Get Out of Afghanistan and Everywhere Else

JBeee

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by Jacob G. Hornberger

If there was ever a classic example of a quagmire, it has got to be Afghanistan.

Hey, they’re going on 8 or 9 years of killing the terrorists and just now getting a good start. What began out as a quest to kill or capture Osama bin Laden has morphed into long-term occupation of the country.

Hardly a week goes by without reports of new deaths, including Afghani citizens and U.S. soldiers or allied foreign soldiers.

Yet, despite the constant death toll and the lack of a well-defined mission, the Pentagon insists on the importance of continuing the occupation of Afghanistan.

Why?

Because the Pentagon knows that if the troops were withdrawn from Afghanistan and the Middle East, Americans might well begin asking the questions they should have asked in 1989, when the Berlin Wall came crashing down and the Soviet Empire disintegrated: What do we need a huge standing military force for? What do we need an overseas empire for? What do we need the enormous expanse of military bases across America for? Indeed, what do we need the Pentagon for?

The fact is that despite deeply seeded fears and anxieties that the federal government has succeeded in engendering within the psyches of the American people, there is no nation on earth that has the military capability of invading and occupying the United States. To cross either the Atlantic or Pacific Oceans with an invasion force would require tens of thousands of ships and planes, a capability that is nonexistent among all foreign nations.

Of course, the big bugaboo that the Pentagon now uses to justify its existence (along with the enormous tax burden necessary to sustain its enormous military) is terrorism (as compared to communism, which was the bugaboo prior to the fall of the Berlin Wall and the dismantling of the Soviet Empire).

But the threat of terrorism is a direct result of what the Pentagon did both prior to and after 9/11 as part of its aggressive, interventionist foreign policy in the Middle East. That threat has remained constant, of course, given the continuous killing of people in Iraq and Afghanistan for the last 8 years.

But the Pentagon knows that by withdrawing from Afghanistan and the Middle East, that constant threat of terrorist retaliation plummets. At that point, the only risk of terrorist retaliation would be from some disgruntled person whose family members or friends were killed by the U.S. military sometime in the past. There’s no need for an enormous military to deal with that possibility, and the Pentagon knows it.

If the Pentagon withdrew from the Middle East, military officials know that people might well ask, Why stop there? Why not withdraw from Europe? After all, the Cold War ended long ago. Why not withdraw from Japan. It surrendered soon after the atomic bombs were dropped. Why not withdraw from Korea? The war there ended decades ago. Why not withdraw from Africa? What business do the troops have there?

In fact, the only argument that the Pentagon will have left is the one it was making in 1989 to justify its continued existence: the drug war, especially in Latin America.

The Pentagon knows, however, that there are risks with that justification. One big risk is that people all over the world, including the United States, might finally decide to bring an end to this decrepit old war by legalizing drugs. Reputable and credible people from all over the world are now arguing that that is the only solution to the drug-war horror. In fact, in a move toward legalization Mexico recently legalized possession of small quantities of illicit drugs.

Moreover, the Pentagon knows that one of these days Latin Americans might start asking a discomforting question: If the American people will not permit the U.S. military to wage the war on drugs in the United States, why should Latin Americans permit it to wage the drug war in their countries?

The best way to avoid having Americans asking why we still need a big military force is simply to continue the occupation of Afghanistan. Not only does the occupation provide constant proof that there are still terrorists to kill, it also generates its own never-ending supply of terrorists. The Pentagon knows that under those circumstance people are less likely to question the existence of an enormous military, along with all the hundreds of billions of dollars necessary to support it.
 

talloola

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It is so easy to blame the u.s. for everything, and think that if they got out of
anyplace they are, the whole world would settle down, and all would be happy
and the world would be at peace.
Those who blame the u.s. for everything, seem to think that everyone else
is a victim and so innocent, not so.
It's amazing to me that usama bin laden is given credibility for his murder of
3 thousand people, as though the u.s. deserved it, along with all the people in the
trade center who were from other countries.
It's amazing how ubl can do so much harm to others, and be admired for it, or
looked at as some kind of hero.
Those who hate the u.s. will always blame them, doesn't matter what the
circumstances are, if there was one u.s. soldier on the ground, then 'aha' ,guess who's to blame.
That's very convenient for many terrorist around the world, just do your dirty
deeds in and around americans, and you're off the hook.

We want the news to stop because we all want to live our cushy little lives, so secure and tucked in to our homes with peace and comfort, and if the media isn't blatting out
the news each day, we can pretend the whole world is happy and living lives like
ours, and hide our heads in the sand.

Not the reality
 

JBeee

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Aside from the handful of kiss-ass nation`s leaders..Canada`s Harper, Britian`s former and present brown-noses, Osama bin Laden is looked upon by the world in general as a hero for kicking the United States in the nuts, and rightly so.

It, the US, deserved to be stood up to and taught a lesson for the terrorism it`s committed (and terrorists its supported) throughout the world over the last 50 odd years.

Karma perhaps?

The only people with their heads buried in the sand have finally had their cowardly ass`s kicked.

