Not Guilty........

DaSleeper

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........................................On all but one count!

Landmark terror trial ends in not-guilty verdict on all but one count
(CNN) -- Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani was acquitted Wednesday of all but one count of conspiracy-related charges, in a landmark civilian trial involving the first Guantanamo detainee to be tried in civilian court.

Ghailani was convicted by a federal jury on a charge of conspiracy to destroy buildings and U.S. property, in connection with his role in the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

The trial had been widely considered a testing ground for the Obama administration, which has said that it could try some terrorism suspects outside military tribunals and in civilian courts.

Link=Landmark terror trial ends in not-guilty verdict on all but one count - CNN.com


Obama's house of cards seems to be coming down...........
 

damngrumpy

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I love this Obama's house of Cards you have to be kidding me. These trials and the
system was set up under the former administration. America goes about trying and
capturing people for trial for acts that happened in other countries. This does not
rest at the door of Obama it rests at the front door of the Bush White House. Yes the
current administration is in fact continuing on but the arrests and trial mechanism was
set up long ago, Why do you think they went by military trials, because they knew there
was no precedent in law, to hold these trials in civil courts.
The action would be the same if we started trying Brazilians for crimes against Canadians
in here when the action took place somewhere else in the world. That is going back to the
old days of colonial rule. It is also none of our business what happens outside of our
jurisdiction. Obamas house of cards is certainly not applicable here.
 

Colpy

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I love this Obama's house of Cards you have to be kidding me. These trials and the
system was set up under the former administration. America goes about trying and
capturing people for trial for acts that happened in other countries. This does not
rest at the door of Obama it rests at the front door of the Bush White House. Yes the
current administration is in fact continuing on but the arrests and trial mechanism was
set up long ago, Why do you think they went by military trials, because they knew there
was no precedent in law, to hold these trials in civil courts.
The action would be the same if we started trying Brazilians for crimes against Canadians
in here when the action took place somewhere else in the world. That is going back to the
old days of colonial rule. It is also none of our business what happens outside of our
jurisdiction. Obamas house of cards is certainly not applicable here.

Kinda re-emphasizes the good sense of Monty's instructions to his soldiers in North Africa.....

"Kill the enemy where you find him."
 

DaSleeper

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That was a civilian trial and not a military trial, And wasn't it the Obama administration that decided to hold civilian trials, instead of military trials????
 

Kreskin

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I suppose if it was necessary to stack a trial to get a guaranteed guilty verdict then a real courthouse isn't the place to hold it.
 

gopher

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''house of cards falling down''

The verdict will keep him in jail for at LEAST 20 years and you call that failure? That's yet another pathetic excuse for attacking Obama.
 

Bar Sinister

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I love this Obama's house of Cards you have to be kidding me. These trials and the
system was set up under the former administration. America goes about trying and
capturing people for trial for acts that happened in other countries. This does not
rest at the door of Obama it rests at the front door of the Bush White House. Yes the
current administration is in fact continuing on but the arrests and trial mechanism was
set up long ago, Why do you think they went by military trials, because they knew there
was no precedent in law, to hold these trials in civil courts.
The action would be the same if we started trying Brazilians for crimes against Canadians
in here when the action took place somewhere else in the world. That is going back to the
old days of colonial rule. It is also none of our business what happens outside of our
jurisdiction. Obamas house of cards is certainly not applicable here.

Absolutely. Once again there appears to be an attempt to blame Obama for something that was 100% the fault of the Bush administration. What's next, will they be blaming Obama for the Hurricane Katrina fisaco?
 

bobnoorduyn

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America goes about trying and
capturing people for trial for acts that happened in other countries.

Embassies are considered that country's soil. If a crime were committed at or against a Canadian embassy in, say, India, we would be within our rights to prosecute the offender here. But of course that isn't saying much considering our system is far less harsh than pretty much everywhere else.
 

mentalfloss

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I love this Obama's house of Cards you have to be kidding me. These trials and the
system was set up under the former administration. America goes about trying and
capturing people for trial for acts that happened in other countries. This does not
rest at the door of Obama it rests at the front door of the Bush White House. Yes the
current administration is in fact continuing on but the arrests and trial mechanism was
set up long ago, Why do you think they went by military trials, because they knew there
was no precedent in law, to hold these trials in civil courts.
The action would be the same if we started trying Brazilians for crimes against Canadians
in here when the action took place somewhere else in the world. That is going back to the
old days of colonial rule. It is also none of our business what happens outside of our
jurisdiction. Obamas house of cards is certainly not applicable here.

Lol. Obama getting blamed for Bush's hegemony. It's been a whole 2 years!!

Why hasn't he turned America into Germany yet!?!?
 

Kreskin

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The Obamatons are alive and well;-)
Must be the koolaid...:lol:
It's not a matter of supporting Obama it's wondering what goes through the mind of those who feel he's responsible for the decisions of a civilian court jury or why it's his fault it wasn't administered in a kangaroo court.
 

Praxius

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''house of cards falling down''

The verdict will keep him in jail for at LEAST 20 years and you call that failure? That's yet another pathetic excuse for attacking Obama.

Indeed..... Oh so because it wasn't done through a witch hunt process like what's done in Gitmo, and they actually went through the real process of justice and a fair trial to see that the evidence collected against the accused was shoddy and/or just didn't exist..... because he wasn't found guilty on every single account tossed at him, suddenly the entire system is a failure and it's Obama's fault that people didn't get their revenge factor satisfied.

