Canada Pays More For Monarchy Than UK

[dumpthemonarchy]

Then instead of whining about it, come up with a viable alternative, and since costs seem to be one of your sore points, also show how your alternative will do as good or better a job for less cost to the people of Canada.

Come up with a viable alternative? That's it? Sure, millions of dollars is a big deal, we're in a recession, if you haven't heard. I could do the job much better for much less.

Replacing someone who does nothing substantial shouldn't be a problem. Time to take power away from our patronizing establishment and elect the new GG. Trust Cdns to think of something much better.

 

[gerryh]

Twice, BC has had a referendum on a different voting system, proportional I believe, twice it has been soundly defeated.

Now, considering that the population of one province will not change the way their reps are ellected, I doubt very much you could convince the population of the Country to completely change thier political system.

 

[gerryh]

Come up with a viable alternative? That's it? Sure, millions of dollars is a big deal, we're in a recession, if you haven't heard. I could do the job much better for much less.

Replacing someone who does nothing substantial shouldn't be a problem. Time to take power away from our patronizing establishment and elect the new GG. Trust Cdns to think of something much better.

In otherwords, you have nothing.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Could get rid of the monarchy and go for a democratic republic. I know one that works and it's a lot more stable than what we have. It's also a great deal more democratic than what we have.

Sure democratic republic works, there is no reason why it shouldn’t. But again, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Replacing someone who does nothing substantial shouldn't be a problem. Time to take power away from our patronizing establishment and elect the new GG. Trust Cdns to think of something much better.

That would be exactly the problem. There will be perhaps 10 or 15 alternatives proposed, with no agreement on any of them. Different people will have different ideas as to what monarchy should be replaced with. Ontario and Alberta will almost certainly disagree. Quebec probably will have is own idea and will threaten with separation if it doesn’t get its way.

And since it will probably involve amending the constitution, no political party will touch it with a ten meter poll, they know what happened to Mulroney when he tried to tamper with the constitution.

So I don’t see it happening.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Feast your eyes on this Anna, this was the latest poll I could find. 2 out of 3 Canadians support keeping the gun registry. I would believe this poll much before I will believe your on line poll.

Speaking of polls, here's one that says Canada should dump the monarchy when the current figurehead kicks off. And 53%. say we should do it now.
The number who want to cut ties when Prince Charles takes over? 55%
The number who want to see Prince Charles as king? 20%.

Angus Reid Poll: Monarchy - over half think Canada should break ties with the Queen

Angus Reid Poll: Monarchy - over half think Canada should break ties with the Queen | Angus Reid Strategies​

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Angus Reid Poll: Monarchy - over half think Canada should break ties with the Queen​

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[VANCOUVER - Oct. 1, 2007] - Over half of Canadians do not want the country to retain formal ties to the British monarchy, and about the same number are opposed if Prince Charles becomes king, a new Angus Reid Strategies poll has found.​

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In the online survey of a representative national sample, 53 per cent of respondents think Canada should end its formal ties to the British monarchy.​

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As well, in the event that Prince Charles becomes king of the United Kingdom and Canada, 55 per cent say they support cutting ties to the monarchy. That result is in line with a similar poll from Australia this February, which showed more than half of Australians (51%) would end their ties with Britain if Prince Charles becomes king.​

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And just 20 per cent of Canadians say they want Prince Charles to be king after Queen Elizabeth II, while 35 per cent favour Prince William as the Queen's successor. Twenty-nine per cent say they want no monarch after the Queen.​

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The result is in sharp contrast to numbers from across the Atlantic-British polling from August 2007 shows that over half of Britons (53%) want Prince William to succeed the Queen as King.​

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Quebec is by far the most in favour of cutting ties. Three-in-four Quebec respondents (74%) do not want Canada to be linked to the British monarchy, 71 per cent say the same even if Prince Charles becomes king, and over half (51%) say they want no monarch after the Queen. Manitoba and Saskatchewan also strongly favour ending the relationship with the monarchy-61 per cent want Canada to cut ties, and 36 per cent want no successor to the queen.​

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However, over half of British Columbians (53%) oppose ending Canada's ties to the monarchy, and 41 per cent say the same when presented with Prince Charles as king. Alberta and Ontario are slightly more conflicted, with roughly 40% saying they would cut ties, and the same number saying they would not - however, when Prince Charles is suggested as king, more than half from each province say they do not want ties with the British monarchy.​

