Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill
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Define usefulness? Obviously solving or preventing crimes are not included in that definition.
As stated by Chief William Blair, President of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police:
“The registry is vitally important for police all across this country. As of June 30, the average daily rate of Canadian police queries to the Canadian Firearms Registry Online is 10,304, covering the entire spectrum of policing.
Some of the most important queries are about domestic violence calls, which every police service in Canada receives. The registry allows us to check for the presence of household firearms – a vital piece of information for protecting victims, as well as the responding officers.
This is not a regional issue. It is not an issue between big cities and small towns. It is not about hunters and sportsmen, collectors and enthusiasts. It is not about politics.
It is about public safety. It is about giving police the information to deal with the danger posed by a firearm in the wrong hands. It is about responsible gun ownership. Consider the following words from Canadian police officials[...]
It's unfortunate that the overwhelming public safety argument in favour of the registry is sometimes obscured by issues of cost overruns and budgetary inefficiencies. Any financial laxity is unacceptable, and there can be no question that the registry has cost far more than it should. While we must always ensure public money is spent prudently, we should not be diverted from the most important points: The registry has made Canada a safer country. The registry has saved lives.
We lose it at our peril.”
No, making this a confidence vote would not be right........it is a Private Member's Bill........
I assume some Liberals will simply not be in attendance at the vote, and some with cojones may even attend and vote for the Bill in defiance of Iggy........there is still a good chance it will pass.
Then again, lets see some hard data. How many domestic violence incidents escalated into someone being shot with a long gun, before and after implementation of the database?
Haha, three-line whips have been used throughout parliamentary democracies forever. I love when the ‘undemocratic’ tag is thrown around by conservatives; the same conservatives who would so readily vote down minority rights and freedoms in the name of ‘democracy’; the same conservatives who would shut down parliamentary proceedings, and filibuster and obstruct, in the name of ‘democracy’.
For those Members here (interested in the Topic, but not swimming in
the day to day maneuvering of Parliament, & its terminology), here's the
Wikipedia definition of "Whip" as it pertains to politics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whip_(politics)
A whip is a role in party politics whose primary purpose is to ensure control
of the formal decision-making process in a parliamentary legislature. Whips
are party 'enforcers', who typically offer both inducements and punishments to
party members. In modern times, most whips are concerned primarily with
ensuring a desired attendance for an important vote. The usage comes from
the hunting term whipping in, i.e. preventing hounds from wandering away
from the pack.
Because legislatures typically only require a majority of the quorum in attendance,
a majority party can be outvoted if a large number of its legislators are absent and
the opposition is in full attendance. An important part of a government whip's job is
to ensure that this situation never arises; sufficient majority legislators must keep
party attendance close enough to equality that the majority is slim, and the quorum
cannot be busted by the departure of the minority legislators.
EDIT TO ADD:
The consequences for defying the party whip depend on the circumstances and are
usually negotiated with the party whip in advance. The party whip's job is to ensure
the outcome of the vote, so the situation is different and more important for a party
which holds the majority, because if their members obey the whip they can always
win. They can make allowances for MPs who are away on important business,
whose political circumstances require them to take a particular single issue very
seriously, or if there is a mass revolt. Theoretically at least, expulsion from the party
is automatically consequent from defying a three-line whip.
the day to day maneuvering of Parliament, & its terminology), here's the
Wikipedia definition of "Whip" as it pertains to politics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whip_(politics)
A whip is a role in party politics whose primary purpose is to ensure control
of the formal decision-making process in a parliamentary legislature. Whips
are party 'enforcers', who typically offer both inducements and punishments to
party members. In modern times, most whips are concerned primarily with
ensuring a desired attendance for an important vote. The usage comes from
the hunting term whipping in, i.e. preventing hounds from wandering away
from the pack.
Because legislatures typically only require a majority of the quorum in attendance,
a majority party can be outvoted if a large number of its legislators are absent and
the opposition is in full attendance. An important part of a government whip's job is
to ensure that this situation never arises; sufficient majority legislators must keep
party attendance close enough to equality that the majority is slim, and the quorum
cannot be busted by the departure of the minority legislators.
EDIT TO ADD:
The consequences for defying the party whip depend on the circumstances and are
usually negotiated with the party whip in advance. The party whip's job is to ensure
the outcome of the vote, so the situation is different and more important for a party
which holds the majority, because if their members obey the whip they can always
win. They can make allowances for MPs who are away on important business,
whose political circumstances require them to take a particular single issue very
seriously, or if there is a mass revolt. Theoretically at least, expulsion from the party
is automatically consequent from defying a three-line whip.
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This guy is out in left field.......just to begin with, every owner of firearms has to be licensed, a compromise the vast majority of gun owners do not resent......that license is attached to an address, and the fact that a licensed gun owner lives at a specific address is available to police without any registration at all...........that simple fact shows this gentleman is WAY off-base.....
If this guy believes this is NOT an urban - rural issue....he simply isn't dealing with reality.
As for police queries?
