It's time to bring the death penalty back!

[talloola]

That is easy, JLM. There is empirical evidence for it. USA is the only developed country to have death penalty (with the exception of Japan) and it has the highest murder rate than any developed country.

Even within USA, the states which have death penalty have higher murder rates than states without death penalty.

So there is plenty of empirical evidence to think that death penalty contributes to murder rate. Now, is there any reason to link the two? There most certainly is. Death penalty cheapens the value of life; it coarsens the society towards life. If government itself kills its citizens, that tells the people that life is not all that valuable.

If something is declared as having a low value by the government, it is logical, reasonable to suppose that people will imitate the government.

So there is empirical and logical evidence to tell us that death penalty may indeed lead to increase in crime rate.

how about a breakdown of all of the states who 'do' have
the death penalty and those who 'do not'.
What are the differences of 'types' of people living within
those states, and where are they located.

I'm assuming without knowing that texas and florida have
the death penalty, and washington state and all of the
northern 'border' states do not. Just guessing, would like
to know which ones do and don't, and that california does
not, and new york does not, tell me if I'm wrong on any of
them. I would guess that many of the 'fundamental conservative christian' states have the death penalty.

Interesting subject. I'm not really sure where I stand,
as I can think of reason 'for' and reasons 'not to'.

 

[JLM]

how about a breakdown of all of the states who 'do' have
the death penalty and those who 'do not'.
What are the differences of 'types' of people living within
those states, and where are they located.

I'm assuming without knowing that texas and florida have
the death penalty, and washington state and all of the
northern 'border' states do not. Just guessing, would like
to know which ones do and don't, and that california does
not, and new york does not, tell me if I'm wrong on any of
them. I would guess that many of the 'fundamental conservative christian' states have the death penalty.

Interesting subject. I'm not really sure where I stand,

as I can think of reason 'for' and reasons 'not to'.

Washington State does have the death penalty. It's basically a few states around the Great Lakes that don't have it and maybe a couple of New England States.

 

[JLM]

Here you go Talloola

As of April 1, 2008, the Death Penalty was authorized by 37 states, the Federal Government, and the U.S. Military. Those jurisdictions without the Death Penalty include 13 states and the District of Columbia. (Alaska, Hawaii, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wisconsin).

 

[talloola]

Washington State does have the death penalty. It's basically a few states around the Great Lakes that don't have it and maybe a couple of New England States.

I'm surprised about washington state. And it is most of the northern states that
don't have it, wonder why, maybe canada has an influence on them, that would be
a switch wouldn't it.

 

[JLM]

I'm surprised about washington state. And it is most of the northern states that
don't have it, wonder why, maybe canada has an influence on them, that would be
a switch wouldn't it.

There was quite a famous case in Washington state several years ago where they were going to hang this guy that weighed about 400 lbs. but they had to call the whole thing off because they came to the conclusion they couldn't hang him without decapitating him. (Can't really see the concern, he's dead either way)

 

[talloola]

There was quite a famous case in Washington state several years ago where they were going to hang this guy that weighed about 400 lbs. but they had to call the whole thing off because they came to the conclusion they couldn't hang him without decapitating him. (Can't really see the concern, he's dead either way)

I have a visual of that event, so, what did they decide
for him.
I can visualize him pulling the whole gallows down, and
everyone with him. Don't have a clue what the gallows
looks like, but am picturing the old western one outside,
with all watching, and the hangman standing on the platform going down with him.
lol

 

[Liberalman]

Indeed. Bring back death penalty and watch our murder rate shoot up, comparable to that in USA.

USA is a bad example because their citizens are allowed to own guns in Canada we have gun control so the the death penalty would create a lower murder rate and keep Canadians safer

 

[Bar Sinister]

Perhaps it is useful to look at murder rates in the US and compare it to states that have the death penalty. Here are a couple of sources.
Murder Rates 1996 - 2008 | Death Penalty Information Center

Deterrence: States Without the Death Penalty Have Had Consistently Lower Murder Rates | Death Penalty Information Center

It seems to me looking at these numbers that the death penalty makes no difference at all on the murder rate.

BTW, Liberalman, since all US states have widespread gun ownership that factor does not really matter when comparing state to state. Perhaps comparing countries with stricter gun control might help. In the source below the countries with lower murder rates than Canada all have stricter gun control with perhaps the exception of Saudi Arabia and Qatar about which I have no information.

Murders (per capita) statistics - countries compared - NationMaster

 

[SirJosephPorter]

" Death penalty cheapens the value of life; " WRONG, it cheapens the value of DEPRAVED life.

That is precisely where we disagree, JLM. A life is a life, depraved or not. It is as wrong to take a depraved life as it is to take an undepraved one.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

how about a breakdown of all of the states who 'do' have
the death penalty and those who 'do not'.
What are the differences of 'types' of people living within
those states, and where are they located.

I'm assuming without knowing that texas and florida have
the death penalty, and washington state and all of the
northern 'border' states do not. Just guessing, would like
to know which ones do and don't, and that california does
not, and new york does not, tell me if I'm wrong on any of
them. I would guess that many of the 'fundamental conservative christian' states have the death penalty.

