War is Hell...But it`s Also War

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By Guy Somerset

The US has another public-relations nightmare on its hands in Afghanistan. One would think a war lasting over a decade with no plausible end in sight would be enough of a PR disaster.

This month’s issue of Rolling Stone magazine published numerous photos of American soldiers posed with and in the act of mutilating dead bodies. This followed a similar expose in Der Spiegel a week prior.

In addition to the photographs are firsthand accounts of stomach-churning depravity. Not least of the sickening details are that the targets were both quite young and possibly quite innocent.

Though I am as disgusted by these things as the next person, I am not at all surprised.

I am old enough to know that this was to be entirely expected. Once upon a time, when men were men, women were women, courtesy was courtesy, decorum was decorum, intelligence was intelligence, success was success, failure was failure, and war was war, people knew what to expect from each. Today all those definitions have been jumbled. We are shocked—shocked, I tell you—by the results.

Especially in the case of armed conflict. Sadly, these are precisely the things one should anticipate in wartime.

They have happened before. Many think that such acts didn’t happen because they aren’t shown in the classic propaganda films every month on TCM. Think again.

During World War II (and World War I, and probably as long as there have been wars), soldiers have taken war trophies. Much more often than one would like to think, these have been in the form of body parts.

“It’s long past time people remembered what the word ‘war’ really means.”


For any disbelievers, here is a little ditty from the poet Winfield Townley Scott. It’s called “The US Sailor with the Japanese Skull” and relates the technique for preserving such souvenirs.

Lest one think this was an isolated practice, Edward L. Jones, a war correspondent for Atlantic Magazine in the Pacific, wrote in February 1946: “We boiled the flesh off enemy skulls to make table ornaments for sweethearts, or carved their bones into letter-openers.”

For more personal convincing, look in the local newspaper for the estate auction of any man who served as a soldier in the Far East during the 1930-1945 period of conflict. If you attend half a dozen of them I assure you that you will find a human skull among the detritus of a life lived through war.

One need not confine himself to seeking skulls. Any number of desktop artifacts or general curiosities were made from enemy soldiers’ body parts. President Roosevelt himself was reportedly given a letter-opener made from a Japanese soldier’s arm bone. (To his credit, it was said that he asked it be given a proper burial.) Gold teeth were another popular item to bring home.

Similar monstrosities were perpetrated on a monumental scale, even by the so-called “Greatest Generation.” These are given short shrift or ignored by most elegiacs.


There was Dresden, which was a wooden holding pen of women, children, and the infirm, which the Americans and Brits burned to a crisp. (Henceforth, the Slavs would be warned never to send old women and orphans against the mighty Anglo forces once the war was over. On the flip side, the Soviets proved themselves rightful inheritors to Ivan the Terrible during their months-long rape spree throughout Berlin.)

There was more sordid business in Germany after the war. Good ol’ “Ike” (who may or may not have had Patton murdered, but probably did) decided it would be a good idea for millions of German POWs to do without food. Moreover, he ordered “shoot to kill” on wives and children who tried to sneak the starving men something to eat through the barbed wire after dark. He even denied them the relief parcels sent by the Red Cross! To this day, I’d like to knock the teeth out of that coward’s toothy grin.

Don’t be mistaken: We are to be glad who won was victorious and who lost was defeated. But let us not forget that the two sides were far more reflective of one another than most people today realize. And soldiers in general are more reflective of our basest animal instincts while in combat.

This minor historical lesson is not to denounce or defend. It is merely to elucidate.

Whatever else these current distasteful images from Afghanistan expose, I hope they at least show that once war begins, the “good” and the “evil” blend readily into one another.

This is to be expected when humans are forced for prolonged periods into grossly dehumanizing situations. Even so, there is a difference between recognition and justification.

For a millennium we had a word to describe precisely this atrocious behavior. Ensconced in its meaning were horror, torture, death, robbery, mutilation, remorse, callousness, arson, and brutality. Yet in the past half-century we stupidly thought that by excluding such traits from the word, they would also be bred out of the conduct.

It’s long past time people remembered what the word “war” really means.

Knowing the reality of what it actually entails is the first step toward avoiding it altogether.
 

cromes

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Shhh, its called The War on Terror. The only war that the US Government is terrorising other countries.
 

Colpy

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Shhh, its called The War on Terror. The only war that the US Government is terrorising other countries.

yep. That's right.

It was the USA that destroyed the WTC.

It was the USA that attacked the Spanish trains.

It was the USA that attacked the British buses and rail system.

It was the USA that attacked the nightclub in Bali.

