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April 16th, 2008, 04:37 PM

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The Great McCain Story You've Probably Forgotten



What an old anecdote about Mo Udall in the hospital reveals about McCain's character.


Back in 1996 and 1997, before John McCain was a presidential candidate or object of media fascination, Michael Lewis followed the Arizona senator around as he campaigned for Bob Dole and worked to reform campaign-finance laws. Lewis' pieces for the New Republic and the New York Times Magazine portrayed McCain as a passionate, cantankerous, astonishingly honest political character who frequently acted in ways that brought him no political gain. In the recent back-and-forth over whether McCain is a regular politician or a true outlier, we remembered a wonderful moment from Lewis' 1997 New York Times Magazine profile of McCain, "The Subversive." The passage below comes at the very end of Lewis' article.


By 7:30 we were on the road, and McCain was reminiscing about his early political career. When he was elected to the House in 1982, he said, he was "a freshman right-wing Nazi." But his visceral hostility toward Democrats generally was quickly tempered by his tendency to see people as individuals and judge them that way. He was taken in hand by Morris Udall, the Arizona congressman who was the liberal conscience of the Congress and a leading voice for reform. (Most famously—and disastrously for his own career—Udall took aim at the seniority system that kept young talent in its place at the end of the dais. "The longer you're here, the more you'll like it," he used to joke to incoming freshmen.)
"Mo reached out to me in 50 different ways," McCain recalled. "Right from the start, he'd say: 'I'm going to hold a press conference out in Phoenix. Why don't you join me?' All these journalists would show up to hear what Mo had to say. In the middle of it all, Mo would point to me and say, 'I'd like to hear John's views.' Well, hell, I didn't have any views. But I got up and learned and was introduced to the state." Four years later, when McCain ran for and won Barry Goldwater's Senate seat, he said he felt his greatest debt of gratitude not to Goldwater—who had shunned him—but to Udall. "There's no way Mo could have been more wonderful," he says, "and there was no reason for him to be that way."
For the past few years, Udall has lain ill with Parkinson's disease in a veterans hospital in Northeast Washington, which is where we were heading. Every few weeks, McCain drives over to pay his respects. These days the trip is a ceremony, like going to church, only less pleasant. Udall is seldom conscious, and even then he shows no sign of recognition. McCain brings with him a stack of newspaper clips on Udall's favorite subjects: local politics in Arizona, environmental legislation, Native American land disputes, subjects in which McCain initially had no particular interest himself. Now, when the Republican senator from Arizona takes the floor on behalf of Native Americans, or when he writes an op-ed piece arguing that the Republican Party embrace environmentalism, or when the polls show once again that he is Arizona's most popular politician, he remains aware of his debt to Arizona's most influential Democrat.
One wall of Udall's hospital room was cluttered with photos of his family back in Arizona; another bore a single photograph of Udall during his season with the Denver Nuggets, dribbling a basketball. Aside from a congressional seal glued to a door jamb, there was no indication what the man in the bed had done for his living. Beneath a torn gray blanket on a narrow hospital cot, Udall lay twisted and disfigured. No matter how many times McCain tapped him on the shoulder and called his name, his eyes remained shut.
A nurse entered and seemed surprised to find anyone there, and it wasn't long before I found out why: Almost no one visits anymore. In his time, which was not very long ago, Mo Udall was one of the most-sought-after men in the Democratic Party. Yet as he dies in a veterans hospital a few miles from the Capitol, he is visited regularly only by a single old political friend, John McCain. "He's not going to wake up this time," McCain said.
On the way out of the parking lot, McCain recalled what it was like to be a nobody called upon by a somebody. As he did, his voice acquired the same warmth that colored Russell Feingold's speech when he described the first call from John McCain. "When you called Feingold … " I started to ask him. But before I could, he interrupted. "Yeah," he says, "I thought of Mo." And then, for maybe the third time that morning, McCain spoke of how it affected him when Udall took him in hand. It was a simple act of affection and admiration, and for that reason it meant all the more to McCain. It was one man saying to another, We disagree in politics but not in life. It was one man saying to another, party political differences cut only so deep. Having made that step, they found much to agree upon and many useful ways to work together. This is the reason McCain keeps coming to see Udall even after Udall has lost his last shred of political influence. The politics were never all that important.
Michael Lewis' most recent book is The Blind Side.
Jimmy,
Please explain how this is germane to Canada as a country that somehow was convinced by one Buckaroo to another to have soldiers who's real duty it is to keep the peace, to do an about face and then get killed by friendly fire and be committed until February 2009. Does Bush and your McCain think Canada's being sucked into this mess in someway justifies the action taken? So McCain comes off as a nice man but still a war monger, I guess being a guest in the Hanoi Hilton will do that.

Let common sense and respect for the other prevail.
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April 16th, 2008, 06:12 PM

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That's a readers digest BS tear jerking fable for the terminally sentimentally stupid Jim. How you could possible present this crap as characteristic behavior of a certified psycopath like McInsane speaks poorly of your luck picking friends. Why don't you grow up and act as mature as your IQ. You got burned nay incinerated by Bush your choice remember, this would indicate to me that you should get new political advisors or get out of politics all together. It's just very sad that someone with your gifts wastes them. That said he's a better (slightly) choice than Oblowme or Clinstone.
You, DB, are increasingly irrelevant, and increasingly incoherent.....something I'd hardly thought possible.
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April 16th, 2008, 06:14 PM

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Jimmy,
Please explain how this is germane to Canada as a country that somehow was convinced by one Buckaroo to another to have soldiers who's real duty it is to keep the peace, to do an about face and then get killed by friendly fire and be committed until February 2009. Does Bush and your McCain think Canada's being sucked into this mess in someway justifies the action taken? So McCain comes off as a nice man but still a war monger, I guess being a guest in the Hanoi Hilton will do that.

