is to is to follow order of the dept? Keep reading.

:roll:
 

YukonJack

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I like the idea that you flag down the police, and they tell you to call the police.

Could you provide a newspaper article, a video, names, or even an anecdotal evidence that that happened or are you just - unsuccessfully - trying to be funny.

Look to petros for an appreciative audience, but don't give up your day time job to become a comic.
 

petros

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Could you provide a newspaper article, a video, names, or even an anecdotal evidence that that happened or are you just - unsuccessfully - trying to be funny.

Look to petros for an appreciative audience, but don't give up your day time job to become a comic.
Police blowoff upsets bike theft victim


Matthew Doleman, 13, tried to get police officers to help during a theft in progress, but was told to phone the police station. (CBC)

A Regina teenager who tried to alert police to a theft in progress is upset that the culprits who stole his bicycle got away while the officers advised the boy to phone the police station.
The theft took place a week ago, on Matthew Doleman's 13th birthday.

The youngster had spent the summer working odd jobs to save enough money for his bike.
'I told them I needed their help because my bike has just been stolen.'—Theft victim Matthew Doleman, 13
It was taken while Doleman and some friends were playing in a park. He says they saw the thieves take off with his bike.

"It was just the bike they got and then they took off down the street," Doleman told CBC News on Thursday. "I decided to borrow my friend's bike to ride and see if I could find them."

Within a few minutes, Doleman said, he spotted his stolen bike and the rider about a block away. He also happened to see a Regina police cruiser.

"Then I seen these two police officers and I pulled them over and I told them what happened," Doleman said. "I told them I needed their help because my bike has just been stolen."

Doleman said the reaction was not what he expected.

"They were like, 'Oh. Just go call the police. They'll help you and they'll take a statement,'" he recalled.

Parents not impressed

With that, the bike thieves got away and Doleman walked home to tell his parents what happened.
Shelly Hanson, Matthew's mother, noted that the officers did not say they were on another, higher-priority, assignment. She wonders what youngsters should do when they need police assistance.

"Are they allowed to go up to them and say, 'This is going on, Can you help me?'" Hanson told CBC News. "Or are they going to be told: 'No go home?'"

A spokeswoman for the Regina Police Service refused to answer questions about the incident involving Doleman.

Police actions defended

Elizabeth Popowich nevertheless defended police officers in general, saying they must assess situations on a case-by-case basis.
Regina Police spokeswoman Elizabeth Popowich says officers make case-by-case judgments on how to respond to citizen requests.(CBC)

"Including what sort of condition the victim may be in. Whether the event has just occurred and whether or not the officer is off to something more urgent," Popowich told CBC News.

Doleman said he would still try to talk to police if a similar situation arose again. But he said he would not have high expectations of the officers.

"Maybe they'll do something about it, maybe they won't," he said.

Hanson said she thought about making a formal complaint about what happened, but decided not to.

"I was gonna go in and talk to them and say. 'This isn't right,' but then I thought: Well, I've talked to quite a few people, my neighbours and stuff, and they say, 'What good will it do?'"
 

DaSleeper

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But they are there to help you at all cost anytime, anywhere. My mom and TV told me so.


Like what? The paragraph above that line thats say their duty as an officer is to is to follow order of the dept? Keep reading.

:roll:
And you....very conveniently missed the word OR in
(i) obey a lawful order of a supervisor of the police officer,
or
(ii) perform his or her duties as a police officer,
(two separate mandates)
Because it doesn't fit your perspective....

Now you can argue with yourself....Bye
 

petros

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perform his or her duties as a police officer,

What are his/her duties? Follow orders from the dept or follow your orders?


Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
I like the idea that you flag down the police, and they tell you to call the police.
Could you provide a newspaper article, a video, names, or even an anecdotal
evidence that that happened or are you just - unsuccessfully - trying to be
funny.

Look to petros for an appreciative audience, but don't give up your day time job
to become a comic
.

You doing the Yuk Yuk's circuit? Is Pukon Jerk the opening gig?
 

YukonJack

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In response to post #96:

Thanks, petros, I needed that. A bit of humble pie is a very nutritious diet.

Could it be that the police might have had a call to something more important? You know, set by PRIORITY? Like a robbery? Or to a kidnapping? Or to a burglary? Or a theft of a car worth more than $10.79 (?) like the boy's bicycle?

I am totally overwhelmed, almost brought to tears by the power and potency of the article you quoted, supporting your argument.
 

petros

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In response to post #96:

Thanks, petros, I needed that. A bit of humble pie is a very nutritious diet.

Could it be that the police might have had a call to something more important? You know, set by PRIORITY? Like a robbery? Or to a kidnapping? Or to a burglary? Or a theft of a car worth more than $10.79 (?) like the boy's bicycle?

I am totally overwhelmed, almost brought to tears by the power and potency of the article you quoted, supporting your argument.
How busy could thay possibly have been if they had tinme to stop and talk to the kid? Do their cruisers not have radios and laptops to call dispatch to send a cruiser who is available?

If they they were on a high priority call they would have drove right on by and not stopped at all.

Maybe if it was a white kid.....