Health Care debate turns racist
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I don’t quite understand the extreme nature that the health care debate of the United States of America has taken. It would seem to me that the people of the United States should be discussing the particulars of a health care reform strategy, and what would work for the United States—never mind whether the strategy would be labelled ‘conservative’, or ‘liberal’, or ‘socialist’. If the strategy is one that works, then implement it notwithstanding whatever the labels may be.
I saw a documentary on HBO Canada last night, I think it was called Right America: Feeling Wronged, produced by Ms. Alexandra Pelosi, daughter of The Honorable Representative Nancy Pelosi (8th District of California), the Speaker of the House of Representatives. It highlighted the incredibly overt racial overtones that so many of the political debates in the United States have taken—I was shocked as I watched His Excellency the Honorable Barack Obama, President of the United States, compared to Hitler, and called ‘the anti-Christ’ by people who considered themselves ‘normal’ mainstream Americans.
Let us hope that everyone comes to their senses in the relatively near future!
I don’t quite understand the extreme nature that the health care debate of the United States of America has taken. It would seem to me that the people of the United States should be discussing the particulars of a health care reform strategy, and what would work for the United States—never mind whether the strategy would be labelled ‘conservative’, or ‘liberal’, or ‘socialist’. If the strategy is one that works, then implement it notwithstanding whatever the labels may be.
I saw a documentary on HBO Canada last night, I think it was called Right America: Feeling Wronged, produced by Ms. Alexandra Pelosi, daughter of The Honorable Representative Nancy Pelosi (8th District of California), the Speaker of the House of Representatives. It highlighted the incredibly overt racial overtones that so many of the political debates in the United States have taken—I was shocked as I watched His Excellency the Honorable Barack Obama, President of the United States, compared to Hitler, and called ‘the anti-Christ’ by people who considered themselves ‘normal’ mainstream Americans.
Let us hope that everyone comes to their senses in the relatively near future!
''I don’t quite understand the extreme nature that the health care debate ''
Watch tonight's Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC which fully documents how the hate and attacks are all orchestrated by far right interests who benefit from the lack of health care coverage.
Watch tonight's Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC which fully documents how the hate and attacks are all orchestrated by far right interests who benefit from the lack of health care coverage.
So Barrack Obama & David Scott are Black. Whether or not
President Barrack Obama is a Marxist, or either one of these
guys is Black....what on Earth does that have to do with any
Health Care Reform?
It shouldn't matter what color someone's skin is, or whether or
not Obama eats kittens like Bush did (you do know that Bush
ate kittens, right?)....the guy is the President. Let him do his
thing.
This Swastika thing sounds kind'a hinky to me for some reason.
Like a Magician getting you to watch his left hand and make
sure there's nothing up his sleeve....sort of thing. My Spidey
Senses are going off over this one. Health Care Reform isn't
something I can imaging being a racially charged issue....
President Barrack Obama is a Marxist, or either one of these
guys is Black....what on Earth does that have to do with any
Health Care Reform?
It shouldn't matter what color someone's skin is, or whether or
not Obama eats kittens like Bush did (you do know that Bush
ate kittens, right?)....the guy is the President. Let him do his
thing.
This Swastika thing sounds kind'a hinky to me for some reason.
Like a Magician getting you to watch his left hand and make
sure there's nothing up his sleeve....sort of thing. My Spidey
Senses are going off over this one. Health Care Reform isn't
something I can imaging being a racially charged issue....
COmpared to republicans in the US, Harper is a raving commie. Maybe we should permit bulk water exports as there is obviously something wrong with theirs.
Poor ignored elderly people frustrated and messed with, by all the governmental influence in their Medicare, after all they paid into it all their lives. Anyone ever ask why the goverment shifted trillions of dollars from Social Security and Medicare into other programs. Then have the gall to tell us we are running out of money. Maybe if they just paid us back Social Security and Medicare would be more solvent.
http://perotcharts.com/2008/05/the-growing-national-debt-intragovernmental-holdings-1968-2007/
Social Security and Medicare from a Trust Fund and Budget Perspective: Issue Brief
As for the swastikas popping up, didn't Hitler's Germany dictate to the people also. Big Brother is getting a little involved in our personal lives. Keep in mind, we are or at least were a Republic, maybe the last real one in the world. Now we don't know who we are till the dust settles.
http://perotcharts.com/2008/05/the-growing-national-debt-intragovernmental-holdings-1968-2007/
Social Security and Medicare from a Trust Fund and Budget Perspective: Issue Brief
As for the swastikas popping up, didn't Hitler's Germany dictate to the people also. Big Brother is getting a little involved in our personal lives. Keep in mind, we are or at least were a Republic, maybe the last real one in the world. Now we don't know who we are till the dust settles.
Health care debate has always had undertones of racism, catman, now it is out in the open.
Most of the whites do have health care coverage. The 50 million who do not have insurance mostly comprise of blacks, Hispanic and other minorities. That is one of the reasons why Republicans are opposed to any reform.
Many of their core constituencies converge on this issue. Insurance companies are a big part of the Republican Party. Then there is religious right, who thinks that all the charitable work should be left to churches (forget about health care reform, they want government to get out of Medicare, Medicaid and welfare).
An added bonus to Republicans is that those on the opposing side (i.e., those not having insurance) are predominantly non white, which isn't normal Republican constituency. This gives encouragement to the racist portion of the Republican Party.