9/11 occurred for a dam good reason weather you like it or not. It was inevitable. As far as I`m concerned, they should have flattened New York.

The world would be much better off if there were more heros like bin Laden with the guts to stand up against those greedy domineering American bullys.


It is so easy to blame the u.s. for everything, and think that if they got out of
anyplace they are, the whole world would settle down, and all would be happy
and the world would be at peace.
Those who blame the u.s. for everything, seem to think that everyone else
is a victim and so innocent, not so.
It's amazing to me that usama bin laden is given credibility for his murder of
3 thousand people, as though the u.s. deserved it, along with all the people in the
trade center who were from other countries.
It's amazing how ubl can do so much harm to others, and be admired for it, or
looked at as some kind of hero.
Those who hate the u.s. will always blame them, doesn't matter what the
circumstances are, if there was one u.s. soldier on the ground, then 'aha' ,guess who's to blame.
That's very convenient for many terrorist around the world, just do your dirty
deeds in and around americans, and you're off the hook.

We want the news to stop because we all want to live our cushy little lives, so secure and tucked in to our homes with peace and comfort, and if the media isn't blatting out
the news each day, we can pretend the whole world is happy and living lives like
ours, and hide our heads in the sand.

Not the reality
 

ironsides

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Admittedly the U.S. made a big mistake whey they withdrew their troops from Afghanistan to invade Iraq and getting bogged down there when they had the Al Qaeda and Taliban defeated but not destroyed. Another probably bigger mistake the U.S. made was thinking that the U.N. could keep up the pressure and totally crush Al Qaeda and the Taliban on their own.


 

ironsides

Executive Branch Member
Feb 13, 2009
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United States
It is so easy to blame the u.s. for everything, and think that if they got out of
anyplace they are, the whole world would settle down, and all would be happy
and the world would be at peace.
Those who blame the u.s. for everything, seem to think that everyone else
is a victim and so innocent, not so.
It's amazing to me that usama bin laden is given credibility for his murder of
3 thousand people, as though the u.s. deserved it, along with all the people in the
trade center who were from other countries.
It's amazing how ubl can do so much harm to others, and be admired for it, or
looked at as some kind of hero.
Those who hate the u.s. will always blame them, doesn't matter what the
circumstances are, if there was one u.s. soldier on the ground, then 'aha' ,guess who's to blame.
That's very convenient for many terrorist around the world, just do your dirty
deeds in and around americans, and you're off the hook.

We want the news to stop because we all want to live our cushy little lives, so secure and tucked in to our homes with peace and comfort, and if the media isn't blatting out
the news each day, we can pretend the whole world is happy and living lives like
ours, and hide our heads in the sand.

Not the reality


"We want the news to stop because we all want to live our cushy little lives, so secure and tucked in to our homes with peace and comfort, and if the media isn't blatting out
the news each day, we can pretend the whole world is happy and living lives like
ours, and hide our heads in the sand."



Such a perfect statement.
 

Ron in Regina

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Admittedly the U.S. made a big mistake whey they withdrew their troops from Afghanistan to invade Iraq and getting bogged down there when they had the Al Qaeda and Taliban defeated but not destroyed. Another probably bigger mistake the U.S. made was thinking that the U.N. could keep up the pressure and totally crush Al Qaeda and the Taliban on their own.

 
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talloola

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Aside from the handful of kiss-ass nation`s leaders..Canada`s Harper, Britian`s former and present brown-noses, Osama bin Laden is looked upon by the world in general as a hero for kicking the United States in the nuts, and rightly so.

It, the US, deserved to be stood up to and taught a lesson for the terrorism it`s committed (and terrorists its supported) throughout the world over the last 50 odd years.

Karma perhaps?

The only people with their heads buried in the sand have finally had their cowardly ass`s kicked.

9/11 occurred for a dam good reason weather you like it or not. It was inevitable. As far as I`m concerned, they should have flattened New York.

The world would be much better off if there were more heros like bin Laden with the guts to stand up against those greedy domineering American bullys.

In just two lines you have given credit to a criminal, no different than the mafia, or any biker gang who murders, or drug lord etc., 'heads of state have to deal with
heads of state.' Bin Laden isn't anywhere near the level of any head of state. Your explanation just puts you in the room with all of the
u.s. haters, no matter what the circumstances, and doesn't matter what
crimes were committed by others, and just erased, by the likes of people
like you, and it just doesn't matter that the 3 thousand people who died on 911 in the trades centers, guess they deserved it too, right.
All the countries who have u.s. bases in them, want them there, and if they
didn't, they would tell them to leave.
Saudi Arabian royal family would be annialated if the u.s. military pulled their
base out of there, they are welcome there, and needed there, and I'm sure
they are payed very well for staying there.
When the u.s. assisted the afghans during the soviet invasion, it was obvious
why, any dumb ass can figure that out. The soviet union and the u.s. were in
a cold war situation, that has since changed. The u.s. would have assisted
almost any countries who were being attacked by the soviet union.