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And in all provinces except Quebec and Manitoba, Prince William is the most popular choice to be the next king. Ontario (43%) is especially enthusiastic about the young prince ascending the throne.​

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More men (60%) than women (45%) are in favour of dropping Canada's link to the British monarchy, and the same is true when Prince Charles is presented as the next king. Men also slightly favour having no successor to the queen (35%), while a large number of women (43%) want Prince William to be king next.​

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Canadians 55 and older, those earning less than $50,000 a year, and the university educated are more likely to want to cut Canada's formal ties with the British monarchy. The university educated are split between choosing Prince Charles, Prince William, and no one as the Queen's successor, but all other age groups, incomes, and education levels show roughly one-third favouring Prince William and one-fifth favouring Prince Charles.​

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By political affiliation, over half of the supporters of the Conservative, Liberal, and NDP parties say they would abolish Canada's formal relationship with the British monarchy. A third or more from each party also supports Prince William as the next king.​

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However, Bloc Quebecois voters show particularly strong opposition to ties to the monarchy, and highly prefer no successor to the Queen.​

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More information and detailed breakdown tables on attached PDF.​

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Contact: Mario Canseco, Director of Global Studies​

604-647-3570 or mario.canseco@angus-reid.com​

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[SirJosephPorter]

aaaahhh more assumptions. You are really loaded with them aren't you. Too bad one hasn't hit the mark yet.
Sorry to pop your poor little balloon again, but I don't really like Harpy much.

You surprise me. Too left wing for you?

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

That would be exactly the problem. There will be perhaps 10 or 15 alternatives proposed, with no agreement on any of them. Different people will have different ideas as to what monarchy should be replaced with. Ontario and Alberta will almost certainly disagree. Quebec probably will have is own idea and will threaten with separation if it doesn’t get its way.

And since it will probably involve amending the constitution, no political party will touch it with a ten meter poll, they know what happened to Mulroney when he tried to tamper with the constitution.

So I don’t see it happening.

To add this on our current political morass in Ottawa is a bit much at present. The public hates politics in general, and this is controversial, but just let the cost add up for minimal results might cause some push for it. In addition to paying for undeclared agendas by the elites might get people riled up, perhaps.

Dumping the monarchy would increase democracy, which is what Albertans are always complaining about. Quebec favours dumping the monarchy the most, 77%. I see a possible deal here.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Dumping the monarchy would increase democracy, which is what Albertans are always complaining about. Quebec favours dumping the monarchy the most, 77%. I see a possible deal here.

Was that established by opinion poll? If a majority of Canadians want to get rid of the monarchy, I suppose the first step for anti-monarchists would be to try to initiate a referendum. While non binding, no doubt it will carry some weight.

I remember they had a referendum in Australia, but anti-monarchists lost.

 

[Cannuck]

and how is that any different than what we have now?

For starters, we could get rid of a bunch of Lieutenant Governors and all the trappings that go along with them. That's 100K apiece for salary plus the travel, housing and frills.

 

[gerryh]

For starters, we could get rid of a bunch of Lieutenant Governors and all the trappings that go along with them. That's 100K apiece for salary plus the travel, housing and frills.

and replace them with what?

 

[Cannuck]

Canadians did not oppose gun registry, the opposition was largely concentrated in Alberta. In Ontario and Quebec (and by implication in Canada, since they have such a large percentage of population) there was a huge support for gun registry. That is why opinion polls invariably showed that a majority of Canadians supported gun registry.