TEN MYTHS ABOUT THE LONG-GUN REGISTRY
The registry can NOT be shown to have made Canada a safer place.....I challenge you to do so......
And finally, a place where the police make law is called a Police State.........a very significant number of police would dance with joy if the Charter of Rights was publically burned on Parliament Hill.....
Ignatieff seems to have a tin ear for determining the real concerns of the Canadian people. The long gun registry has been a completely ineffective and cosmetic attempt to appear to be fighting crime. I doubt a single life has been saved by this registry, and it has likely turned huge swaths of the Canadian public into criminals for failing to register.
Crime is committed by handguns, reasonable controls on their ownership and use is appropriate, including registration. Long rifles are used for hunting, not for crime.
Ignatieff seems intent on alienating rural and conservative elements of his own party, as he did when he attempted to insert mandatory abortion and contraception 'rights' for the developing world into the agenda of the G8, which led to a rebellion against him in his own party.
Ignatieff is increasingly proving himself a highly intelligent, ivory tower intellectual, without a common touch or sense. He appeals to urban liberals, and alienates everyone else, social conservatives, economic nationalists, strong federalists.. all of which used to have a seat at the Liberal Party table.. but now are looking elsewhere.
I used to think a Prime Minister Ignatieff was inevitable... not anymore.
Crime is committed by handguns, reasonable controls on their ownership and use is appropriate, including registration. Long rifles are used for hunting, not for crime.
Ignatieff seems intent on alienating rural and conservative elements of his own party, as he did when he attempted to insert mandatory abortion and contraception 'rights' for the developing world into the agenda of the G8, which led to a rebellion against him in his own party.
Ignatieff is increasingly proving himself a highly intelligent, ivory tower intellectual, without a common touch or sense. He appeals to urban liberals, and alienates everyone else, social conservatives, economic nationalists, strong federalists.. all of which used to have a seat at the Liberal Party table.. but now are looking elsewhere.
I used to think a Prime Minister Ignatieff was inevitable... not anymore.
CBC News - Canada - Canadians split over long-gun registry: poll
The most recent reputable poll on the issue.........
The most recent reputable poll on the issue.........
CBC News - World - Defending the right to pack a pistol to the mall
Sigh...if only.......
And while we're at it.....the Conservative target 8 Liberal ridings in the debate.....
Ads target rogue Grits over gun registry | Canada | News | Toronto Sun
And a CPC MP apologizes over an angry news release.....
Tory sorry for Ignatieff attack remark | Canada | News | Toronto Sun
And lastly, I wonder if this guy's gun was registered?????
Gunshot scatters marijuana protesters | Toronto & GTA | News | Toronto Sun
Sigh...if only.......
And while we're at it.....the Conservative target 8 Liberal ridings in the debate.....
Ads target rogue Grits over gun registry | Canada | News | Toronto Sun
And a CPC MP apologizes over an angry news release.....
Tory sorry for Ignatieff attack remark | Canada | News | Toronto Sun
And lastly, I wonder if this guy's gun was registered?????
Gunshot scatters marijuana protesters | Toronto & GTA | News | Toronto Sun
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MUCH better...
This guy is out in left field.......just to begin with, every owner of firearms has to be licensed, a compromise the vast majority of gun owners do not resent......that license is attached to an address, and the fact that a licensed gun owner lives at a specific address is available to police without any registration at all...........that simple fact shows this gentleman is WAY off-base.....
If this guy believes this is NOT an urban - rural issue....he simply isn't dealing with reality.
As for police queries?
TEN MYTHS ABOUT THE LONG-GUN REGISTRY
The registry can NOT be shown to have made Canada a safer place.....I challenge you to do so......
And finally, a place where the police make law is called a Police State.........a very significant number of police would dance with joy if the Charter of Rights was publically burned on Parliament Hill.....
The Conservative MP who brought this private members bill must have access to the same coke dealer as the other Conservative member.
The president of the police chiefs association Bill Blair said that the long gun database is accessed by police all accross the nation more than ten thousand times a day.
The long gun registry must stay.
Bill Blair is obviously misleading the general public....not much wonder, as his boss, David Miller, is the greatest anti-gun moron ever to walk the streets of Toronto.
BTW, Liberalman, I know you are simply a troll pretending to be a compleye moron.......but occasionally the play gets tiring.......you can read, can't you???
I just sent the CPC $100. Every time I give up on them, decide I'm done with them, the Liberals come out with something elso SO outrageous that I have to reach for my chequebook.........
Minimum $25 million according to the gov't in 2004. Is the registry effective? No.
StateMaster - Encyclopedia: Canadian gun registry
Paying >$25 million for something that isn't effective is just stupid.
That's nothing apparently, what's $25 million per year when you have dumped over a billion into it already? :roll:
Access is one thing, accurate information from the access is another. People have registered paint strippers, blow driers, BB guns, cap guns, starter pistols, etc. Yup, that's definitely beneficial info for the cops. Do you actually know any cops and have asked them if they get any useful info from the registry? I doubt it.