So in part the health care debate has always been driven by racism. With this incidence, it is out into the open.
Anyway, I have said it before, if after all this intense passion, hatred, if now Democrats don’t pass some kind of reform, they have only themselves to blame for the disaster that awaits them in November 2010. If now they don’t pass anything, that will be tantamount to capitulating to Hitler’s Brown Shirts (that is what the angry, hate filled, braying mob at the Town Hall meetings remind me of). Voters will lose all respect for the Democrats.
Most of the whites do have health care coverage. The 50 million who do not have insurance mostly comprise of blacks, Hispanic and other minorities. That is one of the reasons why Republicans are opposed to any reform.
Many of their core constituencies converge on this issue. Insurance companies are a big part of the Republican Party. Then there is religious right, who thinks that all the charitable work should be left to churches (forget about health care reform, they want government to get out of Medicare, Medicaid and welfare).
An added bonus to Republicans is that those on the opposing side (i.e., those not having insurance) are predominantly non white, which isn't normal Republican constituency. This gives encouragement to the racist portion of the Republican Party.
So in part the health care debate has always been driven by racism. With this incidence, it is out into the open.
Anyway, I have said it before, if after all this intense passion, hatred, if now Democrats don’t pass some kind of reform, they have only themselves to blame for the disaster that awaits them in November 2010. If now they don’t pass anything, that will be tantamount to capitulating to Hitler’s Brown Shirts (that is what the angry, hate filled, braying mob at the Town Hall meetings remind me of). Voters will lose all respect for the Democrats.
What you keep forgetting to say either as an oversight or just not in your concepts of our medical care is that those on welfare no matter what their ethnic back ground are covered by Medicaid and actually have pretty good healthcare by anyone's standards. Those who do not have healthcare are usually workers who (companies do not pay any healthcare costs) make to much money to get Medicaid and cannot afford private healthcare. They are not minorities by in large, but poor white folk. It is racist to think that Blacks and Hispanics are solely in this category, they are not as commonly stated and thought our poor downtrodden people, not even close to being a majority. Is Obama hated, most definatly, but not so much by Republicans or Democrates, but by the elderly who he forgets put him in office.
Voters already are losing respect for Democrats.
Voters already are losing respect for Democrats.
by the elderly who he forgets put him in office.
Elderly did not put Obama in office, ironsides, elderly voted for McCain by a big margin. Elderly is usually a safe Republican constituency. I understand Obama did better among the elderly that Democrats normally do. However, elderly (65 years of older) still voted for McCain by a substantial margin.
It is the young people who voted for Obama by a big margin.
Elderly did not put Obama in office, ironsides, elderly voted for McCain by a big margin. Elderly is usually a safe Republican constituency. I understand Obama did better among the elderly that Democrats normally do. However, elderly (65 years of older) still voted for McCain by a substantial margin.
It is the young people who voted for Obama by a big margin.
Obama attacks Joe Medicine Crow for not consulting him for New Healthplan.
This is an example of how the Democrats have attacked and are attacking Republicans now. Poor Joe, this looks bad.
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The young people are gone now, and the elderly especially here in Florida were very into Obama.
But Florida was irrelevant to Obama win, ironsides. Obama would have won comfortably even by losing Florida.
It was the young vote that was crucial for his victory. While he increased the proportion of elderly vote a Democrat gets, I am not sure that it was crucial to his victory. And again, more elderly voted for McCain than voted for Obama.
Obama attacks Joe Medicine Crow for not consulting him for New Healthplan.
This is an example of how the Democrats have attacked and are attacking Republicans now. Poor Joe, this looks bad.
Ironsides, is this Joe Medicine Crow character anything like Joe the Plumber?
Obama was very lucky, he and his buddies conned everyone, promised them the world even if it would bankrupt the country. What do they care, there all rich by now. Right now he even has AARP re-thinking their position. When I say the elderly in Florida, they are no different than the elderly in Washington or California. What unites them all is not a political party but their own health and security. I could almost guarantee that if we could get a reliable poll for 65 and older about healthcare and social security, Obama would lose by a large margin.
"Joe Medicine Crow on Wednesday received the Pre s i d e n t i a l Medal o f Freedom at the White House. The award was clasped around his neck by President Barack Obama. “Dr. Medicine Crow’s life reflects not only the warrior spirit of the Crow people, but America’s highest ideals,” Obama said as he introduced him and called him “a good man” in the Crow language."
Crow Chief receives Medal of Freedom
http://www.havredailynews.com/articles/2009/08/13/local_headlines/world.txt
Just showing a example of how stuff we real can be manipulated.
The ultra right wing www.resistnet.com has also claimed credit for the disruptive attacks during the town hall meetings.
We are going to have one of those meetings in a couple of weeks. St Paul is 90 % Democrat and it will interesting to see if the GOP is willing to pay its thugs to disrupt the meeting here.
We are going to have one of those meetings in a couple of weeks. St Paul is 90 % Democrat and it will interesting to see if the GOP is willing to pay its thugs to disrupt the meeting here.
The problem is modern debates are all just hate mongering now. No issues are ever discussed, nothing the other side says, does or concedes to is ever enough regardless of which side you are. All that is important is that you are right and you never admit you are wrong. You may stop talking, but you are never wrong.
Its a really toxic environment that makes it useless to even have dialog.
