Aw shucks, you caught us...we were just getting know each other better before we got into the meat of this one! ;-)
Shocked? Yes. I couldn't believe we'd be in the 60% range on being in favour of capital punishment...it's astounding, really.
It's time to bring the death penalty back!
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Aw shucks, you caught us...we were just getting know each other better before we got into the meat of this one! ;-)
Shocked? Yes. I couldn't believe we'd be in the 60% range on being in favour of capital punishment...it's astounding, really.
Think of this...if someone owes a DEBT to society but you end their life early before the debt is repaid you legally are now responsible for the DEBT under law. This is why we don't execute. It's cheaper to keep them alive because they are a financial asset to you and I.
Law is ALL about money and nothing more.
The "bench" decides the law right?
Ask yourself this question and set out to answer it on your own:
What is a bench?
Are you referring to a monetary debt or a prison term debt? Mind you, the old cliche "Thirty days or thirty dollars" never made a lot of sense to me. If it's 30 days, it would cost us money. If it was 30 dollars, we'd make money on it.
A bench? A device upon which one sits. (How'd I do?)...
bench
• noun 1 a long seat for more than one person. 2 a long, sturdy work table in a workshop or laboratory. 3 (the bench) the office of judge or magistrate. 4 (the bench) a seat at the side of a sports field for coaches and players not taking part in a game. [SIZE=-1]— ORIGIN[/SIZE] Old English, related to [SIZE=-1]BANK[/SIZE]1.
• noun 1 a long seat for more than one person. 2 a long, sturdy work table in a workshop or laboratory. 3 (the bench) the office of judge or magistrate. 4 (the bench) a seat at the side of a sports field for coaches and players not taking part in a game. [SIZE=-1]— ORIGIN[/SIZE] Old English, related to [SIZE=-1]BANK[/SIZE]1.
Oh, please do carry on then.
I certainly thought so. Being the Conservative I am, law and order is an imnportant topic to me. That said, I would never condone the re-institution of the death penalty. So the fact that so many are definitley in favor of it, and not just for murder but rape as well, certainly made me sit up and pay attention.
Uh, should I be? I'm trying like hell to link this up with the death penalty but it's a stretch. Probably not sharp enough to grasp where you're going here...perhaps a bit of elaboration would help...I know you're making a case, but I don't see it yet.
Yes, I should have mentioned my initial reaction to the rape issue...couldn't actually believe it. What's it telling us, really?
Think of each person in the country as a living asset worth about $5-6 million anually. No person no money.
Well, OK. So if a person is murdered, that's about $5.5 million. If the murderer is put to death, that's another $5.5 million. For a total of $11 million removed from the balance sheet. But the point is...?
Neither do I and it is not like I haven't been trying. I think there is logic here somewhere, isn't there? :?:
Point is an eye for an eye leads to a world of poor blind people and "justice" goes to the bench (bank).
What is justice and what does it mean in law? ORIGIN Old French justise administration of the law, from Latin jus ‘law, right’.
Right? Right to what?
The right to the MONEY.
I'm trying to understand what you're saying, but as someone said in the movie Cool Hand Luke, "What we have here is a failure to communicate."
I have no idea what the point is here vis-a-vis the death penalty...
The guilty offender will be poor and blind? (I would've thought he/she would be dead) If a murderer is put to death, the judge (i.e., the "bench") gets a payoff? Man, you lost me on this one...sorry.
Petros,
Being cryptic with someone who is not familiar with the concepts you are trying to convey is a little too confusing. Perhaps a reference to an article elaborating on the value of and legal ramifications of a "person" would be in order.
http://www.hackcanada.com/canadian/f...mary_croft.pdf
Being cryptic with someone who is not familiar with the concepts you are trying to convey is a little too confusing. Perhaps a reference to an article elaborating on the value of and legal ramifications of a "person" would be in order.
http://www.hackcanada.com/canadian/f...mary_croft.pdf
If you download the pdf file I linked to in the above post you will get an eye full of what is really going on with the value of a person and what the legal ramifications are of a person. Check you ID. If your name is all caps, it is reference to a legal entity (a person) that is not you as a human being. A person is an asset of the Crown corporation of Canada, and has a monetary value in the form of a trust account that you can access if you know how the game works. The government does not want you to know this stuff and you might think it is a bunch of weirdness, but it is entertaining. I know Mary Croft personally and I can attest that she is legitimate and serious about what she has written. You have nothing to lose but your virginity. ;-)
and the death penalty will do what exactly? Do you really think it's going to deter anyone hell bent on killing someone?
Blaming liberals for these perceived problems you see is lame and you sound like a brain damaged version of Glen Beck.
Oh no. Politics are very real and those big fat pensions they receive are how one goes about legally robbing us blind.
Politics are a real joke! We pay to have these actors pretend that they govern. At least they don't get paid like sports players. We would be bankrupt in no time. Between parliamentary sittings they are off rehearsing their lines for the next sitting and smiling at cameras.
The death penalty fails as a rational form of punishment on several counts.
First, it does not act as a deterrent. If it did then nations like the USA would have much lower murder rates. What is interesting is that in general nations without the death penalty tend to have lower murder rates. Murders (per capita) statistics - countries compared - NationMaster
You might note that nations with high murder rates often tend to have serious social and economic problems that the death penalty does nothing to curb.
Second, in nations offering fair trials, the cost of execution is about six time what it costs to incarcerate a criminal for life.
Third, the death penalty tends to be applied more severely against the poorer members of society - especially racial minorities.
Fourth, a mistaken conviction cannot be reversed.
Fifth, criminals facing the death penalty have little to lose by murdering their victims or violently resisting arrest - they can only be executed once.
Sixth, applying the death penalty more widely will simply lead to more violence on the part of the criminal for the same reason stated in point five. For example, if rape is punishable by death, then the criminal has little to lose by murdering his victim.
Seventh, studies have shown that juries faced with convicting someone who is likely to be executed will often allow a criminal to go free rather than senctence him to death
Eighth, there is as yet no truly humane method of execution.
First, it does not act as a deterrent. If it did then nations like the USA would have much lower murder rates. What is interesting is that in general nations without the death penalty tend to have lower murder rates. Murders (per capita) statistics - countries compared - NationMaster
You might note that nations with high murder rates often tend to have serious social and economic problems that the death penalty does nothing to curb.
Second, in nations offering fair trials, the cost of execution is about six time what it costs to incarcerate a criminal for life.
Third, the death penalty tends to be applied more severely against the poorer members of society - especially racial minorities.
Fourth, a mistaken conviction cannot be reversed.
Fifth, criminals facing the death penalty have little to lose by murdering their victims or violently resisting arrest - they can only be executed once.
Sixth, applying the death penalty more widely will simply lead to more violence on the part of the criminal for the same reason stated in point five. For example, if rape is punishable by death, then the criminal has little to lose by murdering his victim.
Seventh, studies have shown that juries faced with convicting someone who is likely to be executed will often allow a criminal to go free rather than senctence him to death
Eighth, there is as yet no truly humane method of execution.
