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April 10th, 2008, 11:50 AM
lives in an 'illegal' war brought on by lies and inside planning for his own gains.
I don't believe in a conspiracy for 911, but it was definitely advantageous for bush,
as he used it as an excuse to hop from afghanistan over to iraq, where he really
wanted to go in the first place, (he was bored in afghanistan)
Quoting Zzarchov
and bush is bankrupting his own people, as the trillions he has wasted away on war games is coming out of the pockets of the american people,and he is responsible for the deaths of 4000 of his own people who gave their
Earth, you act like the sanctions weren't justified...
He went to war with Iran, attempted to annex Kuwait, fired gas weapons (against the rules of war) at Israel, fought a war with Saudi Arabia and the nothern third of his Iraq became an autonomous region (through self determination and sacrifice) after he attempted genocide upon them, thereby blocking out Turkey and other nations from doing trade anyways.
What exactly do you consider justified responses?
If its not war, its not sanctions. Other than unenforceable words, what do you suggest is an apporpriate response for Genocide, attempting to Annex neighbouring countries and the use of weapons of mass destructions (gas weapons)
He went to war with Iran, attempted to annex Kuwait, fired gas weapons (against the rules of war) at Israel, fought a war with Saudi Arabia and the nothern third of his Iraq became an autonomous region (through self determination and sacrifice) after he attempted genocide upon them, thereby blocking out Turkey and other nations from doing trade anyways.
What exactly do you consider justified responses?
If its not war, its not sanctions. Other than unenforceable words, what do you suggest is an apporpriate response for Genocide, attempting to Annex neighbouring countries and the use of weapons of mass destructions (gas weapons)
lives in an 'illegal' war brought on by lies and inside planning for his own gains.
I don't believe in a conspiracy for 911, but it was definitely advantageous for bush,
as he used it as an excuse to hop from afghanistan over to iraq, where he really
wanted to go in the first place, (he was bored in afghanistan)
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April 10th, 2008, 12:59 PM
So what do you suggest be done about it? Noting that war and sanctions have already been removed from the equation as wrong no matter what.
Side note: He is well within his right to bankrupt his own people, and don't blame him..he was elected (once anyways :P)
So what do you suggest be done about it? Noting that war and sanctions have already been removed from the equation as wrong no matter what.
Side note: He is well within his right to bankrupt his own people, and don't blame him..he was elected (once anyways :P)
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April 10th, 2008, 03:43 PM
But if you believe that Iraq was in violation of international law or UNSC resolutions in March 2003, I'd like to see you make that point.
But you are right. International laws have no value when countries like the US are above those laws. But its up to the Americans to hold their leaders accountable, since no one else can.
Quoting Zzarchov
By 1998, Iraq was in compliance with international law. Nothing has been found in Iraq since 1995 which would could justify continuing economic sanctions against Iraq let alone starting a war.
I think you should be fair and also point out:
If Iraq's leader had to obey international law, the Iraq war would have never happened.
There is no such thing as International Law, because there is no one to enforce it. Laws without enforcement are just words.
If Iraq's leader had to obey international law, the Iraq war would have never happened.
There is no such thing as International Law, because there is no one to enforce it. Laws without enforcement are just words.
But if you believe that Iraq was in violation of international law or UNSC resolutions in March 2003, I'd like to see you make that point.
But you are right. International laws have no value when countries like the US are above those laws. But its up to the Americans to hold their leaders accountable, since no one else can.
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April 10th, 2008, 09:34 PM
You are correct about genocide having no statute of limitations and someday all those who took part in the Iraqi Genocide will face justice or there is none.
Quoting Zzarchov
You selectively apply the word genocide Zzarchov, I could give you some credit if you freely applied the word to Isreali actions of the last sixty years. The occupation of Iraq was unavoidable by any means available to Iraq, that action was predetermined in London and Washington and had nothing to do with alleged Iraqi war crimes and everything to do with oil and regional power.
You mean no one wants to. Plus im pretty sure genocide doesn't have a statute of limitations.
Iraq had to opportunity to split itself from its leaders who commited it pre-invasion (and avoid a war) but refused.
Iraq had to opportunity to split itself from its leaders who commited it pre-invasion (and avoid a war) but refused.