Maybe the real blame should be held on the idiots who didn't follow what was required when trying to build a case against someone, ie: gather evidence and facts properly, don't taint evidence or use tactics that can not be supported by the law/courts and don't create charges for things you can not prove.

I'm not saying this guy was innocent and all the other charges against him were false..... but if anybody in here has any respect for the justice and law we all are supposed to brag about that makes our societies so wonderful and great and you truly do want people like this guy found accountable for their actions and punished justly....... then they'll accept this as a lesson learned towards what happens in the "Real World" when you go off on witch hunts for people based on hearsay or information you gathered from torture and don't bother to take the time to collect real evidence and present a real case/argument.

That's why our courts and our laws have measures in place for this sort of crap and that's why cases against people based on the above crap generally fail in our courts and laws..... so that innocent people don't get sent off to prison for the rest of their lives based on emotional bias and fear mongering...... and so that guilty people get the punishment they're supposed to get without additional trumped up crap to add on top of what they deserve just so someone can get the satisfaction of making someone suffer more then they should like their suspected victims suffered.

But when you stoop to such a mentality, when you stoop to the same sort of tactics and reasoning as those you finger point as the evil bad guys..... then what separates you from the evil bad guys and what are you truly defending? What makes you or our society any better then those we claim are just out to kill us all, make us all suffer and claim we deserve everything we get?

We send the same message back when we take actions like the above and we curtail our own way of life and the things we believe in due to pure hatred and paranoia.

Seriously..... what's the difference between this guy:

.... Ranting on the tv, spouting ignorant claims, propaganda and arguments just to rile up people and get them angry enough to go do stupid things while believing in stupid things...... compared to this guy:


...... .... Ranting on the tv, spouting ignorant claims, propaganda and arguments just to rile up people and get them angry enough to go do stupid things while believing in stupid things?

Not much difference really, except their fashion sense and the language they speak in.

When you think about it, the US has more in common with their enemies then they realize.
 

gopher

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''When you think about it, the US has more in common with their enemies then they realize.''

Correction if you please: that statement is apropos for the right wing Obama haters on this forum and elsewhere. But not in general for the entire country.
 

Praxius

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''When you think about it, the US has more in common with their enemies then they realize.''

Correction if you please: that statement is apropos for the right wing Obama haters on this forum and elsewhere. But not in general for the entire country.

I understand what you're saying, but let's stop beating around the bush...... Beck and others like him who spout off propaganda and hatred like those in the Al'Q might only represent one side of the US population and thus, not everybody in the US....... but do you seriously think people in the Al'Q and Taliban see it that way?

No..... they see Americans screaming and shouting propaganda, hatred and the wiping out of not just them, but the entire Muslim culture in one way or another.

...... Just as Americans see Al'Q and Taliban shouting propaganda, hatred and the wiping out of not just Republicans, but the entire American culture.

It's not the entire US population doing all of this..... just as it's not the entire Muslim population doing all of this....... but does Propaganda see the difference?

No.... you're either guilty by action or guilty by association of those acting.

While people like Beck are allowed to continue their hatred and spreading of ignorance, people looking in from the outside will see these people gaining a lot of support and believing his crap and thus, gives the impression that either the majority or all of the population supports him and believes what he says...... just like how when many in the US see a video or hear an audio recording from an Al'Q or Taliban leading wing nut spreading their own hatred and ignorance and riling up their listeners, they see these Al'Q and Taliban leaders gain support and followers, so many assume the majority or most Muslims believe or follow what they say...... even though in both cases it's usually only the minority of the population that follows these clowns..... Not the Majority or all.

The problem is that whoever screams the loudest and makes the biggest scene gets the most attention...... so these people in the Al'Q and Taliban, along with their supporters only see people like Bush and Beck spitting hatred...... meanwhile most in the US see Al'Q, Taliban and their supporters spitting hatred too.

Everybody else in the middle.... US citizens with brains and reason and moderate Muslims who don't take their religion as hard-line or literal as the extremists..... all seem to take a back seat while these extremists idiots on both sides make the decisions and take the actions that decide the fate of everybody else..... because they can pump their chests bigger and they can scream louder then the other.

And their moronic followers don't want to actually think..... they're just frustrated and angry with their lives and need someone to take the blame for their problems...... they don't want to think, they just want to follow someone just as angry as they are, whom they can relate to and can tell them what to do...... simply because while on both sides, these people may claim they believe in what they're trying to defend, but in reality, both sides have lost all perspective of what they're trying to defend, don't understand what they're defending and only understand tit for tat and only understand that the people they learned to hate will never change and will always hate them back in an equal fashion.

And when it gets like this, the only solution people like this understand is "It's either us or them."
 
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ironsides

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Indeed.....
Not much difference really, except their fashion sense and the language they speak in.

When you think about it, the US has more in common with their enemies then they realize.

One is serious and the other just a performer making lots of money.
 

DaSleeper

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It's not a matter of supporting Obama it's wondering what goes through the mind of those who feel he's responsible for the decisions of a civilian court jury or why it's his fault it wasn't administered in a kangaroo court.
He is the one along with Eric holder who made the decision to have a civil trial instead of a military tribunal..where the rules of evidence are slightly different.......a fact that everyone seems to be dancing around.
 

gopher

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''He is the one along with Eric holder who made the decision to have a civil trial instead of a military tribunal..where the rules of evidence are slightly different.......a fact that everyone seems to be dancing around.''

You conveniently forgot that Republicans John McCain and Lindsey Graham demanded the closing of Gitmo and having trials in civilian courts.