Arizona's Immigration Law
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Sounds good- they may want to post some signs the border in English and Spanish just so everyone is fairly warned. It's actually long overdue.
There are already attempts to organize boycotts of Arizona and Arizona produced goods and commodities. I think Arizona took a courageous step and called the US government out for its failure to defend and protect it's citizens from the crime sprees raging in that state right now. Arizona leads the US in kidnappings and most of those are related to illegal aliens and drug trafficking. Hopefully there will now be some productive discussion about this topic which will bring some positive results plus relief for those caught up in the high rate crime zones. I live in a predominantly agricultural community and there are many immigrants living here who went throught the process and are here legally. One told me today the illegals are even a threat to him and his family. Hopefully some adjoining states will also pass similar legislation to get the Congress moving on this question. It will be interesting to see how the US Attorny General will proceed in charging this state with calling to attention the failure of the federal government to do it's job?
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Association of Immigration and Nationality Lawyers was the first organization to cancel its convention in Arizona. San Francisco mayor has banned all travel to Arizona. No doubt more boycotts will follow.
What is surprising is that Rubio, the Tea Party senate candidate from Florida, one of the most extreme of Republicans around, has not come out in support of the bill, he does not like the bill. Some national Republican figures (Jeb Bush among them) have also come out against the bill.
This bill poses a difficult problem for Republicans. Their natural hatred, natural revulsion of brown skin makes them want to support the legislation. However, they are aware of the political realities. Hispanic is a large and growing minority and Republicans can ill afford to offend them. Looks like Arizona law may cause a serious rift in the Republican Party.
It will be interesting to see if Tea Party comes out in support of the legislation. Teabaggers are always yapping about too much government intrusion in peoples’ lives, getting government out of peoples’ business etc., in a mealy mouthed way. Well, this is the ultimate intrusion in the life of Hispanics. You may be sure that police are not going to pull over a blue eyed blonde and ask her for her papers. They will pull over only Hispanic looking, brown skinned people and harass them about papers.
So if teabaggers are true to their principles, they will come out strongly against the legislation. But then my theory is the Tea Party is simply the extreme right wing Republican base, so I assume they will be all for the legislation.
Anyway, it is amusing to see Republican party squirm over this one.
What is surprising is that Rubio, the Tea Party senate candidate from Florida, one of the most extreme of Republicans around, has not come out in support of the bill, he does not like the bill. Some national Republican figures (Jeb Bush among them) have also come out against the bill.
This bill poses a difficult problem for Republicans. Their natural hatred, natural revulsion of brown skin makes them want to support the legislation. However, they are aware of the political realities. Hispanic is a large and growing minority and Republicans can ill afford to offend them. Looks like Arizona law may cause a serious rift in the Republican Party.
It will be interesting to see if Tea Party comes out in support of the legislation. Teabaggers are always yapping about too much government intrusion in peoples’ lives, getting government out of peoples’ business etc., in a mealy mouthed way. Well, this is the ultimate intrusion in the life of Hispanics. You may be sure that police are not going to pull over a blue eyed blonde and ask her for her papers. They will pull over only Hispanic looking, brown skinned people and harass them about papers.
So if teabaggers are true to their principles, they will come out strongly against the legislation. But then my theory is the Tea Party is simply the extreme right wing Republican base, so I assume they will be all for the legislation.
Anyway, it is amusing to see Republican party squirm over this one.
Enforcement of the immigration law is a Federal prerogative, not one for the states. This law is an illegal intrusion into the lives of citizens. So why haven't the anti-government Tea Baggers complained about it if they are so "principled"?
Oh by the way, six conventions that were scheduled in Arizona have been cancelled as have other events due to the newly created boycott. This stupid law is going to hurt the state. They better shape up and soon if they want to survive financially.
Oh by the way, six conventions that were scheduled in Arizona have been cancelled as have other events due to the newly created boycott. This stupid law is going to hurt the state. They better shape up and soon if they want to survive financially.
30% of the population of Arizona is of Hispanic ancestry. There are elections in about six months. Interestingly enough election information in Arizona is given in both English and Spanish. If the party that passed this bill is still in power after November 2, then Arizonans deserve the sort of moronic government it already has.
This article should remind everyone that what's good for the goose is good for the gander:
Michelle Malkin
Michelle Malkin
Ya, I'm going to say it...
Who cares, racially profile all brown skinned folk.
Seriously! There's an issue here. South American immigrants are entering the country illegally. If it were white folk, blue folk or plaid folk illegally entering the US, I would say profile them too. Check every single one of them. Whether they're walking down the street, sitting in a local bar or milling around the local Home Depot with a tool belt.
It's time to crack down on it. Period.
Who cares, racially profile all brown skinned folk.
Seriously! There's an issue here. South American immigrants are entering the country illegally. If it were white folk, blue folk or plaid folk illegally entering the US, I would say profile them too. Check every single one of them. Whether they're walking down the street, sitting in a local bar or milling around the local Home Depot with a tool belt.
It's time to crack down on it. Period.
The problem with this is that legitimate citizens of the US are going to get caught up in harassment from the cops. Do Americans of Mexican descent have to carry papers as well to prove that they are a citizen? I never carry ID on me, I would would quite bothered if all of a sudden I had to produce ID on demand without cause.
What is the difference....asking people for Citizenship papers when caught on suspicion of committing a crime.....or Obama's plan of asking everyone to prove they ha health insurance or face fines....wait till the NAACP start climbing the walls when the revenue people start asking Blacks and Latinos for Those paper...
Having to carry citizenship papers sounds rather gestaposih to me. I can understand a non-citizen immigrant having papers to prove they are in the country legally but expecting the same of citizens, particularity citizen of a certain skin hue seems rather discriminatory.
I always carry my wallet with me, because I never know when I can see an irresistable bargain. My wallet is big enough to hold some money, my driver's licence as well as my citizenship card.
I have been stopped by cops around Christms and New Year without any real reason, just because of the RIDE program. I had nothing to hide, I was sober, and I never resented to comply with the law, that enpowered the police to check for impared drivers. I never considered myself a victim, and I never likened Police to Nazis.
Isn't being in a country illegally ILLEGAL??
I have been stopped by cops around Christms and New Year without any real reason, just because of the RIDE program. I had nothing to hide, I was sober, and I never resented to comply with the law, that enpowered the police to check for impared drivers. I never considered myself a victim, and I never likened Police to Nazis.
Isn't being in a country illegally ILLEGAL??
Besides the fact you just never know when you are going to have a medical emergency or are found somewhere in a coma.
Actually Durka, you are already obligated to identify yourself to the authorities. If they have reasonable grounds to believe you match a description, believe you are committing or have committed a crime. Or the Police are looking for someone in particular.
In this case, they are looking for someone in particular, illegal immigrants. It just so happens that the issue pertains to a specific group of immigrants. Thus visual appearance is a factor.
If you are a legal immigrant in Arizona, get some ID and you'll be fine. Given the severity of the problem, this is a reasonable course of action.
This is what happens when civil rights trumps commonsense for to long. Just as the US has to expect blowback for erroneous foreign policy. Immigrants and civil liberty groups, have to expect blowback when there actions create intolerable situations.
Another article about common sense:
Arizona’s Ugly but Necessary Immigration Law - Jonah Goldberg - National Review Online
Arizona’s Ugly but Necessary Immigration Law - Jonah Goldberg - National Review Online
And what if here in Canada we had an immigration problem with short North Korean dictators, with bad hair, and we enacted similar legislation? Would you consider carrying your ID then? ;-)