You are correct about genocide having no statute of limitations and someday all those who took part in the Iraqi Genocide will face justice or there is none.
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April 10th, 2008, 10:42 PM
As for why Saddam was toppled, I already said I don't care why, just that it happened. If Im gonna wait for any organization of people to act out of goodness over self-interest I may as well wait for my car to run on unicorn farts and positive thinking rather than buying gas.
Quoting darkbeaver
No, its pretty consistent. If you have proof of Israel dumping Chemical weapons over palestinian towns and bulldozing the corpses into mass graves, please let me know.
You selectively apply the word genocide Zzarchov, I could give you some credit if you freely applied the word to Isreali actions of the last sixty years. The occupation of Iraq was unavoidable by any means available to Iraq, that action was predetermined in London and Washington and had nothing to do with alleged Iraqi war crimes and everything to do with oil and regional power.
You are correct about genocide having no statute of limitations and someday all those who took part in the Iraqi Genocide will face justice or there is none.
You are correct about genocide having no statute of limitations and someday all those who took part in the Iraqi Genocide will face justice or there is none.
As for why Saddam was toppled, I already said I don't care why, just that it happened. If Im gonna wait for any organization of people to act out of goodness over self-interest I may as well wait for my car to run on unicorn farts and positive thinking rather than buying gas.
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April 11th, 2008, 12:01 AM
That was a very important speech by Barack Obama, a speech we can all look back on, and
realize the goodness of this man, the intelligence, the vision, and the strength.
If only he had been president then, all of this insanity and illigalities and unnecessary deaths, from many countries, could have and would have been prevented.
Everyone who spoke at that time, for the 'right' thing, were totally ignored, because
'you know who, and his friends' allready had made their plans, and their plans had no
thought for the american military who, 'in 5 years' would lose 4000 people.
Hopefully in november barack obama will be the president, and he can begin, to slowly
bring the iraq war to a slow enough pace, so that they can begin to come home, and then
he can, and I know he will, endear himself to the rest of the world.
The speech he gave after rev. wright incident, was amazing and wonderful, entirely
written by him, and contained great wisdom and vision for his own country.
That was a very important speech by Barack Obama, a speech we can all look back on, and
realize the goodness of this man, the intelligence, the vision, and the strength.
If only he had been president then, all of this insanity and illigalities and unnecessary deaths, from many countries, could have and would have been prevented.
Everyone who spoke at that time, for the 'right' thing, were totally ignored, because
'you know who, and his friends' allready had made their plans, and their plans had no
thought for the american military who, 'in 5 years' would lose 4000 people.
Hopefully in november barack obama will be the president, and he can begin, to slowly
bring the iraq war to a slow enough pace, so that they can begin to come home, and then
he can, and I know he will, endear himself to the rest of the world.
The speech he gave after rev. wright incident, was amazing and wonderful, entirely
written by him, and contained great wisdom and vision for his own country.
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April 11th, 2008, 05:39 AM
Quoting talloola
His feces doesn't stink either.
That was a very important speech by Barack Obama, a speech we can all look back on, and
realize the goodness of this man, the intelligence, the vision, and the strength.
If only he had been president then, all of this insanity and illigalities and unnecessary deaths, from many countries, could have and would have been prevented.
realize the goodness of this man, the intelligence, the vision, and the strength.
If only he had been president then, all of this insanity and illigalities and unnecessary deaths, from many countries, could have and would have been prevented.
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April 11th, 2008, 05:43 AM
Obama is not going to win. White people just cannot vote for a guy who attends a church that is run by what amounts to be a KKK leader save for the color of his skin. He will not disown Rev Wright who spewed just as much racist garbage as any KKK Grand Dragon. The only difference is that it was against white people...so that isn't so bad...according to the liberal whackos.
He had a chance...now it is gone.
Well one good part about McCaine winning is that it will give peoples lives more meaning here on CC.
Obama is not going to win. White people just cannot vote for a guy who attends a church that is run by what amounts to be a KKK leader save for the color of his skin. He will not disown Rev Wright who spewed just as much racist garbage as any KKK Grand Dragon. The only difference is that it was against white people...so that isn't so bad...according to the liberal whackos.
He had a chance...now it is gone.
Well one good part about McCaine winning is that it will give peoples lives more meaning here on CC.