Let common sense and respect for the other prevail.
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It may not be germaine to Canada, but if you are interested in American politics only to further Canadian interests, you hadbest start praying McCain is the next President......because both of the Dems are NOT Canada-friendly. McCain is.
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April 16th, 2008, 06:45 PM

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April 16th, 2008, 06:48 PM

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You, DB, are increasingly irrelevant, and increasingly incoherent.....something I'd hardly thought possible.
You "hardly thought" that's more than possible, in fact it's very likely that you never think. At least by virtue of increaseing I still have momentum you however are a victim peters principle. Don't feel bad. Darwin explains your problem aptly, you have evolved into a corner.
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April 16th, 2008, 07:27 PM

Quoting darkbeaver
We have dumb questions too, Ill show you sometime or you could thumb through my excellent past posts brimming with dumbness of all kinds. Never apologize for being dumb, I don't, it's my right as a poster here at Triple C.
There is that Triple C again!! Is it still compressed cauliflower content???
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April 16th, 2008, 07:41 PM

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You "hardly thought" that's more than possible, in fact it's very likely that you never think. At least by virtue of increaseing I still have momentum you however are a victim peters principle. Don't feel bad. Darwin explains your problem aptly, you have evolved into a corner.
Fencing with you is just TOO much fun, DB.

Kinda like stabbing a crash test dummy, but still fun.

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April 17th, 2008, 11:09 AM

McCaine will be President for sure. The Dems have done it to themselves once again. They have backed a horse that cannot win. When Obama gets the nod it will become clearly evident.

Hillary may have had a chance...Obama...not a snowballs chance in hell.
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April 17th, 2008, 11:21 AM

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McCaine will be President for sure. The Dems have done it to themselves once again. They have backed a horse that cannot win. When Obama gets the nod it will become clearly evident.

Hillary may have had a chance...Obama...not a snowballs chance in hell.
One can only hope......
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April 17th, 2008, 11:23 AM

If one wants McCain to win they are in favor of another 8 years of misery.
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April 17th, 2008, 12:48 PM

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If one wants McCain to win they are in favor of another 8 years of misery.
I doubt McCain would serve two terms......he is 71 now.

Want misery in Iraq?

Withdraw......then you'll see misery.
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April 17th, 2008, 12:53 PM

Quoting EagleSmack
McCaine will be President for sure. The Dems have done it to themselves once again. They have backed a horse that cannot win. When Obama gets the nod it will become clearly evident.

Hillary may have had a chance...Obama...not a snowballs chance in hell.
How can either of their candidates have a chance after they've bled and eaten off of one another? Rampant cannibalism doesn't make for strong candidates. It makes for a weak, ill party. As much as I tend to have democratic leanings (Canadian right, American left... lol), the way they've gone about this is sickening and disgraceful.
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April 17th, 2008, 01:33 PM

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I doubt McCain would serve two terms......he is 71 now.

Want misery in Iraq?

Withdraw......then you'll see misery.
There was a type of misery in Iraq before u.s. invaded, bush just changed it over to
a more complex type of misery, and many many more deaths than Hussein ever
did, hussein now seems like 'a big mean daddy' compared to bush who is 'a blood thirsty
invader'.

The new democratic president will withdraw from Iraq in conjunction with the military
advice given at that time, at least that is what Obama will do, but the difference to
bush is that, he has an open ended plan in Iraq with no plan to withdraw, and the
americans are dieing every week, and fast forward 5 more years and there will be
7 or 8 thousand dead, and more importantly many thousands more iraqis, and the
reason I say more importantly is that, it is their country, so their lives are more
important than the invaders.
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April 17th, 2008, 01:52 PM

All of those who have replied: Rules--3 Line response-"your own words"
Question: This is as illegal an excuse as Viet Nam was and the outcome will be the same.
Why should we care what the Buckaroos do anyway ? Let's just shut off the power to the eastern third of the `soon to become third world country` and be done with it. No skin off my nose and too much priority is being given to this subject.
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May 16th, 2008, 09:52 PM

I'm no longer fooled by McBush. He is the same mentality in a different ill fitting suit. But then the other two aren't exactly dressed for the ball either, are they?? Choices for the US voters?? There really aren't any this go around.
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May 16th, 2008, 10:02 PM

McLame warns against "hasty" withdrawal??

Five years of war and a withdrawal would be 'hasty' in his sick mind?

Calling Bellevue! Calling Bellevue!!

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May 16th, 2008, 10:13 PM

In my opinion the Republicans are dead wrong about not speaking with Iran and the rest of the so-called terrorist states. Never before in the history of North America has foreign policy been so screwed by any government like what they have accomplished in the last eight years. For crying out loud, the HY Philharmonic accomplished more to ease tensions than Connie Rice. But that looks to be their platform. Just keep on doing what Bush did. And lets not kid oursleves, Bush did what he did because they all come from the same puppet master.

If you want Bush again, vote for McCain. It's that simple.
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May 16th, 2008, 10:56 PM

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In my opinion the Republicans are dead wrong about not speaking with Iran and the rest of the so-called terrorist states. Never before in the history of North America has foreign policy been so screwed by any government like what they have accomplished in the last eight years. For crying out loud, the HY Philharmonic accomplished more to ease tensions than Connie Rice. But that looks to be their platform. Just keep on doing what Bush did. And lets not kid oursleves, Bush did what he did because they all come from the same puppet master.

If you want Bush again, vote for McCain. It's that simple.
I also saw the NY Philharmonic in N. Korea, very impressive, and the n. korean people loved them. They played the star spangled banner, and there was applause, 'nothing
evil about that'. Let the people figure each other out, and get rid of all the 'evil'
leaders, and that includes 'you know who'.
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