Quit picking on Obama……

Quote: Originally Posted by Francis2004

EagleSmack

But aren't FOX polls irrelevant?

Polls of all types are irrelevant unless its an actual Ballot Box poll ( Voting day )..

Anyone who believed that the date was 100% firm on the war mission was way off.. Sorry but no one can predict no changes might occur in a War mission.

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack

I agree, everyone knew Obama was foolish for putting a 2011 pullout date. I also agree that nobody can predict changes in war...not even Obama. He should have thought that through a bit more instead of trying to placate the far left.

Quote: Originally Posted by Francis2004

Perhaps it was a calculated move.. Some work and some backfire..

Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides

Thought the Barack Obama could do no wrong? Best thing for us since frozen dinners. I have trouble believing that out of 300+ million people he and his gang are the best we could come up with.

Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides

Bush, Obama, Pelosi Reid & Lieberman all mistakes down here. We all have the same problem, there must be someone out there who could fix all this and make most of us happy. Would be nice to have a real majority goverment again.

Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides

Thought the Barack Obama could do no wrong? Best thing for us since frozen dinners. I have trouble believing that out of 300+ million people he and his gang are the best we could come up with.

Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides

Bush, Obama, Pelosi Reid & Lieberman all mistakes down here. We all have the same problem, there must be someone out there who could fix all this and make most of us happy. Would be nice to have a real majority goverment again.

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

Well, like it or not, American people thought that was the best they can come up with. And again, you may not like it, but you are stuck with him at least until 2012 (and perhaps even until 2016, in spite of what you evidently seem to think, Republicans are not guaranteed to win the presidency in 2012).

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

There is nobody out there like that, ironsides. The problem is that America is too divided between the right and the left. I don’t think there is a single person who will be able to satisfy a majority of Americans.

I don’t think this is the same America that existed during Reagan or even Clinton years. The political atmosphere has become much more poisonous, more divisive, more bitter in the recent years. Politics in USA these days is highly polarized.

I remember at Clinton’s State of the Union address in 1992, CNN had Rush ‘drug addict’ Limbaugh as the guest to comment on Clinton and his programs. Limbaugh ended the program by saying that he wished Clinton all the best, that he hoped Clinton succeeds (he probably didn’t mean it, but at least he said it).

Contrast that with the vitriolic tirade he unleashed against Obama on the very first day, loudly proclaiming ‘I hope he fails’.

Personally I don’t see any possibility of a politician coming up who can satisfy a majority of the population. I think your country is too divided or that to happen.

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

You are paying too much attention to the noisy minority. I'm sure there are 299 million Americans who don't really give a damn about politics one way or the other. Most people have other fish to fry.

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

Perhaps JLM, but that may indeed be the problem. Since most people are not interested in politics, politics is defined by the noisy minorities, by the extremists, of both right and left.

That may indeed be the reason why politics in USA is so polarized, why something as important as health care reform has to be done in a partisan away. One would think that something as important as health care reform would be done in a bipartisan way, the two parties would sit down, talk things over and come up with something agreeable to both parties. In an ideal world, health care reform would pass the Senate, not 60:40, but 80:20.

And poll after poll show that Americans want some kind of health care reform. However, when one party is adamantly opposed to any kind of reform, even something like health care reform turns into a partisan, political issue.

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

Well, like it or not, American people thought that was the best they can come up with. And again, you may not like it, but you are stuck with him at least until 2012 (and perhaps even until 2016, in spite of what you evidently seem to think, Republicans are not guaranteed to win the presidency in 2012).

Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides

Might as well add this:

IT IS TIME FOR AMENDMENT 28



Amendment 28


Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives, and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States.




"When the people fear their government there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." -- Thomas Jefferson

Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides

Might as well add this:

IT IS TIME FOR AMENDMENT 28



Amendment 28


Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives, and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States.




"When the people fear their government there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." -- Thomas Jefferson

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

It's not really polarized- on election day some of these 299 million do take time to cast a vote, which counts just as much as the radicals' votes. IN most general elections the difference between the two parties is generally within three or four percent which I would hard call polarized.

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

And why wouldn’t you call that polarized, JLM? If an election is very close, to me that is a sign that electorate is polarized. If one candidate wins by a landslide that means that there is consensus in the country, there is not much polarization.

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

And why wouldn’t you call that polarized, JLM? If an election is very close, to me that is a sign that electorate is polarized. If one candidate wins by a landslide that means that there is consensus in the country, there is not much polarization.

Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack

Polarization is the best thing that can happen to a country.

Why? It separates the good fron the bad.

Those to whom everything is in grey, those who can not see the difference, those who make up the rules as they go along, polarization is bad. Figures!!