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April 11th, 2008, 08:54 AM
Nice country you got there.
Quoting EagleSmack
Many white voters can't vote for a black man period.
Obama is not going to win. White people just cannot vote for a guy who attends a church that is run by what amounts to be a KKK leader save for the color of his skin. He will not disown Rev Wright who spewed just as much racist garbage as any KKK Grand Dragon. The only difference is that it was against white people...so that isn't so bad...according to the liberal whackos.
He had a chance...now it is gone.
Well one good part about McCaine winning is that it will give peoples lives more meaning here on CC.
He had a chance...now it is gone.
Well one good part about McCaine winning is that it will give peoples lives more meaning here on CC.
Nice country you got there.
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April 11th, 2008, 09:00 AM
Would you also go steal your neighbor's lawn mower because your grass needs to be cut and you don't have the time to go buy one.
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So let me get this right. You stated you don't care that tens of thousands of innocent people have died and believe that self-interest should over come everything because you want to have gas to put in your car and "don't" have the time to wait for anything else. Hmmmm.....that's quite the philosophy.
As for why Saddam was toppled, I already said I don't care why, just that it happened. If Im gonna wait for any organization of people to act out of goodness over self-interest I may as well wait for my car to run on unicorn farts and positive thinking rather than buying gas.
Would you also go steal your neighbor's lawn mower because your grass needs to be cut and you don't have the time to go buy one.
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April 11th, 2008, 09:04 AM
A war that will cost a trillion dollars, empower Iran who secretly pushed for this war, created millions of refugees, killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, cost the U.S. it's political power on the world stage, killed over 4000 U.S. soldiers and maimed many thousands more, created more terrorists, completely botched and underestimated and raised the threat of terror all to quell a threat that was nonexsistant.
Yep, well worth it to get rid of a guy that had the British mess under control and was no threat to anybody save Iran. Hey, if the Iraqis didn't like the guy they should have gotten rid of him themselves, it's been done before but successful nation building hasn't.
Quoting Zzarchov
No, its pretty consistent. If you have proof of Israel dumping Chemical weapons over palestinian towns and bulldozing the corpses into mass graves, please let me know.
As for why Saddam was toppled, I already said I don't care why, just that it happened. If Im gonna wait for any organization of people to act out of goodness over self-interest I may as well wait for my car to run on unicorn farts and positive thinking rather than buying gas.
As for why Saddam was toppled, I already said I don't care why, just that it happened. If Im gonna wait for any organization of people to act out of goodness over self-interest I may as well wait for my car to run on unicorn farts and positive thinking rather than buying gas.
A war that will cost a trillion dollars, empower Iran who secretly pushed for this war, created millions of refugees, killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, cost the U.S. it's political power on the world stage, killed over 4000 U.S. soldiers and maimed many thousands more, created more terrorists, completely botched and underestimated and raised the threat of terror all to quell a threat that was nonexsistant.
Yep, well worth it to get rid of a guy that had the British mess under control and was no threat to anybody save Iran. Hey, if the Iraqis didn't like the guy they should have gotten rid of him themselves, it's been done before but successful nation building hasn't.
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April 11th, 2008, 09:10 AM
Quote:
Well done.
A war that will cost a trillion dollars, empower Iran who secretly pushed for this war, created millions of refugees, killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, cost the U.S. it's political power on the world stage, killed over 4000 U.S. soldiers and maimed many thousands more, created more terrorists, completely botched and underestimated and raised the threat of terror all to quell a threat that was nonexsistant.
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April 11th, 2008, 09:52 AM
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/in...d=1#post942831
Quoting Zzarchov
Rather than stray off topic, I'll post a response to that here:
No, its pretty consistent. If you have proof of Israel dumping Chemical weapons over palestinian towns and bulldozing the corpses into mass graves, please let me know.
As for why Saddam was toppled, I already said I don't care why, just that it happened. If Im gonna wait for any organization of people to act out of goodness over self-interest I may as well wait for my car to run on unicorn farts and positive thinking rather than buying gas.
As for why Saddam was toppled, I already said I don't care why, just that it happened. If Im gonna wait for any organization of people to act out of goodness over self-interest I may as well wait for my car to run on unicorn farts and positive thinking rather than buying gas.
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