Ahhh gee.....lifes a bitch and then ya die. Must be a bitch when your opposition isn't as stupid as you think and see's through trying to push through a private members bill instead of the gov't doing it.....lol
Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill
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Ahhh gee.....lifes a bitch and then ya die. Must be a bitch when your opposition isn't as stupid as you think and see's through trying to push through a private members bill instead of the gov't doing it.....lol
This is a minority Parliament, and it is quite normal for minority governments to use private member's bills to pass legislation, because PMB are traditionally NOT whipped, therefore everyone can vote their conscience.
According to the last EKOS poll (a pollster in the Liberal's pockets, BTW) only 31% of Canadians wanted to keep the registry, while 38% wanted to dump it.........the rest couldn't care less.
CBC News - Canada - Canadians split over long-gun registry: poll
People realize it is useless, expensive, idiotic, and such a mess it is not admissible in court........why bother?????
Actually, Ignatief is proving he is an idiot..........people that want the registry gone VOTE the issue.........he is risking three seats, at the very least. One in the Yukon, the other two in Newfoundland. If he had a brain, he would have simply STFU and let the vote take it's course........
It's a win-win for the Conservatives.
it really matters not what the "tradition" is. When the government uses PMB's to attempt to pass, in what reality is, government sponsored bills. They or anyone else should not be surprised that the opposition decides to "whip" on some of those bills. Especially something as controversial as the gun registry. Your own numbers show no clear majority and in fact show a VERY split and complacent electorate when it comes to the Long Gun Registry.
The firearms registry is a worthless money pit. Any legislation that only modifies it is ridiculous and just as worthless.
The cost of the long-gun registry is approximately nine cents, per person, per year.
This, considering the thousands of time per day the registry is accessed by our police forces, is well worth it. I would be more than happy to know that my annual nine-cent contribution helped our police forces to gather relevant information when heading into a case.
This, considering the thousands of time per day the registry is accessed by our police forces, is well worth it. I would be more than happy to know that my annual nine-cent contribution helped our police forces to gather relevant information when heading into a case.
The ironic part is that is great for law abiding citizens...what about the criminals with unregistered guns or traceable?
The crappy part of law is there seems to be another system for criminals.
- https://www.cfi-icaf.ca/files/OnTarget/OnTarget_Mar10.htm#7
Add the cost of interest on the initial startup and it's even higher than $2.67/person/year.
It is not a matter of cost in dollars and cents but a matter of cost in freedom. Anyone who is willing to surrender liberty for security deserves neither.
This says it all..........
CBC News - The National - Rex Murphy
You'll find the appropriate vid on the right of the screen "Ignatieff's gun goof"
CBC News - The National - Rex Murphy
You'll find the appropriate vid on the right of the screen "Ignatieff's gun goof"
So you don't mind blowing almost 2.5 billion for practically nothing?
You don't think a lot of long gun owners feel free enough to keep them?
I don't always agree with Murphy, but I do agree with him this time. And I'd like to add that Iggy's idea would make the registry completely dependent on the federal budget sans any input from fees and licenses. Does Iggy explain where the money would come from? No. But if he follows Martin's footsteps, I bet we'd see another reduction in federal health care and education funding.
Nobody, including the Conservative Party, is proposing to scrap the entire registry; only the requirement to register long-guns (which, once again, would save about nine cents per person).
I don't think you're getting my point, I was responding to 5P's post, not yours. Any argument that it is money well spent if "it saves just one life", or that it is cheap insurance if you divide it up "per person", are misleading myths perpetuated by those who favour the Firearms Act in its present form. What I'm saying is that it's not just about wasted money.
No I don't. I know a large number of former long gun, and handgun owners who gave up, gave away, or sold their firearms either in the run up to this legislation or since its inception. Police in this province have announced "amnesties" where folks can turn in their firearms, (without compensation) no questions asked, and the police are very proud to publlicize the positive response. This too is a crock because people can do that anytime anyway.
Privacy is a cornerstone of liberty; the firearms act not only invades privacy but also limits one's access to tools required to defend life and liberty. If the much touted saying, "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" were true, people like Wendy Cukier would be forthcoming and disclose how much money, our money, her group and others were paid by the former Liberal government to lobby for this legislation, (it is suspected at approximately $380,000 for her group alone). Everyone has something to hide, but we live in an increasingly busyboby society, which does not bode well for freedom.
It's a simple registration of a product like a car one buys it and registers it.
What's the big deal?
What's the big deal?
Why give the goverment one more think to track you by? How big a goverment do you want, geez they do everything but tuck you in at night.
so you don't mind the government tracking you by a registered car or a hunting license?