You just keep believing that.....and hopefully the adults will take care of you....

You're welcome.
 

JBeee

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It was and is USA foriegn policy that caused those and future attacks. Live with it.


yep. That's right.

It was the USA that destroyed the WTC.

It was the USA that attacked the Spanish trains.

It was the USA that attacked the British buses and rail system.

It was the USA that attacked the nightclub in Bali.

You just keep believing that.....and hopefully the adults will take care of you....

You're welcome.
 

anticon

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"feed the god of war ( otherwise known as the limbic system) and war will come to you"
mark 4: 34
 

gopher

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''You're welcome.''

LOL! I suppose it was the Nation of Islam that attacked Iraq.

... and Afghanistan.

... and made threats against Iran.

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War is hell? Yeah, but it also makes nifty profits for the wealthy. And we will always have wars as long as there is a profit to be made.
 

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8O:-(Nearly two dozen U.S. special forces troops killed early Saturday in Afghanistan were on a mission to rescue another team of military personnel pinned down by insurgents, a U.S. military official told CNN.



The helicopter that went down in eastern Afghanistan carried 31 Americans, including 22 Navy SEALs, who were part of a "quick reaction force" sent in to pick up others engaged in a fierce firefight, the official said.



Special forces have been conducting almost nightly raids against insurgent targets throughout Afghanistan. Saturday's crash took place in the eastern province of Wardak, an area rife with insurgent activity.

>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Breaking news.

And the horrors of the invasions go on.
 

petros

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I'm of two minds about the wisdom of the troops pulling out of Afghanistan, while these tallibastards continue to wreak mayhem.
Afghanistan has been at war for 100 years. It's their culture, it's never going to end. That is one helluva long time to be "Enduring Freedom".
 

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Afghanistan has been at war for 100 years. It's their culture, it's never going to end. That is one helluva long time to be "Enduring Freedom".

That is my "other mind"- maybe what we have to do is devise some kind of rodent that eats Tallibastards and introduce a few thousand of them into the area. :lol:
 

petros

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That is my "other mind"- maybe what we have to do is devise some kind of rodent that eats Tallibastards and introduce a few thousand of them into the area. :lol:
We have the "world's toughest street gang" training the Afghani police. Hopefully they use what they learned to protect people instead of exploit them.


 

Ocean Breeze

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That is a big loss for the Seal team.

It is TRAGIC. The casualties of these elective invasions just keep adding up while the Gov't that started all this is going through some self induced paralysis of non functionality. Let alone making the decisions that will END these horrors. So easy to rally the nation into a war mode on some emotional basis ......but as time drags on..... it gets harder and harder to deal with the reality these crazy wars have caused.......with no end in sight.
 

taxslave

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yep. That's right.

It was the USA that destroyed the WTC.

It was the USA that attacked the Spanish trains.

It was the USA that attacked the British buses and rail system.

It was the USA that attacked the nightclub in Bali.

You just keep believing that.....and hopefully the adults will take care of you....

You're welcome.

So are you finally admitting that the conspiracy theorists were right?
 

Ocean Breeze

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After Chopper Deaths, Taliban Claims New Weapon

Drone killings make locals loathe occupiers, boost Taliban


Wardak province isn’t a friendly one for foreign troops: the locals loathe the foreign presence and credit the the brutal drone attacks that often kill civilians for the Taliban’s popularity. This past Saturday in the province, the Taliban shot down a helicopter and killed 30 US troops, a translator, and seven Afghan troops on their way to reinforce other troops under fire in a nearby position.

After Chopper Deaths, Taliban Claims New Weapon -- News from Antiwar.com


when things begin to unravel.........but so much of this is US self induced.

Sadr Rejects Extension: US ‘Trainers’ in Iraq Will Be Targets

US Forces That Stay Beyond Deadline to Be Treated as 'Invaders'

by Jason Ditz, August 07, 2011
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Though the Iraqi government looks to be slowly but surely backing off on the December deadline for the US troops to leave Iraq, top cleric and key political leader Moqtada al-Sadr has not, and is ratcheting up threats about the possible remnant forces.
Sadr is now saying that any US troops remaining in the country after December, including “trainers” will be treated as “invaders” and will be considered fair targets for attack. Sadr added that the Iraqi government that would allow them to stay “even for training is a weak government.


Sadr Rejects Extension: US ‘Trainers’ in Iraq Will Be Targets -- News from Antiwar.com
 

petros

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If somebody is supplying them with MANPADs like a Russian 932K Strela (RPG type surface to air rockets) NATO is ****ed.