Ch 1 Opening Shots

The 1995 passage of Bill C*68 radically changed firearms legislation in Canada. The Justice Minister who authored the bill claimed strong public backing for the tough measures and cited opinion polls to this effect. However, support for this law has been surprisingly modest. Indeed, it was dominated by a very few special groups such as the Chiefs of Police and the Coalition for Gun Control. In contrast, opposition to C*68 was characterized by a large number of grass roots groups. These included provincial wildlife organizations and firearm-owner groups which sprang up in every province and territory in the country. The bulk of letters written to MP's and Senators came from opponents of C*68. Likewise, all of the rallies on the issue were organized by opponents. None were specifically sponsored by groups supporting the bill. How, then, can the appearance of public opinion differ so much from reality?
Surveys of public opinion on gun control have been superficial. Media polls were limited to one or two questions - which cannot adequately assess public opinion. Issues of public policy such as gun control, the Constitution, abortion, or immigration are necessarily complex and involve a number of interrelated issues. Individuals will differ in the extent of their knowledge, and support for a bill is less meaningful if they do not know what the present laws are, nor understand the implications of the proposals. More importantly, individuals whose sole involvement in the issue of gun control was a verbal response during a telephone interview, probably had not have thought much about the issue, and therefore may have no strong commitment to their opinions. Gun owners, who have a personal stake in the outcome of C*68, are more likely to act upon their beliefs.
To examine patterns of support for C*68, the most comprehensive study of attitudes towards gun control that has ever been done in Canada was conducted. An extensive series of questions was administered by professional interviewers at Canadian Facts to a sample of over 1,500 Canadian adults. Interviews were conducted in all provinces in Canada between January 18 and 23, 1995. The survey was funded by the Langley Symposium of Responsible Firearms Owners. In contrast to superficial media polls, the study does not show strong support for C*68. Instead, it found that support for universal firearms registration, the keystone of this law, was astonishingly shallow and based upon widespread and profound ignorance about existing firearms legislation. Almost half of those who said they favoured registration changed their minds when informed of its possible costs. Another finding was that the public did not view gun control to be the solution to criminal violence. Instead, they suggested a variety of changes in the justice system to solve the problem.


Now, back to the topic at hand....

 

[Cannuck]

and replace them with what?

Nothing. I see no reason to have a head of state for each province. One for the country would do fine.

 

[gerryh]

Nothing. I see no reason to have a head of state for each province. One for the country would do fine.

and not a single law that the provincial legislature passed would be signed into law.

 

[s_lone]

I don't think it's as simple as replacing a few words in the Acts of Parliament. If we remove the Monarch as head of state, what is it replaced by?

It's quite simple really. Give the GG the exact same powers the Queen has and bingo! Things just keep on working like they do AND Canada finally grows up to be its own nation!

Coke switched back to the old formula...turns out change isn't always a good thing, despite what the infomercials may have told you.

Well... Old or new formula... Coke remains crap and it's not good for you.

Monarchy may not be causing any problems... it may be working ''fine''... But the principles underlying monarchy are not worthy of the truly modern nation Canada ought to be.

 

[Cannuck]

and not a single law that the provincial legislature passed would be signed into law.

Nonsense. The Canadian Head of State could do it, the PM could do it, the Clerk of the Privy Council could do it, the Premier could do it.......

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Was that established by opinion poll? If a majority of Canadians want to get rid of the monarchy, I suppose the first step for anti-monarchists would be to try to initiate a referendum. While non binding, no doubt it will carry some weight.

I remember they had a referendum in Australia, but anti-monarchists lost.

Yes, that was a scientific Angus Reid poll. One big problem is that our loser Republican organization in Canada sits on its duff and does dick on this issue. Perhaps big biz is paying them off. They are never in the news offering constructive criticism against the monarchy and getting their version out. They do not even have a Vancouver chapter.

A referendum is a little early, there has to be a few years showing opposition to the monarchy. I think many Cdns fear the diehard monarchists too much and want to wait until it seems like a done deal. The monarchists won't ever give up, but when a decent sized majority like say 60%+ arrives, then a referendum could be initiated.

However, our elites do like referendums, but they will be forced to act by then.The trend is clear over 50 years.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

It's quite simple really. Give the GG the exact same powers the Queen has and bingo! Things just keep on working like they do AND Canada finally grows up to be its own nation!

Well... Old or new formula... Coke remains crap and it's not good for you.

Monarchy may not be causing any problems... it may be working ''fine''... But the principles underlying monarchy are not worthy of the truly modern nation Canada ought to be.

That would be a simple start, dump the queen, give the GG the job of head of state and then because the job will mean something, the train will be set in motion to make Canada more modern.

I have a relative who worked as a reporter in Victoria and he occasionally mocked things British at the legislature. It is all a charade. Do you think Gordon Campbell cares about things British as premier? Not at all.

Once we do it, Australia and New Zealand will dump the monarchy too.

 

[gerryh]

Nonsense. The Canadian Head of State could do it, the PM could do it, the Clerk of the Privy Council could do it, the Premier could do it.......

No..... 4 of the 5 you mentioned are federal, they do not have authority in provincial matters. The Premier is just an MLA that has been chosen by his fellow MLA's to lead the government in the legislature, he/she does not have the authority to sign anything into law, anymore than a backbencher does.

 

[Cannuck]

No..... 4 of the 5 you mentioned are federal, they do not have authority in provincial matters.

They don't now but there is absolutely no reason they couldn't be given the authority. Same goes for the Premier.