Interesting subject. I'm not really sure where I stand,
as I can think of reason 'for' and reasons 'not to'.

I am sure death penalty is not the only factor for high murder rates, talloola. There probably are other factors. But I think death penalty is a contributing factor.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I'm surprised about washington state. And it is most of the northern states that
don't have it, wonder why, maybe canada has an influence on them, that would be
a switch wouldn't it.

There are many similarities between New England states and Canada, their worldview is not really all that different. The only Socialist senator in the Senate is from Vermont. New England states would fit in nicely with Canada. The Christian right probably would be happy to get rid of them.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

USA is a bad example because their citizens are allowed to own guns in Canada we have gun control so the the death penalty would create a lower murder rate and keep Canadians safer

And what is your evidence for that, other than your opinion? Show me even one instance where death penalty has reduced murder rate.

 

[Liberalman]

And what is your evidence for that, other than your opinion? Show me even one instance where death penalty has reduced murder rate.

When Canada brings back the death penalty then you will see the positive results

 

[SirJosephPorter]

When Canada brings back the death penalty then you will see the positive results

That means you have no evidence. Well, it ain't happening. Canadian public opinion is heavily against death penalty, most MPs are against it (even many Conservative MPs oppose it) and courts will strike down any attempt at bringing it back.

Unless there is a solid evidence that it reduces crime, I don't see even the debate starting about death penalty.

 

[Northboy]

It is time to bring the death penalty back to Canada. Crime is out of control, and people just aren't getting the message. It is widely accepted that jail time is not an adequate deterrant.

Canada needs to bring back public hangings. A public execution is the only way to ensure that people get the picture.

The time for playing games with justice is over. I propose that Canada bring the death penalty back, and that the scope of crimes punishable by death, be expanded to include corrupt police officers and government officials.

A police officer or civil servant that conspires with private enterprise to commit crime and to cover it up, must face the ultimate penalty. They must be executed in the public square.

It is time to get serious. It is time to leave the words behind and get things done. Corruption cannot and will not be tolerated, and the only good deterrant is death.

Throughout history, kings and corrupt government officials have been beheaded for betraying the people. With the advent of democracy, this insistence that officials be held accountable to the people, has been somehow lost. It's time to bring accountability back to Canada. It's time to bring back the gallows, gas chambers, guilotines, and electric chairs. It's time to rid Canada of corruption. And the time tested public execution is the way to do it.

Off with their heads...

In Canada, could we not just have a "Pillary of Shame"?

The internet gives us ample opportunity.

 

[JLM]

It is time to bring the death penalty back to Canada. Crime is out of control, and people just aren't getting the message. It is widely accepted that jail time is not an adequate deterrant.

Canada needs to bring back public hangings. A public execution is the only way to ensure that people get the picture.

The time for playing games with justice is over. I propose that Canada bring the death penalty back, and that the scope of crimes punishable by death, be expanded to include corrupt police officers and government officials.

A police officer or civil servant that conspires with private enterprise to commit crime and to cover it up, must face the ultimate penalty. They must be executed in the public square.

It is time to get serious. It is time to leave the words behind and get things done. Corruption cannot and will not be tolerated, and the only good deterrant is death.

Throughout history, kings and corrupt government officials have been beheaded for betraying the people. With the advent of democracy, this insistence that officials be held accountable to the people, has been somehow lost. It's time to bring accountability back to Canada. It's time to bring back the gallows, gas chambers, guilotines, and electric chairs. It's time to rid Canada of corruption. And the time tested public execution is the way to do it.

Off with their heads...

A little extreme..........................:lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[Northboy]

There are many similarities between New England states and Canada, their worldview is not really all that different. The only Socialist senator in the Senate is from Vermont. New England states would fit in nicely with Canada. The Christian right probably would be happy to get rid of them.

Hi Sir Joe.

You're absolutely right of course. A human life can be like a storm, but it has to run its course. There's teaching in it for all.
We learn forgiveness....
Human life is full of experiences and those experiences and our response is kept in record for future generations. If we kill we cannot receive the blessings of the "Scarlet Thread". From a practical point of view, but the way you explain it is much better.

 

[ironsides]

There are many similarities between New England states and Canada, their worldview is not really all that different. The only Socialist senator in the Senate is from Vermont. New England states would fit in nicely with Canada. The Christian right probably would be happy to get rid of them.

How many states to you think are predominantly Christian right?
I think New England will go Republican this year, or atleast Democratic conservative.

 

[JLM]

How many states to you think are predominantly Christian right?
I think New England will go Republican this year, or atleast Democratic conservative.

From all I've read about the U.S. I think New England has pretty well always been the most "conservative" part of the U.S. Pretty prim and proper.

 

[taxslave]

That is precisely where we disagree, JLM. A life is a life, depraved or not. It is as wrong to take a depraved life as it is to take an undepraved one.

A depraved life is a cost to taxpayers and with our joke of a justice system there is an extreme risk of reoffending. Honest taxpayers have a right to be safe going about their business and risking a repeat offender is an infringement on that right. Criminals should have no or very few right.